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Rowan Williams is no longer archbishop of canterbury, Justin Welby has replaced him - the page needs updating!
True, but how can "currently" be justified in an encyclopedia? It is true at the time of writing, but it will expire, just as "this year" has above. Deictics need to be avoided! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.53.2 ( talk) 00:22, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
In theory can ANY anglican archbishop (any vicar? any member?) be made Archbishop of Cantabury. I'd always thought you had to be from the Church of England but Rowan Williams isn't. A Geek Tragedy 12:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
It probably helps to be a bishop in/from the U.K. Theoretically, I suppose, any Anglican bishop could be named, but I am not clear on that, one way or the other. Since the Church of England is established, meaning it has an official relationship with the government of the U.K., the Archbishop of Canterbury is appointed by the Government, with the Queen basically rubberstamping the choice of the ruling government. This means, of course, that Tony Blair is responsible for the fact that Rowan Williams is the current Archbishop of Canterbury. -- Midnite Critic 18:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Dear God, for a second I thought that said Robin Williams was the new Archbishop. :) -- Dante Alighieri 13:27 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)
Well, Robin Williams IS an Episcopalian...-- Midnite Critic 18:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Does the Roman Catholic Church appoint its "own" Archbishops of Canterbury, to "compete" with those who head the Church of England?
The head of the Roman Catholic Church in England is the Archbishop of Westminster. When the Catholic hierarchy was re-established in England in 1850, parliament passed a law saying that the Catholic Church was not allowed to use any of the same diocesan names as the Church of England did. john k 18:34, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've created a image (right), but will resist from adding it until others are okay with it, due to the high visibility of this page. You can see other examples by me at Anglican Diocese of Auckland and Anglican Diocese of Christchurch. Greentubing 11:17, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
No, there is no Catholic Archbishop of Canterbury. The Catholic Heirarcy is seperate.
Interestingly, however, a pall appears on the Arms of the Archbishop. This is a CATHOLIC symbol of a metropolitian Archbishop and can only be received from the Pope.
And it's a pallium not a pall. A pall is what covers the coffin at an RC/Anglican/Lutheran funeral. -- Midnite Critic 18:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
@Timothy Titus By Law, rofl. You can't legislate truth. 96.227.69.105 ( talk) 15:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
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A very fine article but I suggest one change. In the first paragraph, this section should be removed and placed in the section called Origins.
It is of historical note that the RC Church considers Pole as the last valid successor, but Dr Williams is the current incumbent recognized by law. Placing this in the first paragraph of the article gives undue weight to the opinion of the RC Church. The RC Church has the same problem with the Archbishopric of Uppsala in Sweden and many other formerly Roman Catholic sees. Again a fine article, very well written. -- Highdesert 16:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the detailed stuff about exactly what Roman Catholics think about the Anglican communion be removed from the start? After all the article on Roman Catholicism claims to go back to the apostle Peter without everything about the great schism with the orthodox churches and every point in which the papal succession is questionable being detailed, nor do most WP articles on a religious or church group contain so much on differing point of view. I think perhaps this article degrades its own quality in this way and should just refer interested parties to a history article. -- BozMo talk 11:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
The Archbishop of Canterbury is the head of the Church of England and of the worldwide Anglican Communion. Is 'head' the right word here? -- Docg 21:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
The term 'head' is absolutely the correct term to describe the Archbishop of Canterbury: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4405844.stm Head is understood to be the "CEO" of an organisation - this role in the Church of England is filled by the Archbishop of Canterbury. Tony Blair is the Leader of the Labour Party, but he is also the head of it. In a like manner, the same analogy applies to the Archbishop of Canterbury in respect to the Church of England. Reference to the Queen as the head of the Church of England is inaccurate. The title "Supreme Governor" is given to British Monarchs largely historically - and relates to administrative functions only - the Queen is NOT an ordained priest and therefore CANNOT be constituted the head of any portion of Christ's church as apostolic succession would not allow this. The Pope is the head of the Roman Catholic Church and churches in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church are said to be in communion with the See of Rome. As churches that are in full communion with the Anglican Communion are said to be in communion with the See of Canterbury, then the Archbishop of Canterbury must following the same logic, be the head of the Church of England. This evidence is augmented by the fact that recently meetings regarding Anglicanism and Roman Catholicism were held in Rome - between the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury - if the Archbishop is the not the head of the Church of England, then why did he attend such an important meeting? An organisation such as a the Church has a hierarchy, and therefore a head. Christ did not ordain prophets and princes, but priests to lead his church. Therefore, if the Archbishop of Canterbury is NOT the head of the Church of England, who is? Csh1066 00:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
As I understand it, from my reading some years ago, the term 'head' as originally used to describe himself as 'Head of the Church' by King Henry VIII may have been used more in the sense of him being the 'first person' (or 'principal person') of the Church in England rather than in the sense of being the 'leader' of the Church. This seems to have a certain logic to it considering the way that the Monarch was understood as being the 'font' of all things within the kingdom. Afterwriting 02:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Personally I prefer Doops' version of the second para ( diff) to Stevertigo's - just doesn't read well to me. "Punctuated" doesn't seem to make any sense in context, and calling it a "Roman Catholic station" makes it sound more of a military role! I don't want to start an edit war over it though so I won't revert - any thoughts anyone else? David Underdown 09:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Just a note on apostolic succession — yes, there is an unbroken line of archbishops from Augustine to Williams; and yes, there is also an unbroken line of apostolic succession. But they're two different lines, so we can't mention one and then use the pipe trick to link to the other article. (Why are they two different lines? not every archbishop has been ordained by his predecessor — some were not yet bishops upon election; others were ordained not by their immediate predecessor but an earlier one; others were ordained in a different province, e.g. York or (in the present case) Wales.) Doops | talk 08:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm?! This last comment is certainly very POV. "Legitimacy" of what precisely? Anyway, surely it is more correct to refer to 'episcopal succession' when referring to the line of succession of a particular bishopric - 'apostolic succession' is a more general term affirming belief that bishops are in an historical succession from the apostles. Anglicanus ( talk) 12:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I thought the Crown was head of the Anglican Communion? Archbishops are merely heads of their sees and there are senior archbishops among the sees, am I right?
At the moment this mini section has only one role and one place. I think it should be expanded to include more roles. The Archbishop is also visitor to many school, colleges and charities. Most of the positions are ex officio. A list can be found on the parliment website [ [1]] SGoat 06:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
The list does make it clear which roles are ex officio. The ones with a '?' following them (as shown by the key at the end of the entry). These roles are held by the Archbishop of Canterbury (whoever he is). The others are held by Rowan Williams. With regard to the list being incomnplete it may well be, but as it comes from the House of Lords website and we do not have any other good sources of verifiable lists it seems the best we have. As the entry only contains 4 other roles at present shouldn't we at least use some more of these that have been checked. SGoat 13:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
the text:
The Archbishop of Canterbury is the principal leader of the Church of England and by convention is also recognised as head of the worldwide Anglican Communion. The current archbishop is Rowan Williams.
seems to be better than other proposed changes. I say it should stand. --
SECisek
17:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but why is it better? Could justification please be provided as to why this is the preferred option. Firstly, before this revision, I have never heard of the Archbishop of Canterbury being referred to as the "principal leader" of the Church of England. "Spiritual leader" - yes, "Senior clergyman" - yes, even "Head" in some media/newspapers articles. What is a principal leader in a religious context? Moreover, the term "and by convention is also recognised as" is unnecessary and redundant - the Archbishop of Canterbury IS the head of the Anglican Communion, because those churches that choose not to recognise him as such, are not actually in the Anglican Communion. That's like saying that the Queen is recognised by convention as the Head of the Commonwealth - no, she just is, because although she's not actually de facto in power in all the Commonwealth countries, if they do not accept her as the Head of the Commonwealth, they're not in the Commonwealth. In a like manner, while we're not suggesting that the Archbishop of Canterbury is like the Pope with a centralised curia, he is the Head of the Anglican Communion, full stop. I just think the paragraph regarding the leader is too confusing and needs simplifying. I think the key point is that in the Church, the "CEO" for Anglicans is the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Csh1066
22:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I do not like to edit web pages. However, would someone please edit the Archbishop of Caterbury page to include that he is calling for Sharia Law to be enacted in the UK. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.45.160 ( talk) 20:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm about to add info on this to the Origins section in this article, doing away with the Fact template; but I'm citing a book by John Wacher, first published in 1974, whereas I note that a 2nd edition was published in 1995, which I haven't seen. I'm also improving the section generally. You may wish to look into it. Nortonius ( talk) 11:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
the Archbishop ranks above all others in the realm (except the Royal family)
what happens to his rank when he retires? does he fall steeply in precedence to just above the Barons (as a retired Bishop below ordinary retired Bishops)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trajanis ( talk • contribs) 11:51, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
actually, a life peer (i.e., a life Baron) or even a hereditary baron, ranks lower than a retired Bishop.....therefore, I guess the reasoning of also bestowing a life peerage on a retiring Archbishop is not to confer higher precedence, but rather to allow him to continue sitting in the House of Lords (as a temporal lord as opposed to the sitting in the House as a spiritual lord in his previous position)...... Trajanis ( talk) 16:49, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
the following is the order of precedence (and I was wondering where a retiring Archbishop would rank---just as any other retired Church of England diocesan bishop (ordered according to seniority of consecration)? or a special rank above that because of the previous archdiocese position?):
Bishops
24 Church of England diocesan bishops with seats in the House of Lords (ordered according to seniority of consecration)
16 Other Church of England diocesan bishops (ordered according to seniority of consecration)
Suffragan bishops (ordered according to seniority of consecration)
Retired Church of England diocesan bishops (ordered according to seniority of consecration)
Hereditary Barons
Life Barons of the United Kingdom"
Trajanis ( talk) 16:49, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
the precedence of the Archbishop is discussed in the article. Therefore, I believe precedence is within the scope of this page. Trajanis ( talk) 06:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
as noted in the website of the Church of England: "Retired archbishops properly go back to the status of a bishop but may be given as a courtesy the style of an archbishop." http://www.churchofengland.org/contact-us/addressingtheclergy.aspx Trajanis ( talk) 11:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
therefore, the correct precedence of a retired Archbishop would ordered according to seniority of consecration of all retired bishops (including archbishops). In addition, retired archbishops are also created life barons (albeit at a lower level in the table of precedence) in order to allow them to keep their seats in the House of Lords Trajanis ( talk) 11:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Retired archbishops are technically correctly addressed as "The Right Reverend" as a regular bishop (instead of "The Most Reverend" when in office) http://oliffcollection.homestead.com/ArchbishopsCanterbury.html Trajanis ( talk) 11:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
interestingly, the children of an archbishop or bishop have no spot on the table of precedence (during the actual term of office of their father), but upon retirement of their father (when he is ennobled with a life peerage) enter the table of precedence at a rather high level (superior to all baronets and knights (other than Knights of the Garter and Knights of the Thistle) Trajanis ( talk) 11:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Why is the Roman Catholic opinion of the Archbishop's legitimacy given so much attention in the lead of this article? Ltwin ( talk) 20:17, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
A few years ago my wife and I were attending a service in the Anglican church in Stratford on Avon on what happened to be Shakespeare's birthday (although given the number of purists that obviously read and comment on this page, that should of course be "the anniversary of Shakespeare's birthday"). To our surprise, Rowan Williams was there as a "guest" for the occasion and gave the homily. During subsequent discussions, it emerged that in times gone by, the ABC was also the Chancellor of the Exchequer (spelling?).
Which brings me to the main point, which is: would it be appropriate to include a bit of a historical section in which could be included what were other roles of the ABC? Old_Wombat ( talk) 06:25, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Well it came from Rowan's own lips, how much more "verifiable" can it be :) ? But seriously, I do accept your point; I have no other source. Old_Wombat ( talk) 08:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
On this date, the Toronto Star (a major Canadian news organization) included the image seen on this page of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams. It was part of a photographic "A to Z" series of those who will attend the wedding of Prince William to Catherine Middleton. Every other photograph in the series was from a commercial entity. It was quite wonderful to see that what they thought was the best photograph of a man who has spent many years in the public forum was one taken by a volunteer member of the WMF family. Risker ( talk) 18:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
The Wiki entry for the Archbishop says he is associated with Bromley College, and links to Bromley College of Further Education. I suspect this is an error (thiugh I don't know for certain). Instead, he is probably linked to Bromley College, an establishment for retired clergy and their widows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.77.35 ( talk) 00:27, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Why is it the Archbishop of Canterbury rather than Archbishop of London as one would expect? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.81.0 ( talk) 08:09, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
York and Canterbury are the archbishoprics of England; the three main bishoprics are London, Durham and Winchester. If any one one can see how that information relates to the article, s/he could put it it in the article. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 22:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
I would just like to add to this discussion that London wasn't the capital of anything for many centuries after the Roman withdrawal from Britain. Indeed it was a bit of a mess until it was taken by Wessex and restoration began in 886. It then didn't become the capital of England (though really technically the neighbouring city of Westminster is the seat of government) until after the Norman conquest. David ( talk) 10:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
One of the reasons Kent was chosen is that the Kingdom of Kent had better connections with the Continent at the time of Augstine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spispyspi ( talk • contribs) 00:41, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Why is this in the see also? What does it have to do with the Archbishop of Canterbury? It should probably be removed from the list 75.73.114.111 ( talk) 12:16, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Who was the next Archbishop of Canterbury after Stigand who was of Anglo-Saxon/English descent, i.e. not descended from the Norman aristocracy or of other origins?-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 01:00, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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Rowan Williams is no longer archbishop of canterbury, Justin Welby has replaced him - the page needs updating!
True, but how can "currently" be justified in an encyclopedia? It is true at the time of writing, but it will expire, just as "this year" has above. Deictics need to be avoided! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.53.2 ( talk) 00:22, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
In theory can ANY anglican archbishop (any vicar? any member?) be made Archbishop of Cantabury. I'd always thought you had to be from the Church of England but Rowan Williams isn't. A Geek Tragedy 12:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
It probably helps to be a bishop in/from the U.K. Theoretically, I suppose, any Anglican bishop could be named, but I am not clear on that, one way or the other. Since the Church of England is established, meaning it has an official relationship with the government of the U.K., the Archbishop of Canterbury is appointed by the Government, with the Queen basically rubberstamping the choice of the ruling government. This means, of course, that Tony Blair is responsible for the fact that Rowan Williams is the current Archbishop of Canterbury. -- Midnite Critic 18:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Dear God, for a second I thought that said Robin Williams was the new Archbishop. :) -- Dante Alighieri 13:27 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)
Well, Robin Williams IS an Episcopalian...-- Midnite Critic 18:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Does the Roman Catholic Church appoint its "own" Archbishops of Canterbury, to "compete" with those who head the Church of England?
The head of the Roman Catholic Church in England is the Archbishop of Westminster. When the Catholic hierarchy was re-established in England in 1850, parliament passed a law saying that the Catholic Church was not allowed to use any of the same diocesan names as the Church of England did. john k 18:34, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've created a image (right), but will resist from adding it until others are okay with it, due to the high visibility of this page. You can see other examples by me at Anglican Diocese of Auckland and Anglican Diocese of Christchurch. Greentubing 11:17, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
No, there is no Catholic Archbishop of Canterbury. The Catholic Heirarcy is seperate.
Interestingly, however, a pall appears on the Arms of the Archbishop. This is a CATHOLIC symbol of a metropolitian Archbishop and can only be received from the Pope.
And it's a pallium not a pall. A pall is what covers the coffin at an RC/Anglican/Lutheran funeral. -- Midnite Critic 18:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
@Timothy Titus By Law, rofl. You can't legislate truth. 96.227.69.105 ( talk) 15:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
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A very fine article but I suggest one change. In the first paragraph, this section should be removed and placed in the section called Origins.
It is of historical note that the RC Church considers Pole as the last valid successor, but Dr Williams is the current incumbent recognized by law. Placing this in the first paragraph of the article gives undue weight to the opinion of the RC Church. The RC Church has the same problem with the Archbishopric of Uppsala in Sweden and many other formerly Roman Catholic sees. Again a fine article, very well written. -- Highdesert 16:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the detailed stuff about exactly what Roman Catholics think about the Anglican communion be removed from the start? After all the article on Roman Catholicism claims to go back to the apostle Peter without everything about the great schism with the orthodox churches and every point in which the papal succession is questionable being detailed, nor do most WP articles on a religious or church group contain so much on differing point of view. I think perhaps this article degrades its own quality in this way and should just refer interested parties to a history article. -- BozMo talk 11:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
The Archbishop of Canterbury is the head of the Church of England and of the worldwide Anglican Communion. Is 'head' the right word here? -- Docg 21:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
The term 'head' is absolutely the correct term to describe the Archbishop of Canterbury: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4405844.stm Head is understood to be the "CEO" of an organisation - this role in the Church of England is filled by the Archbishop of Canterbury. Tony Blair is the Leader of the Labour Party, but he is also the head of it. In a like manner, the same analogy applies to the Archbishop of Canterbury in respect to the Church of England. Reference to the Queen as the head of the Church of England is inaccurate. The title "Supreme Governor" is given to British Monarchs largely historically - and relates to administrative functions only - the Queen is NOT an ordained priest and therefore CANNOT be constituted the head of any portion of Christ's church as apostolic succession would not allow this. The Pope is the head of the Roman Catholic Church and churches in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church are said to be in communion with the See of Rome. As churches that are in full communion with the Anglican Communion are said to be in communion with the See of Canterbury, then the Archbishop of Canterbury must following the same logic, be the head of the Church of England. This evidence is augmented by the fact that recently meetings regarding Anglicanism and Roman Catholicism were held in Rome - between the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury - if the Archbishop is the not the head of the Church of England, then why did he attend such an important meeting? An organisation such as a the Church has a hierarchy, and therefore a head. Christ did not ordain prophets and princes, but priests to lead his church. Therefore, if the Archbishop of Canterbury is NOT the head of the Church of England, who is? Csh1066 00:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
As I understand it, from my reading some years ago, the term 'head' as originally used to describe himself as 'Head of the Church' by King Henry VIII may have been used more in the sense of him being the 'first person' (or 'principal person') of the Church in England rather than in the sense of being the 'leader' of the Church. This seems to have a certain logic to it considering the way that the Monarch was understood as being the 'font' of all things within the kingdom. Afterwriting 02:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Personally I prefer Doops' version of the second para ( diff) to Stevertigo's - just doesn't read well to me. "Punctuated" doesn't seem to make any sense in context, and calling it a "Roman Catholic station" makes it sound more of a military role! I don't want to start an edit war over it though so I won't revert - any thoughts anyone else? David Underdown 09:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Just a note on apostolic succession — yes, there is an unbroken line of archbishops from Augustine to Williams; and yes, there is also an unbroken line of apostolic succession. But they're two different lines, so we can't mention one and then use the pipe trick to link to the other article. (Why are they two different lines? not every archbishop has been ordained by his predecessor — some were not yet bishops upon election; others were ordained not by their immediate predecessor but an earlier one; others were ordained in a different province, e.g. York or (in the present case) Wales.) Doops | talk 08:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm?! This last comment is certainly very POV. "Legitimacy" of what precisely? Anyway, surely it is more correct to refer to 'episcopal succession' when referring to the line of succession of a particular bishopric - 'apostolic succession' is a more general term affirming belief that bishops are in an historical succession from the apostles. Anglicanus ( talk) 12:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I thought the Crown was head of the Anglican Communion? Archbishops are merely heads of their sees and there are senior archbishops among the sees, am I right?
At the moment this mini section has only one role and one place. I think it should be expanded to include more roles. The Archbishop is also visitor to many school, colleges and charities. Most of the positions are ex officio. A list can be found on the parliment website [ [1]] SGoat 06:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
The list does make it clear which roles are ex officio. The ones with a '?' following them (as shown by the key at the end of the entry). These roles are held by the Archbishop of Canterbury (whoever he is). The others are held by Rowan Williams. With regard to the list being incomnplete it may well be, but as it comes from the House of Lords website and we do not have any other good sources of verifiable lists it seems the best we have. As the entry only contains 4 other roles at present shouldn't we at least use some more of these that have been checked. SGoat 13:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
the text:
The Archbishop of Canterbury is the principal leader of the Church of England and by convention is also recognised as head of the worldwide Anglican Communion. The current archbishop is Rowan Williams.
seems to be better than other proposed changes. I say it should stand. --
SECisek
17:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but why is it better? Could justification please be provided as to why this is the preferred option. Firstly, before this revision, I have never heard of the Archbishop of Canterbury being referred to as the "principal leader" of the Church of England. "Spiritual leader" - yes, "Senior clergyman" - yes, even "Head" in some media/newspapers articles. What is a principal leader in a religious context? Moreover, the term "and by convention is also recognised as" is unnecessary and redundant - the Archbishop of Canterbury IS the head of the Anglican Communion, because those churches that choose not to recognise him as such, are not actually in the Anglican Communion. That's like saying that the Queen is recognised by convention as the Head of the Commonwealth - no, she just is, because although she's not actually de facto in power in all the Commonwealth countries, if they do not accept her as the Head of the Commonwealth, they're not in the Commonwealth. In a like manner, while we're not suggesting that the Archbishop of Canterbury is like the Pope with a centralised curia, he is the Head of the Anglican Communion, full stop. I just think the paragraph regarding the leader is too confusing and needs simplifying. I think the key point is that in the Church, the "CEO" for Anglicans is the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Csh1066
22:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I do not like to edit web pages. However, would someone please edit the Archbishop of Caterbury page to include that he is calling for Sharia Law to be enacted in the UK. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.45.160 ( talk) 20:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm about to add info on this to the Origins section in this article, doing away with the Fact template; but I'm citing a book by John Wacher, first published in 1974, whereas I note that a 2nd edition was published in 1995, which I haven't seen. I'm also improving the section generally. You may wish to look into it. Nortonius ( talk) 11:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
the Archbishop ranks above all others in the realm (except the Royal family)
what happens to his rank when he retires? does he fall steeply in precedence to just above the Barons (as a retired Bishop below ordinary retired Bishops)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trajanis ( talk • contribs) 11:51, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
actually, a life peer (i.e., a life Baron) or even a hereditary baron, ranks lower than a retired Bishop.....therefore, I guess the reasoning of also bestowing a life peerage on a retiring Archbishop is not to confer higher precedence, but rather to allow him to continue sitting in the House of Lords (as a temporal lord as opposed to the sitting in the House as a spiritual lord in his previous position)...... Trajanis ( talk) 16:49, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
the following is the order of precedence (and I was wondering where a retiring Archbishop would rank---just as any other retired Church of England diocesan bishop (ordered according to seniority of consecration)? or a special rank above that because of the previous archdiocese position?):
Bishops
24 Church of England diocesan bishops with seats in the House of Lords (ordered according to seniority of consecration)
16 Other Church of England diocesan bishops (ordered according to seniority of consecration)
Suffragan bishops (ordered according to seniority of consecration)
Retired Church of England diocesan bishops (ordered according to seniority of consecration)
Hereditary Barons
Life Barons of the United Kingdom"
Trajanis ( talk) 16:49, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
the precedence of the Archbishop is discussed in the article. Therefore, I believe precedence is within the scope of this page. Trajanis ( talk) 06:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
as noted in the website of the Church of England: "Retired archbishops properly go back to the status of a bishop but may be given as a courtesy the style of an archbishop." http://www.churchofengland.org/contact-us/addressingtheclergy.aspx Trajanis ( talk) 11:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
therefore, the correct precedence of a retired Archbishop would ordered according to seniority of consecration of all retired bishops (including archbishops). In addition, retired archbishops are also created life barons (albeit at a lower level in the table of precedence) in order to allow them to keep their seats in the House of Lords Trajanis ( talk) 11:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Retired archbishops are technically correctly addressed as "The Right Reverend" as a regular bishop (instead of "The Most Reverend" when in office) http://oliffcollection.homestead.com/ArchbishopsCanterbury.html Trajanis ( talk) 11:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
interestingly, the children of an archbishop or bishop have no spot on the table of precedence (during the actual term of office of their father), but upon retirement of their father (when he is ennobled with a life peerage) enter the table of precedence at a rather high level (superior to all baronets and knights (other than Knights of the Garter and Knights of the Thistle) Trajanis ( talk) 11:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Why is the Roman Catholic opinion of the Archbishop's legitimacy given so much attention in the lead of this article? Ltwin ( talk) 20:17, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
A few years ago my wife and I were attending a service in the Anglican church in Stratford on Avon on what happened to be Shakespeare's birthday (although given the number of purists that obviously read and comment on this page, that should of course be "the anniversary of Shakespeare's birthday"). To our surprise, Rowan Williams was there as a "guest" for the occasion and gave the homily. During subsequent discussions, it emerged that in times gone by, the ABC was also the Chancellor of the Exchequer (spelling?).
Which brings me to the main point, which is: would it be appropriate to include a bit of a historical section in which could be included what were other roles of the ABC? Old_Wombat ( talk) 06:25, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Well it came from Rowan's own lips, how much more "verifiable" can it be :) ? But seriously, I do accept your point; I have no other source. Old_Wombat ( talk) 08:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
On this date, the Toronto Star (a major Canadian news organization) included the image seen on this page of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams. It was part of a photographic "A to Z" series of those who will attend the wedding of Prince William to Catherine Middleton. Every other photograph in the series was from a commercial entity. It was quite wonderful to see that what they thought was the best photograph of a man who has spent many years in the public forum was one taken by a volunteer member of the WMF family. Risker ( talk) 18:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
The Wiki entry for the Archbishop says he is associated with Bromley College, and links to Bromley College of Further Education. I suspect this is an error (thiugh I don't know for certain). Instead, he is probably linked to Bromley College, an establishment for retired clergy and their widows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.77.35 ( talk) 00:27, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Why is it the Archbishop of Canterbury rather than Archbishop of London as one would expect? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.81.0 ( talk) 08:09, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
York and Canterbury are the archbishoprics of England; the three main bishoprics are London, Durham and Winchester. If any one one can see how that information relates to the article, s/he could put it it in the article. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 22:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
I would just like to add to this discussion that London wasn't the capital of anything for many centuries after the Roman withdrawal from Britain. Indeed it was a bit of a mess until it was taken by Wessex and restoration began in 886. It then didn't become the capital of England (though really technically the neighbouring city of Westminster is the seat of government) until after the Norman conquest. David ( talk) 10:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
One of the reasons Kent was chosen is that the Kingdom of Kent had better connections with the Continent at the time of Augstine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spispyspi ( talk • contribs) 00:41, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Why is this in the see also? What does it have to do with the Archbishop of Canterbury? It should probably be removed from the list 75.73.114.111 ( talk) 12:16, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Who was the next Archbishop of Canterbury after Stigand who was of Anglo-Saxon/English descent, i.e. not descended from the Norman aristocracy or of other origins?-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 01:00, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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