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I certainly don't feel qualified, but surely KISS are the canonical arena rock band? 09:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
"In the 1980s, the best-known arena for concerts was Wembley Stadium, although many arena rock bands had relatively limited success in the United Kingdom."
somehow i doubt this was true in the u.s.
Benwing 03:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Arena Rock is also a recording company. http://www.arenarockrecordingco.com/
Kflorence 07:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Need I say more? Tommy Lee
AKA "This article doesn't cite its sources" :P No, I'm really curious, because... I grew up in that time (70s/80s), and I don't really recall it being called that back then -- jae 21:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
"Arena rock is not a style of rock music,[citation needed] often also called stadium rock." What is this supposed to mean? Is the "not" just there in error, or is the claim that arena rock isn't a style per se, rather a group of bands from other styles and that grouping is also sometimes called "stadium rock"? Avraham 01:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it was vandalism. I reverted it. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 19:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
"it is...in need of a re-do." Yeah, Im gonna work on a rewrite.
"It starts out correct... arena rock isn't a genre..." But thats an opinion that was stated at the beginning. Opinions arent allowed to be inserted into an article unless its appropriate (like a quote or something). In this case, it isnt appropriate.
"Wikipedia makes an extremely poor distinction between genre and style." What you call a "style", we call a " subgenre".
But please, keep WP:OR in mind when inserting the part about it being a genre. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 01:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
All right. Its OK now, as I finished my rewrite of it. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 02:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
"Classic rock isn't a genre" If classic rock is not a genre, then why does it even have an article?
"You paraphrased a single source.." I didnt paraphrase, I quoted a few sources. The quotes are cited; they arent paraphrased. And please, read the reflist before you make stupid claims about me using one source when I used three or four different sources.
"It went from bad... to shorter and still bad." Well, actually, It went from bad to decent.
"(you) took a long article of original research and made it into a short article of dubious original research and blatantly incorrect information." Actually, I took a POV, bad-toned, unsourced article and turned into a semi-acceptable article that is NPOV and sourced. Thats what I did.
If you like the old article better, I really cant understand your POV. So explain.And anyway, I believe youre the guy who put a blatant opinion into the article. So I wouldnt be talking if I were you. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 19:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah. Sorry about the incivility. I just get riled up easily on Wikipedia. Anyway, I deleted the uncivil comment I wrote.
"When a cite can't be found, consensus is the next best thing." OK, made a post on the talk page talking about how the consensus rules conflicts with WP:OR - read more on that talk page.
"The article was in bad shape. And it's still in bad shape.. plain and simple." You know, you should probably rewrite it. Im sure youll make it better than this piece of crap. Who knows? Maybe you can make this article a FA, too, like you did those other dozens of articles. Thats not a challenge, BTW. Thats saying "Please make it better if its so bad." Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 19:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC) P.S. Does AllMusic Guide count as "reliable"? Ive seen it used in a featured article, but most editors are telling me otherwise.
Actually, I remember there was an older version of this article, and it was really good. Then someone rewrote it (badly), and then I rewrote it again (badly, again). So maybe a revert to that older version is the best option? Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 20:13, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
This seems to imply that Arena (or Power) Rock is dead. What about all the bands writing and performing Power rock in the 21st century? User:DavidSumter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.152.162 ( talk) 18:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
OK. WTF?????
"After the tragic disasters during Woodstock (not enough sanitation, medical care, security etc.), these large, open air concerts were frowned upon. Few rock artists had a chance to secure a place to play to the thousands of fans that were ready to spend every last dime they had just get a glimpse of their favorite Bands. In the early 70's English bands, such as Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Black Sabbath, Cream, Deep Purple, had a difficult time securing enough seating for the thousands of fans that wanted to see the concert. Most convention centres had limited bench type seating, not to mention poor security. But a enclosed area that was large enough for a sporting event was ideal; plus noise levels were incredibly high at those events who would be bothered. Thus was born the Arena Rock Era. The Artists themselves loved the idea: no more long stays in nowhere towns or multiple dates in the same city, but thousands of rock hungry fans crammed into a safe baseball or football stadium. Plus, lets not forget the monies, 50,000 seats plus standing room only at $12.00-$25.00 a head. This was a promoters dream."
I bolded the really bad parts. I think this needs a prety big rewrite. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 19:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
All right. Its OK now, as I finished my rewrite of it. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 02:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
See above. Anyway, if you read the whole article, it is extremely biased against arena rock, with unsourced shots and negative statements with little positives about it. Thats called POV. Ill fix it up later. But if somebody could help, it'd be well appreciated. And I might rewrite it, anyway. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 19:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
All right. Its OK now, as I finished my rewrite of it. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 02:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
All right. I actually asked one of the anonymos users to rewrite it. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 19:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Are the sources formatted correctly? Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 21:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Whoever wrote this article overdid it with the footnotes after every sentence. Half could probably go since they are all from the same source. -- THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 12:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I found this source [1], which is about an episode that dealt exclusively with stadium rock (or arena rock as the article calls it). It gives some other bands that went under this label that the article doesn't already have (such as Springsteen, who I've always thought was one too). It also names Led Zeppelin as part of arena rock, yet the current article says they just inspired it really. Another fact contrary to what the article says is that it mentions "through events such as Live Aid and the rise of MTV, rock achieved a global influence on culture and politics", yet the article says that "By the time MTV had formed, "it no longer bore any relevance"". Anyway, how can it have beared no relevance when MTV formed and yet say, "Eventually, arena rock would lose its popularity to alternative rock and grunge"? MTV was formed 10 years before the popularity of grunge, so that part of the article makes no sense. However, the BBC source provides a citation for calling it "not a genre", as I think the source as it stands only says that implicitly. Furthermore, it mentions stuff like Live Aid, and briefly mentions its "global influence on culture and politics," which we could find other sources to expand on. Finally, it has some nice description of arena rock, which could be utilized too. What do people think of this source and the issues raised? Deamon138 ( talk) 21:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Petchboo, I did not "fuck up the article with so many references". I haven't added any. Nor is there too many. Why would you want to remove the references? Btw, remember to sign your posts with 4 tildes likes this "~~~~" Deamon138 ( talk) 21:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Corporate rock redirects here now, thus stating corporate rock = arena rock. Opinions? RCHM ( talk) 00:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I am the one who originally re-directed the article. It had been tagged a long time for being poorly written original research. And most of the content wording was just rehashing of content that appeared in this article. The content of any merit that is. And that was little to none. If some of the corporate rock content was salvageable it could be added as a section to this article. Re-directing both to the main Rock article, I feel, is a bit strong. Not tot try and support this article. But I feel the Rock music page itself is in such need of work that if the content from this page were merged into the Rock page it would just push that page beyond repair. I got a great laugh from the "polished turd" comment earlier. If we were to merge this article into the Rock page I guess we would just be spreading the manure on a different garden. Anger22 ( Talk 2 22) 23:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I promoted this article to C Class as I believe it is no longer a stub. It has high quality, well sourced information. I am open to discussion regarding the change. Washburnmav ( talk) 16:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey- it looks like I'm late to this party, but I would dispute the redirect of Corporate rock -> Arena rock. Corporate rock is commercially motivated rock, while arena rock is only one type of this (and an older one at that). So I'm switching the redirect to Selling out, I think that's a bit more appropriate. MakeBelieveMonster ( talk) 03:18, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Arena rock's origins can be traced to the late 1960s, with bands such as The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin and The Who.
as much as i respect those other bands, it was the beatles, and none of the other bands who pioneered stadium rock with their concert at the shea stadium on Sunday, August 15, 1965.
at that time Led Zeppelin wasn't even formed.
so please, give credit where credit is deserved, the beatles were the first, and without them taking the risk of a disaster it wouldn't have happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.175.179 ( talk) 21:58, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Because, there is also the definition of adult-oriented rock. So the term is as ambiguous as PC (political correctness and personal computer), though both do represent the rock genre. -andy 77.7.12.37 ( talk) 03:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Incredible article, how can any article about Stadium Rock not even mention U2 or Bruce Springsteen?
U2 redefined Stadium Rock with their Zoo TV Show/ Outside Broadcast Tour in 1992-93, and U2 and Bruce Springsteen dominated the genre from the late 1980's and into the millenium and beyond.
It seems to me that the article is actually written by someone who dislikes Stadium Rock, never mind actually knowing much about it or doing any in depth research.
Glam rock really had it's rise and fall during the 1970's
The Police and Queen took up the mantle in the 1980's and U2 followed them, adding and recreating it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.219.188.89 ( talk) 11:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/neilmccormick/100002560/u2-secrets-of-stadium-rock/
http://blog.playnetwork.com/2011/07/22/the-arena-rock-concert-evolution-is-u2%E2%80%99s-360-tour-the-best-a-stadium-show-can-ever-be-2/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.219.210.115 ( talk) 10:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello. As you may have noticed I am an unregistered user. Thing is, whenever I come to this site to read about any possible subject, my sense of civic awareness also makes me feel obliged to correct whatever I know to be wrong and nonsensical. I saw that Sabrebd recently reverted back the edits I made to the "Arena Rock" arcticle, citing the fact that they were not sourced. Well, I know that, being this site an encyclopedia, everything appearing on its pages should be linked with proofs, but:
1) the edits I made were mostly just a matter of expressing the very same concepts with different words and a slightly improved writing style. At least I hope so, since English is not my native language. But I am pretty confident about this point.
2) the other edits I made actually corrected a couple of completely false and absurd statements that now still appear on this arcticle.
Never in this world have W.A.S.P., Quiet Riot and Ratt been Arena Rock bands. Never. I don't know who was the guy who included them in the list, but he was damn wrong for sure. If you listened to their music you would know it too. The arena rock sound, as this same arcticle and all of the sources claim, is a commercially oriented brand of hard sounding rock music. These bands are everything but commercially oriented. They have never been famous, nor radio friendly at all. The exact opposite.
On the other hand, bands such as Poison, Bon Jovi, Van Halen and Guns N' Roses, that I included in this arcticle before my changes were reverted, are not only much more easy-listening (and so much more Arena sounding), but they are also like a million times more renowned and worldwide commercially successful. Those ARE real Arena Rock bands.
So, I don't know why these changes were reverted. The fact that I didn't insert any source is not a valid excuse, since the content I wrote was more than just perfectly fitting. See ya.
What a surprise to be directed to Arena rock when I searched for corporate rock. They are vastly different.
Here are the problems as I see them:
1. Arena/Stadium rock concerns the giant concerts (which when it kicked off were mainly in the US with very few in Europe - which is why it is generally associated with the United States which already had the giant stadia). It's not really a genre of music, but a size and style of concert.
Performances became more spectacular (and longer) often with special effects/props and stories. Bands became increasingly divorced from their audiences. Lots of bands contributed to Arena rock especially in the beginning Led Zep, then later Floyd, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Kiss and Queen ... and more of course. The increasing gulf between band and audience of Arena rock was one of the later influences on Roger Waters and a partial inspiration for The Wall.
2. I have no idea what Anthem rock is. It sounds like a US radio term from the late 1970s to be honest.
3. Corporate rock refers to the take over of the music industry by corporate accountancy, the "bottom line" and production for profit ignoring the artistic merits of artists. Oddly Pink Floyd had something to say about this as well on Wish you were here when they sang Welcome to the Machine. In the US this was characterised by bland, non-threatening and non-challenging bands such as REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, and Journey. The purpose was simply to generate MOR rock hits to create money. see Urban Dictionary
Kiss wouldn't fit into corporate rock as although they had merchandise and lots of tie-ins (Gene Simmons was commercially smart) they didn't produce the insipid music of corporate rock and they also had control of their own music.
I believe that this page should be split into two different pages. Arena/Stadium rock and Corporate rock. Of these, I would suggest that only corporate rock is a genre.
Let me know what you think please,
Any reason Boston isn't listed as an example of arena rock? They're really one of the pioneers of this style of rock. The link to Allmusic.com that cites Foreigner, Styx, REO Speedwagon, and Journey already mentions them. Also, what about the possibility of adding other artists that defined the classic arena rock sound, like Loverboy, Pat Benatar, Kansas ('80s output), Chicago ('80s output), ZZ Top ('80s output), Cheap Trick, Eddie Money, 38 Special, Heart ('80s output), Night Ranger, Bryan Adams, Billy Squier, Toto, Survivor, Asia, and Jefferson Starship/Starship to the article? Or would that be overkill? They're all considered arena rock by Allmusic.com (except for Bryan Adams, Chicago, and Toto, the former not even being on the website). BDR77777 ( talk) 22:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC)BDR77777
See discussion here. Johnny338 ( talk) 17:14, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
WP:CITEVAR clearly states that "editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change. If the article you are editing is already using a particular citation style, you should follow it; if you believe it is inappropriate for the needs of the article, seek consensus for a change on the talk page." If you want to improve the article then please work round that and don't sneak a change of system in without getting consensus here first.-- SabreBD ( talk) 18:53, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I believe that the article current qualifies as a C-class page. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 09:13, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
The concept of The Wall (album) by Pink Floyd evolved from an incident at an arena rock concert held at Olympic Stadium (Montreal).
Might be relevant to mention within the context of Arena Rock from the In the Flesh (Pink Floyd tour) after Animals (Pink Floyd album) An incident occurred and which evolved into conceptual ideas for an album developing for some time in relation to groups isolation from fans during large arena rock concerts in the late 1970's and may therefore be of reference to the section Critical Perspectives to arena rock events.
— Preceding un signed comment added by 81.147.130.240 ( talk) 05:53, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Is it just me, or does this article seem to be using two different definitions of the term "arena rock?" It seems like there's an arena rock style and an arena rock genre. Anyway, the definitions seem to be:
Definition #1: Any rock music played in an arena or meant to be played in an arena. This article talks about '60s artists like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones (as well as Grand Funk Railroad), as well as '80s hair bands like Def Leppard and Poison. What's the common thread here? Is it that they play rock music in large venues? "Arena rock" is, of course, not a genre by this definition.
Definition #2: A specific genre of rock music (also known as album-oriented rock [AOR] or corporate rock) that's slick, highly polished, radio-ready, often (but not always) features noticeable keyboards, specializes in both hard rock anthems and soft rock power ballads, and largely began in the mid-'70s (as described in this article's introduction). I suppose the unofficial "Big Five" of this genre could be REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, Journey, Styx, and Boston, with other notable artists in this genre being Kansas ('80s output), Chicago ('80s and early '90s output), Cheap Trick, ZZ Top ('80s and early '90s output), Night Ranger, Heart ('80s and early '90s output), Eddie Money, etc., etc., etc (I can provide more examples if requested). These artists seem to belong to a genre by themselves. Listen to their style of rock and compare with it that from other rock artists not listed here. Arena rock/AOR/corporate rock, by this definition, really has a distinct sound of its own.
I don't really have any references/sources to back up anything I've just said, it's mainly just my observations. Maybe I just read the article wrong... BDR77777 ( talk) 20:59, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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I certainly don't feel qualified, but surely KISS are the canonical arena rock band? 09:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
"In the 1980s, the best-known arena for concerts was Wembley Stadium, although many arena rock bands had relatively limited success in the United Kingdom."
somehow i doubt this was true in the u.s.
Benwing 03:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Arena Rock is also a recording company. http://www.arenarockrecordingco.com/
Kflorence 07:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Need I say more? Tommy Lee
AKA "This article doesn't cite its sources" :P No, I'm really curious, because... I grew up in that time (70s/80s), and I don't really recall it being called that back then -- jae 21:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
"Arena rock is not a style of rock music,[citation needed] often also called stadium rock." What is this supposed to mean? Is the "not" just there in error, or is the claim that arena rock isn't a style per se, rather a group of bands from other styles and that grouping is also sometimes called "stadium rock"? Avraham 01:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it was vandalism. I reverted it. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 19:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
"it is...in need of a re-do." Yeah, Im gonna work on a rewrite.
"It starts out correct... arena rock isn't a genre..." But thats an opinion that was stated at the beginning. Opinions arent allowed to be inserted into an article unless its appropriate (like a quote or something). In this case, it isnt appropriate.
"Wikipedia makes an extremely poor distinction between genre and style." What you call a "style", we call a " subgenre".
But please, keep WP:OR in mind when inserting the part about it being a genre. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 01:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
All right. Its OK now, as I finished my rewrite of it. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 02:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
"Classic rock isn't a genre" If classic rock is not a genre, then why does it even have an article?
"You paraphrased a single source.." I didnt paraphrase, I quoted a few sources. The quotes are cited; they arent paraphrased. And please, read the reflist before you make stupid claims about me using one source when I used three or four different sources.
"It went from bad... to shorter and still bad." Well, actually, It went from bad to decent.
"(you) took a long article of original research and made it into a short article of dubious original research and blatantly incorrect information." Actually, I took a POV, bad-toned, unsourced article and turned into a semi-acceptable article that is NPOV and sourced. Thats what I did.
If you like the old article better, I really cant understand your POV. So explain.And anyway, I believe youre the guy who put a blatant opinion into the article. So I wouldnt be talking if I were you. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 19:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah. Sorry about the incivility. I just get riled up easily on Wikipedia. Anyway, I deleted the uncivil comment I wrote.
"When a cite can't be found, consensus is the next best thing." OK, made a post on the talk page talking about how the consensus rules conflicts with WP:OR - read more on that talk page.
"The article was in bad shape. And it's still in bad shape.. plain and simple." You know, you should probably rewrite it. Im sure youll make it better than this piece of crap. Who knows? Maybe you can make this article a FA, too, like you did those other dozens of articles. Thats not a challenge, BTW. Thats saying "Please make it better if its so bad." Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 19:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC) P.S. Does AllMusic Guide count as "reliable"? Ive seen it used in a featured article, but most editors are telling me otherwise.
Actually, I remember there was an older version of this article, and it was really good. Then someone rewrote it (badly), and then I rewrote it again (badly, again). So maybe a revert to that older version is the best option? Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 20:13, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
This seems to imply that Arena (or Power) Rock is dead. What about all the bands writing and performing Power rock in the 21st century? User:DavidSumter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.152.162 ( talk) 18:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
OK. WTF?????
"After the tragic disasters during Woodstock (not enough sanitation, medical care, security etc.), these large, open air concerts were frowned upon. Few rock artists had a chance to secure a place to play to the thousands of fans that were ready to spend every last dime they had just get a glimpse of their favorite Bands. In the early 70's English bands, such as Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Black Sabbath, Cream, Deep Purple, had a difficult time securing enough seating for the thousands of fans that wanted to see the concert. Most convention centres had limited bench type seating, not to mention poor security. But a enclosed area that was large enough for a sporting event was ideal; plus noise levels were incredibly high at those events who would be bothered. Thus was born the Arena Rock Era. The Artists themselves loved the idea: no more long stays in nowhere towns or multiple dates in the same city, but thousands of rock hungry fans crammed into a safe baseball or football stadium. Plus, lets not forget the monies, 50,000 seats plus standing room only at $12.00-$25.00 a head. This was a promoters dream."
I bolded the really bad parts. I think this needs a prety big rewrite. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 19:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
All right. Its OK now, as I finished my rewrite of it. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 02:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
See above. Anyway, if you read the whole article, it is extremely biased against arena rock, with unsourced shots and negative statements with little positives about it. Thats called POV. Ill fix it up later. But if somebody could help, it'd be well appreciated. And I might rewrite it, anyway. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 19:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
All right. Its OK now, as I finished my rewrite of it. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 02:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
All right. I actually asked one of the anonymos users to rewrite it. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 19:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Are the sources formatted correctly? Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 21:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Whoever wrote this article overdid it with the footnotes after every sentence. Half could probably go since they are all from the same source. -- THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 12:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I found this source [1], which is about an episode that dealt exclusively with stadium rock (or arena rock as the article calls it). It gives some other bands that went under this label that the article doesn't already have (such as Springsteen, who I've always thought was one too). It also names Led Zeppelin as part of arena rock, yet the current article says they just inspired it really. Another fact contrary to what the article says is that it mentions "through events such as Live Aid and the rise of MTV, rock achieved a global influence on culture and politics", yet the article says that "By the time MTV had formed, "it no longer bore any relevance"". Anyway, how can it have beared no relevance when MTV formed and yet say, "Eventually, arena rock would lose its popularity to alternative rock and grunge"? MTV was formed 10 years before the popularity of grunge, so that part of the article makes no sense. However, the BBC source provides a citation for calling it "not a genre", as I think the source as it stands only says that implicitly. Furthermore, it mentions stuff like Live Aid, and briefly mentions its "global influence on culture and politics," which we could find other sources to expand on. Finally, it has some nice description of arena rock, which could be utilized too. What do people think of this source and the issues raised? Deamon138 ( talk) 21:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Petchboo, I did not "fuck up the article with so many references". I haven't added any. Nor is there too many. Why would you want to remove the references? Btw, remember to sign your posts with 4 tildes likes this "~~~~" Deamon138 ( talk) 21:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Corporate rock redirects here now, thus stating corporate rock = arena rock. Opinions? RCHM ( talk) 00:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I am the one who originally re-directed the article. It had been tagged a long time for being poorly written original research. And most of the content wording was just rehashing of content that appeared in this article. The content of any merit that is. And that was little to none. If some of the corporate rock content was salvageable it could be added as a section to this article. Re-directing both to the main Rock article, I feel, is a bit strong. Not tot try and support this article. But I feel the Rock music page itself is in such need of work that if the content from this page were merged into the Rock page it would just push that page beyond repair. I got a great laugh from the "polished turd" comment earlier. If we were to merge this article into the Rock page I guess we would just be spreading the manure on a different garden. Anger22 ( Talk 2 22) 23:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I promoted this article to C Class as I believe it is no longer a stub. It has high quality, well sourced information. I am open to discussion regarding the change. Washburnmav ( talk) 16:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey- it looks like I'm late to this party, but I would dispute the redirect of Corporate rock -> Arena rock. Corporate rock is commercially motivated rock, while arena rock is only one type of this (and an older one at that). So I'm switching the redirect to Selling out, I think that's a bit more appropriate. MakeBelieveMonster ( talk) 03:18, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Arena rock's origins can be traced to the late 1960s, with bands such as The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin and The Who.
as much as i respect those other bands, it was the beatles, and none of the other bands who pioneered stadium rock with their concert at the shea stadium on Sunday, August 15, 1965.
at that time Led Zeppelin wasn't even formed.
so please, give credit where credit is deserved, the beatles were the first, and without them taking the risk of a disaster it wouldn't have happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.175.179 ( talk) 21:58, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Because, there is also the definition of adult-oriented rock. So the term is as ambiguous as PC (political correctness and personal computer), though both do represent the rock genre. -andy 77.7.12.37 ( talk) 03:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Incredible article, how can any article about Stadium Rock not even mention U2 or Bruce Springsteen?
U2 redefined Stadium Rock with their Zoo TV Show/ Outside Broadcast Tour in 1992-93, and U2 and Bruce Springsteen dominated the genre from the late 1980's and into the millenium and beyond.
It seems to me that the article is actually written by someone who dislikes Stadium Rock, never mind actually knowing much about it or doing any in depth research.
Glam rock really had it's rise and fall during the 1970's
The Police and Queen took up the mantle in the 1980's and U2 followed them, adding and recreating it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.219.188.89 ( talk) 11:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/neilmccormick/100002560/u2-secrets-of-stadium-rock/
http://blog.playnetwork.com/2011/07/22/the-arena-rock-concert-evolution-is-u2%E2%80%99s-360-tour-the-best-a-stadium-show-can-ever-be-2/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.219.210.115 ( talk) 10:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello. As you may have noticed I am an unregistered user. Thing is, whenever I come to this site to read about any possible subject, my sense of civic awareness also makes me feel obliged to correct whatever I know to be wrong and nonsensical. I saw that Sabrebd recently reverted back the edits I made to the "Arena Rock" arcticle, citing the fact that they were not sourced. Well, I know that, being this site an encyclopedia, everything appearing on its pages should be linked with proofs, but:
1) the edits I made were mostly just a matter of expressing the very same concepts with different words and a slightly improved writing style. At least I hope so, since English is not my native language. But I am pretty confident about this point.
2) the other edits I made actually corrected a couple of completely false and absurd statements that now still appear on this arcticle.
Never in this world have W.A.S.P., Quiet Riot and Ratt been Arena Rock bands. Never. I don't know who was the guy who included them in the list, but he was damn wrong for sure. If you listened to their music you would know it too. The arena rock sound, as this same arcticle and all of the sources claim, is a commercially oriented brand of hard sounding rock music. These bands are everything but commercially oriented. They have never been famous, nor radio friendly at all. The exact opposite.
On the other hand, bands such as Poison, Bon Jovi, Van Halen and Guns N' Roses, that I included in this arcticle before my changes were reverted, are not only much more easy-listening (and so much more Arena sounding), but they are also like a million times more renowned and worldwide commercially successful. Those ARE real Arena Rock bands.
So, I don't know why these changes were reverted. The fact that I didn't insert any source is not a valid excuse, since the content I wrote was more than just perfectly fitting. See ya.
What a surprise to be directed to Arena rock when I searched for corporate rock. They are vastly different.
Here are the problems as I see them:
1. Arena/Stadium rock concerns the giant concerts (which when it kicked off were mainly in the US with very few in Europe - which is why it is generally associated with the United States which already had the giant stadia). It's not really a genre of music, but a size and style of concert.
Performances became more spectacular (and longer) often with special effects/props and stories. Bands became increasingly divorced from their audiences. Lots of bands contributed to Arena rock especially in the beginning Led Zep, then later Floyd, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Kiss and Queen ... and more of course. The increasing gulf between band and audience of Arena rock was one of the later influences on Roger Waters and a partial inspiration for The Wall.
2. I have no idea what Anthem rock is. It sounds like a US radio term from the late 1970s to be honest.
3. Corporate rock refers to the take over of the music industry by corporate accountancy, the "bottom line" and production for profit ignoring the artistic merits of artists. Oddly Pink Floyd had something to say about this as well on Wish you were here when they sang Welcome to the Machine. In the US this was characterised by bland, non-threatening and non-challenging bands such as REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, and Journey. The purpose was simply to generate MOR rock hits to create money. see Urban Dictionary
Kiss wouldn't fit into corporate rock as although they had merchandise and lots of tie-ins (Gene Simmons was commercially smart) they didn't produce the insipid music of corporate rock and they also had control of their own music.
I believe that this page should be split into two different pages. Arena/Stadium rock and Corporate rock. Of these, I would suggest that only corporate rock is a genre.
Let me know what you think please,
Any reason Boston isn't listed as an example of arena rock? They're really one of the pioneers of this style of rock. The link to Allmusic.com that cites Foreigner, Styx, REO Speedwagon, and Journey already mentions them. Also, what about the possibility of adding other artists that defined the classic arena rock sound, like Loverboy, Pat Benatar, Kansas ('80s output), Chicago ('80s output), ZZ Top ('80s output), Cheap Trick, Eddie Money, 38 Special, Heart ('80s output), Night Ranger, Bryan Adams, Billy Squier, Toto, Survivor, Asia, and Jefferson Starship/Starship to the article? Or would that be overkill? They're all considered arena rock by Allmusic.com (except for Bryan Adams, Chicago, and Toto, the former not even being on the website). BDR77777 ( talk) 22:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC)BDR77777
See discussion here. Johnny338 ( talk) 17:14, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
WP:CITEVAR clearly states that "editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change. If the article you are editing is already using a particular citation style, you should follow it; if you believe it is inappropriate for the needs of the article, seek consensus for a change on the talk page." If you want to improve the article then please work round that and don't sneak a change of system in without getting consensus here first.-- SabreBD ( talk) 18:53, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I believe that the article current qualifies as a C-class page. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 09:13, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
The concept of The Wall (album) by Pink Floyd evolved from an incident at an arena rock concert held at Olympic Stadium (Montreal).
Might be relevant to mention within the context of Arena Rock from the In the Flesh (Pink Floyd tour) after Animals (Pink Floyd album) An incident occurred and which evolved into conceptual ideas for an album developing for some time in relation to groups isolation from fans during large arena rock concerts in the late 1970's and may therefore be of reference to the section Critical Perspectives to arena rock events.
— Preceding un signed comment added by 81.147.130.240 ( talk) 05:53, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Is it just me, or does this article seem to be using two different definitions of the term "arena rock?" It seems like there's an arena rock style and an arena rock genre. Anyway, the definitions seem to be:
Definition #1: Any rock music played in an arena or meant to be played in an arena. This article talks about '60s artists like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones (as well as Grand Funk Railroad), as well as '80s hair bands like Def Leppard and Poison. What's the common thread here? Is it that they play rock music in large venues? "Arena rock" is, of course, not a genre by this definition.
Definition #2: A specific genre of rock music (also known as album-oriented rock [AOR] or corporate rock) that's slick, highly polished, radio-ready, often (but not always) features noticeable keyboards, specializes in both hard rock anthems and soft rock power ballads, and largely began in the mid-'70s (as described in this article's introduction). I suppose the unofficial "Big Five" of this genre could be REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, Journey, Styx, and Boston, with other notable artists in this genre being Kansas ('80s output), Chicago ('80s and early '90s output), Cheap Trick, ZZ Top ('80s and early '90s output), Night Ranger, Heart ('80s and early '90s output), Eddie Money, etc., etc., etc (I can provide more examples if requested). These artists seem to belong to a genre by themselves. Listen to their style of rock and compare with it that from other rock artists not listed here. Arena rock/AOR/corporate rock, by this definition, really has a distinct sound of its own.
I don't really have any references/sources to back up anything I've just said, it's mainly just my observations. Maybe I just read the article wrong... BDR77777 ( talk) 20:59, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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This article is a non-encyclopedic train wreck.... PurpleChez ( talk) 14:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
This entire wiki is opinion 173.191.170.57 ( talk) 01:28, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
The redirect
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