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[1] I am at a loss here for how anyone thinks that what is needed here is an attribution of this fact to "mainstream" as though there is any dispute whatsoever about this plain fact. Does anyone have an argument for why we should attribute this fact to "mainstream" people who actually know what they're talking about? jps ( talk) 13:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

[2] Check it out! jps ( talk) 12:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply