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I don't know who removed the link to the Google finance profile, but I'm sure you had a good reason. However, I would like to readd the link to the talk page at least, because it contains an index of news articles useful to future writers. Google Finance: News for Arch Coal, Inc. -- tjstrf 01:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Great edit, there, by WAS 4.250 to keep the Controversies section "neutral". I wonder if WAS 4.250 ever heats or lights his house with electricity derived from a coal-fired powerplant? Has he written numerous letters to the power company, asking them not to buy coal from mountaintop removal companies? I'm sure he'd be perfectly delighted to pay another 35% on his bill, to know that the coal was taken from underground mines, instead. WAS 4.250 is such a noted environmentalist and would NEVER edit Wikipedia merely to make a point. -- 72.94.153.33 14:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
i don't think a competitor section is really necessary here. they have their own articles, and shouldn't be mentioned just because they exist in the same market at Arch Coal. if needed, one could state they are second only to Peabody Energy in the leadin factoid. JoeSmack Talk( p-review!) 18:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
What does low sulphur mean? Low compared to what? Regards, Ben Aveling 23:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
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At one point in history, I deleted this article in a dispute with Gregory Kohs, and I termed it "corporate spam". I now think that was too harsh a judgment and I regret using those words. I apologize to Gregory for using that terminology. Additionally, when the article was later restored, but without some revisions of Gregory, I restored two of his revisions with the comment "might as well restore all of it I suppose". This vague comment has bothered him, and I regret it. What I meant was that although I did not support restoration of the article (a position which I do not hold today; I was wrong about that), if we were to restore it, it would be foolish to do so in a manner which did not acknowledge his contributions. I am proud of that restoration, it was the right thing to do, but I regret that my comment was not more clear.
For the record, having reviewed the situation, I think that I acted harshly and hastily; I would not do the same today. I believe that my actions got Gregory off on the wrong foot in the community, and that tensions which he feels today have their roots in my action. I hope that in some small way my apology is helpful to him, and to the rest of the community, in looking for a resolution of longstanding conflicts.
Speaking of a general principle which I think is relevant here. For a variety of reasons, it is sometimes necessary and wise to delete content posted by a banned user. It is not always the right solution, and I think in this case it was not. But it is important that when we do so, we do so in a way which does not in any way cause the edit history to be misleading - banned users content might be deleted, but when it is kept, it should be kept in a way which appropriately gives them credit for their work. To the extent that this case, the details of which I don't fully remember or understand at the moment, was a case in which credit was denied for work done, then that was wrong. -- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 05:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Sheesh. I already added it in Lar as indicated by 68; what's your issue here? Additional material may be here:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=%22arch+coal%22+mountain+top+removal&btnG=Search
such as:
Although the coal industry is regulated by the state and national governments, the regulators, it is argued, have been captured by Big Coal. The result is one of the most egregious and little-known instances of environmental degradation taking place in the United States today.
From a humanist perspective, and following a provisional distinction between pastoral and georgic, we might map the interrelation of aesthetic and economic environmental arguments. To take what is for me a local example: Many West Virginians are appalled at mountaintop removal mining, in which coal operators blast off the top of a mountain to get at the coal seam below.59 Our objections may originate in aesthetic revulsion—mountaintop removal is ugly—but given the development of sophisticated reclamation techniques, coal operators can present their course of action as beautiful in the long run. In fact, Arch Coal Inc., the leading practitioner of mountaintop removal, has been running newspaper and television advertisements depicting reclaimed surface mines as perfect, pretechnological middle landscapes and describing these landscapes as prime wildlife habitats.60 This aesthetic propaganda, while worth combating on its own grounds, distracts from human and economic issues. Mountaintop removal generates relatively few jobs, and those only for the short term. It acidifies streams, destroys well-water sources, and causes flooding. It damages homes, forces some people to move out of valleys that will be filled with rubble, and reduces property values. It diminishes a local economy increasingly devoted to tourism and therefore dependent on environmental protection. Since mountaintop mines were exempted from the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act of 1977, state and federal governments will end up funding environmental repair.
-Timothy Sweet, "Economy, Ecology, and Utopia in Early Colonial Promotional Literature," American Literature 71.3 (1999) 399-427. etc etc etc
Eusebeus ( talk) 14:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
These are the pages that actually mention Arch Coal on the websites cited in this article:
Not quite sure which document is correct yet, but the link on the main space is dead:
There are a number of other articles dealing with mergers, sales, profits etc, but I just included the readily available links related to the surface mining section. I did not do a news search on Ashland, subsidiaries, PACs, associations, etc. Flowanda | Talk 05:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
The paid editing fiasco (see /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2006-10-09/MyWikiBiz ) seems important to me. That is, the article lends undue weight to certain aspects of the subject but not others. I wasn't able to find news coverage using google, however. -- Elvey ( talk) 22:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
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Apparently the company has rebranded under a new name. Should the article be thus moved? No comment on whether the company seems to be using an Orwellian euphemism to describe "coal" as "metallurgical products". - AppleBsTime ( talk) 20:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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I don't know who removed the link to the Google finance profile, but I'm sure you had a good reason. However, I would like to readd the link to the talk page at least, because it contains an index of news articles useful to future writers. Google Finance: News for Arch Coal, Inc. -- tjstrf 01:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Great edit, there, by WAS 4.250 to keep the Controversies section "neutral". I wonder if WAS 4.250 ever heats or lights his house with electricity derived from a coal-fired powerplant? Has he written numerous letters to the power company, asking them not to buy coal from mountaintop removal companies? I'm sure he'd be perfectly delighted to pay another 35% on his bill, to know that the coal was taken from underground mines, instead. WAS 4.250 is such a noted environmentalist and would NEVER edit Wikipedia merely to make a point. -- 72.94.153.33 14:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
i don't think a competitor section is really necessary here. they have their own articles, and shouldn't be mentioned just because they exist in the same market at Arch Coal. if needed, one could state they are second only to Peabody Energy in the leadin factoid. JoeSmack Talk( p-review!) 18:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
What does low sulphur mean? Low compared to what? Regards, Ben Aveling 23:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
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At one point in history, I deleted this article in a dispute with Gregory Kohs, and I termed it "corporate spam". I now think that was too harsh a judgment and I regret using those words. I apologize to Gregory for using that terminology. Additionally, when the article was later restored, but without some revisions of Gregory, I restored two of his revisions with the comment "might as well restore all of it I suppose". This vague comment has bothered him, and I regret it. What I meant was that although I did not support restoration of the article (a position which I do not hold today; I was wrong about that), if we were to restore it, it would be foolish to do so in a manner which did not acknowledge his contributions. I am proud of that restoration, it was the right thing to do, but I regret that my comment was not more clear.
For the record, having reviewed the situation, I think that I acted harshly and hastily; I would not do the same today. I believe that my actions got Gregory off on the wrong foot in the community, and that tensions which he feels today have their roots in my action. I hope that in some small way my apology is helpful to him, and to the rest of the community, in looking for a resolution of longstanding conflicts.
Speaking of a general principle which I think is relevant here. For a variety of reasons, it is sometimes necessary and wise to delete content posted by a banned user. It is not always the right solution, and I think in this case it was not. But it is important that when we do so, we do so in a way which does not in any way cause the edit history to be misleading - banned users content might be deleted, but when it is kept, it should be kept in a way which appropriately gives them credit for their work. To the extent that this case, the details of which I don't fully remember or understand at the moment, was a case in which credit was denied for work done, then that was wrong. -- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 05:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Sheesh. I already added it in Lar as indicated by 68; what's your issue here? Additional material may be here:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=%22arch+coal%22+mountain+top+removal&btnG=Search
such as:
Although the coal industry is regulated by the state and national governments, the regulators, it is argued, have been captured by Big Coal. The result is one of the most egregious and little-known instances of environmental degradation taking place in the United States today.
From a humanist perspective, and following a provisional distinction between pastoral and georgic, we might map the interrelation of aesthetic and economic environmental arguments. To take what is for me a local example: Many West Virginians are appalled at mountaintop removal mining, in which coal operators blast off the top of a mountain to get at the coal seam below.59 Our objections may originate in aesthetic revulsion—mountaintop removal is ugly—but given the development of sophisticated reclamation techniques, coal operators can present their course of action as beautiful in the long run. In fact, Arch Coal Inc., the leading practitioner of mountaintop removal, has been running newspaper and television advertisements depicting reclaimed surface mines as perfect, pretechnological middle landscapes and describing these landscapes as prime wildlife habitats.60 This aesthetic propaganda, while worth combating on its own grounds, distracts from human and economic issues. Mountaintop removal generates relatively few jobs, and those only for the short term. It acidifies streams, destroys well-water sources, and causes flooding. It damages homes, forces some people to move out of valleys that will be filled with rubble, and reduces property values. It diminishes a local economy increasingly devoted to tourism and therefore dependent on environmental protection. Since mountaintop mines were exempted from the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act of 1977, state and federal governments will end up funding environmental repair.
-Timothy Sweet, "Economy, Ecology, and Utopia in Early Colonial Promotional Literature," American Literature 71.3 (1999) 399-427. etc etc etc
Eusebeus ( talk) 14:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
These are the pages that actually mention Arch Coal on the websites cited in this article:
Not quite sure which document is correct yet, but the link on the main space is dead:
There are a number of other articles dealing with mergers, sales, profits etc, but I just included the readily available links related to the surface mining section. I did not do a news search on Ashland, subsidiaries, PACs, associations, etc. Flowanda | Talk 05:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
The paid editing fiasco (see /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2006-10-09/MyWikiBiz ) seems important to me. That is, the article lends undue weight to certain aspects of the subject but not others. I wasn't able to find news coverage using google, however. -- Elvey ( talk) 22:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
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Apparently the company has rebranded under a new name. Should the article be thus moved? No comment on whether the company seems to be using an Orwellian euphemism to describe "coal" as "metallurgical products". - AppleBsTime ( talk) 20:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)