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Yes, I agree that should be the case. Every archduke and archduchess of a different line (Tuscany, Modena, etc) should follow that form.
Charles18:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Makes sense to me. Sometimes it seems that there are soooo many "X of Austria", and most times, they could be further categorizes at "of Teschen", "of Tuscany" or "of Modena". You've got my vote.
Prsgoddess18723:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)reply
I disagree. This is a totally different situation from Tuscany and Modena which were both reigning families. The Library of Congress name authority for him (based on usage) is "Albrecht, Archduke of Austria, 1817-1895". There are at least six German-language biographies of him. In not a single title is there any mention of duke of Teschen. The current page name conforms with English usage.
Noel S McFerran07:59, 24 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Let me try to make this clearer. Archduke Albrecht was Duke of Teschen, but he was never called Duke of Teschen. He was always referred to as the Archduke Albrecht. Duke of Teschen was a title he held, but not the title generally used for him. In an encyclopedia we gather what scholarship has already been written; we don't create totally new things. Since he wasn't called Duke of Teschen, we shouldn't call him Duke of Teschen (although we should cite in the article that he held this title). By the way, the German Wikipedia
article never calls him "Duke of Österreich-Teschen" as Gryffindor says above; in fact the article never mentions at all that he was Duke of Teschen (although it does say that he owned the estate at Teschen).
Noel S McFerran02:49, 26 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Oops, I meant to say, yes, Albert was the Duke of Teschen. Frederick had been as well. Whether or not he "used" the title or not is sort of irrelevant because it's sole purpose is to distinguish from other Alberts. Birth and death dates do that as well, but all of that can be replaced with Duke of Teschen, distinguishing Albert still from the other Alberts.
Charles23:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Imperial connections
Some authors, eg Brigitte Hamann refer to him as the Emperor Franz Joseph's great uncle. This is incorrect - that would be his father, Archduke Charles, brother of Franz Joseph's grandfather, Emperor Franz. Technically he was Franz Joseph's cousin once removed! --
Michael Goodyear (
talk)
22:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC)reply
Rename to ... Albrecht... instead of ...Albert...
The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Albrecht's statue stands outside of the
Albertina, which is named after the afore-mentioned Albert of Saxony, Duke of Teschen, not after our Albrecht.
If we persist in calling Albrecht "Albert", the reader may wrongly assume that the Albertina is named after him, especially when we have a picture of that statue in the article, and its caption makes reference to the Albertina. (The statue is where it is because Albrecht lived in the adjacent Albertina.)
The latin-character original names of particular persons not generally known to most English-speaking readers anyway (even by an anglicized name) should not have their names anglicized (in my opinion). We don't call
Johannes Brahms "John Brahms," which would be a more accurate anglicization of "Johannes" than "Albert" is of "Albrecht."
There is no useful purpose served by misstating his name as "Albert."
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Holstein - relevant?
The page (section Military Campaigns) mentions in the aftermath of the 1866 war with Prussia "the loss of Holstein to Prussia". I thought Holstein had been annexed from the Kingdom of Denmark, not the Austrian Empire.
Cloptonson (
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18:36, 6 September 2014 (UTC)reply
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Yes, I agree that should be the case. Every archduke and archduchess of a different line (Tuscany, Modena, etc) should follow that form.
Charles18:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Makes sense to me. Sometimes it seems that there are soooo many "X of Austria", and most times, they could be further categorizes at "of Teschen", "of Tuscany" or "of Modena". You've got my vote.
Prsgoddess18723:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)reply
I disagree. This is a totally different situation from Tuscany and Modena which were both reigning families. The Library of Congress name authority for him (based on usage) is "Albrecht, Archduke of Austria, 1817-1895". There are at least six German-language biographies of him. In not a single title is there any mention of duke of Teschen. The current page name conforms with English usage.
Noel S McFerran07:59, 24 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Let me try to make this clearer. Archduke Albrecht was Duke of Teschen, but he was never called Duke of Teschen. He was always referred to as the Archduke Albrecht. Duke of Teschen was a title he held, but not the title generally used for him. In an encyclopedia we gather what scholarship has already been written; we don't create totally new things. Since he wasn't called Duke of Teschen, we shouldn't call him Duke of Teschen (although we should cite in the article that he held this title). By the way, the German Wikipedia
article never calls him "Duke of Österreich-Teschen" as Gryffindor says above; in fact the article never mentions at all that he was Duke of Teschen (although it does say that he owned the estate at Teschen).
Noel S McFerran02:49, 26 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Oops, I meant to say, yes, Albert was the Duke of Teschen. Frederick had been as well. Whether or not he "used" the title or not is sort of irrelevant because it's sole purpose is to distinguish from other Alberts. Birth and death dates do that as well, but all of that can be replaced with Duke of Teschen, distinguishing Albert still from the other Alberts.
Charles23:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Imperial connections
Some authors, eg Brigitte Hamann refer to him as the Emperor Franz Joseph's great uncle. This is incorrect - that would be his father, Archduke Charles, brother of Franz Joseph's grandfather, Emperor Franz. Technically he was Franz Joseph's cousin once removed! --
Michael Goodyear (
talk)
22:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC)reply
Rename to ... Albrecht... instead of ...Albert...
The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Albrecht's statue stands outside of the
Albertina, which is named after the afore-mentioned Albert of Saxony, Duke of Teschen, not after our Albrecht.
If we persist in calling Albrecht "Albert", the reader may wrongly assume that the Albertina is named after him, especially when we have a picture of that statue in the article, and its caption makes reference to the Albertina. (The statue is where it is because Albrecht lived in the adjacent Albertina.)
The latin-character original names of particular persons not generally known to most English-speaking readers anyway (even by an anglicized name) should not have their names anglicized (in my opinion). We don't call
Johannes Brahms "John Brahms," which would be a more accurate anglicization of "Johannes" than "Albert" is of "Albrecht."
There is no useful purpose served by misstating his name as "Albert."
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Holstein - relevant?
The page (section Military Campaigns) mentions in the aftermath of the 1866 war with Prussia "the loss of Holstein to Prussia". I thought Holstein had been annexed from the Kingdom of Denmark, not the Austrian Empire.
Cloptonson (
talk)
18:36, 6 September 2014 (UTC)reply