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In Oceania, the term arboriculture is used to refer broadly to the practice of tree-cropping, especially in regards to food production. It has been so for some decades in the academic literature. When I have assembled more data, I will contribute to this page as I am writing a thesis on Oceanic arboriculture - we probably need to have sections describing regional definitions. Right now, I am trying to understand the difference between arboriculture and silviculture. Thus far, they seem rather small, and I suspect they may reflect regional (not practice) differences. Would be interested to discuss. Jhuebert ( talk) 03:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC) Note: I have added some headers to this discussion - it was very hard to follow. Perhaps that long list of cultivated species is unnecessary and can be deleted, it is distracting to the discussion.
this is to short, should be merged with forestry as a subsection ... or landscaping or something similar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.126.30.152 ( talk) 18:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed the text from the article, which said it included the care of shrubs, vines, and other perennial woody plants, I don't recognise this definition. The accepted definition of the word, for instance at http://www.isa-arbor.com/ is for the care of trees only. Imc 10:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm putting it back in, with a sourced reference considered eminent among ISA certified arborists. Duff 20:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
The addition of "some sources say" at the bottom of the article is a welcome gesture, but since we're having a minor edit war here, I want to offer this:
Merriam Webster online differentiates horticulture from arboriculture thusly:
"arboriculture: Etymology: arbori- + -culture (as in agriculture)
"horticulture: Etymology: Latin hortus garden + English -i- + culture -- more at YARD
Furthermore, Encyclopedia Brittanica online treats arboriculture as follows: " cultivation of trees, shrubs, and woody plants for shading and decorating. Arboriculture includes propagating, transplanting, pruning, applying fertilizer, spraying to control insects and diseases, cabling and bracing, treating cavities, identifying plants, diagnosing and treating tree damage and ailments, arranging plantings for their ornamental values, …(the rest you have to pay to read, but you get the gist)
And, The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000, goes even more directly to my point: The planting and care of woody plants, especially trees.
You may be interested to note that the same source defines arbor itself, and has a great little etymology that may help you untie from the climbing saddle and come on down into the garden for a minute: arbor: A shady resting place in a garden or park, often made of rustic work or latticework on which plants, such as climbing shrubs or vines, are grown. ETYMOLOGY: Middle English erber, from Old French erbier, garden, from erbe, herb. See herb.
Anyhoozle, you cite one source (albeit a reasonable one), and I have here four so far, three of them probably more widely recognized than ISA as authoritative on the meaning of words. Thus, ISA can now, I think, be considered the atypical reference. Wanna wrestle with a moderator next? ; ) Duff 21:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Bats in trees is great, but it's not arboriculture. Someone's invented "sport" is not arboriculture. I'd like to do some serious improvements on this page; if I do in the near future, I will post about it here, and I hope it can be improved on even more by others.-- Trees4est ( talk) 21:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Made mention to amenity trees and how arboriculture is more so focused on the value a tree provides to a landscape rather than the value of it by wood content. Forestry and silviculture is more so aimed at managing for wood production, trees are a crop where as in an urban setting trees are amenity. -- Eric Frei ( talk) 03:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I've done some edits to remove things that seemed promotional or superfluous, and tried to distill the page a bit, hopefully it works.-- Trees4est ( talk) 19:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
With apologies to those who may still stubbornly use the terms, tree surgery is not considered an appropriate term to describe arboriculture, nor is tree surgeon an appropriate term to describe an arborist. It's kind of like calling a homemaker a domestic engineer. Other than perhaps noting in both this and the arborist page that these terms are obsolete, I don't see a good reason to use them as if they were synonymous. I'm fixing that here by replacing those terms. Duff ( talk) 16:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm going to put it in the lead, since this is a commonly accepted (though none too accurately, nor inclusively, nor professionally used) generic term for the many practices involved in arboriculture (see yellow pages anywhere in the world). There's been a major(?) flap at Talk:arborsculpture, over whether or not the term specifically and generically applies to that craft (which sometimes rises to the level of an art), even going so far as to rename the arborsculpture page to tree shaping, as a more generic term for that practice. A requested page move back to the article's original name did not resolve the matter and editing on that page (and its talk page) has apparently been contentious for years. Many other editors (and I) maintain that tree shaping is a more generic term for this practice, but that it is a wholly inappropriate generic name for that practice. Your comments are warmly welcome, both on its inclusion here and on its appropriateness there. Duff ( talk) 17:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
(2 relevant comments clipped from my talk page, User talk:Duff, to here.)
I can't agree that "tree shaping" is another term for arboriculture as that is (as the article lead states) the "cultivation, management, and study" of woody plants. Rather, "tree shaping" is a practice within the field of arboriculture. Presented “tree shaping” as if it's a synonym for arboriculture seems pointy as well as inaccurate. Let's not let our exasperating association with odiously unethical people lead us compromise our own standards of editing. That being said, the term “tree shaping” can absolutely be used as a section heading within articles such as Arboriculture and Arborist. -- Griseum ( talk) 09:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
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I would suggest that, since the use of the term has been disputed, that it should remain out of the article for the time being. Once citations from reliable sources are available, it will, of course, be quite right to put it back in, together with those references. But until then, the general principle that unsourced material can be removed seems a prudent one to use here. The article is not significantly harmed by not mentioning the term, so the correct way to resolve things is to find those citations and include them.— Anaxial ( talk) 10:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC) |
Recent addition of this section, translated from Italian wikipedia, seems out of place. Does this information not belong in the En wikipedia article on lumber or thereabouts? Duff ( talk) 19:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Timber plantation managementarboriculture is a technical discipline of forestryarboriculture that studies the installation and management of tree plantations for the production of specific timber in the largest quantity possible. These plantations are usually
monoculture, operated by farms or forestry companies, using specialised machinery.
The main objective in timber plantation managementarboriculture is the maximisation of woody material, which is harvested completely at the commercially optimal time.
Timber plantations are usually pollarded or coppiced. Here is a list of the most common species used:
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This is a ridiculous insult. Everyone knows that trees are being felled. But to call that 'Tree Care' just don't seem right to me. We could use a different, more proper term. Mr.Baumguard ( talk) 15:33, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
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In Oceania, the term arboriculture is used to refer broadly to the practice of tree-cropping, especially in regards to food production. It has been so for some decades in the academic literature. When I have assembled more data, I will contribute to this page as I am writing a thesis on Oceanic arboriculture - we probably need to have sections describing regional definitions. Right now, I am trying to understand the difference between arboriculture and silviculture. Thus far, they seem rather small, and I suspect they may reflect regional (not practice) differences. Would be interested to discuss. Jhuebert ( talk) 03:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC) Note: I have added some headers to this discussion - it was very hard to follow. Perhaps that long list of cultivated species is unnecessary and can be deleted, it is distracting to the discussion.
this is to short, should be merged with forestry as a subsection ... or landscaping or something similar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.126.30.152 ( talk) 18:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed the text from the article, which said it included the care of shrubs, vines, and other perennial woody plants, I don't recognise this definition. The accepted definition of the word, for instance at http://www.isa-arbor.com/ is for the care of trees only. Imc 10:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm putting it back in, with a sourced reference considered eminent among ISA certified arborists. Duff 20:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
The addition of "some sources say" at the bottom of the article is a welcome gesture, but since we're having a minor edit war here, I want to offer this:
Merriam Webster online differentiates horticulture from arboriculture thusly:
"arboriculture: Etymology: arbori- + -culture (as in agriculture)
"horticulture: Etymology: Latin hortus garden + English -i- + culture -- more at YARD
Furthermore, Encyclopedia Brittanica online treats arboriculture as follows: " cultivation of trees, shrubs, and woody plants for shading and decorating. Arboriculture includes propagating, transplanting, pruning, applying fertilizer, spraying to control insects and diseases, cabling and bracing, treating cavities, identifying plants, diagnosing and treating tree damage and ailments, arranging plantings for their ornamental values, …(the rest you have to pay to read, but you get the gist)
And, The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000, goes even more directly to my point: The planting and care of woody plants, especially trees.
You may be interested to note that the same source defines arbor itself, and has a great little etymology that may help you untie from the climbing saddle and come on down into the garden for a minute: arbor: A shady resting place in a garden or park, often made of rustic work or latticework on which plants, such as climbing shrubs or vines, are grown. ETYMOLOGY: Middle English erber, from Old French erbier, garden, from erbe, herb. See herb.
Anyhoozle, you cite one source (albeit a reasonable one), and I have here four so far, three of them probably more widely recognized than ISA as authoritative on the meaning of words. Thus, ISA can now, I think, be considered the atypical reference. Wanna wrestle with a moderator next? ; ) Duff 21:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Bats in trees is great, but it's not arboriculture. Someone's invented "sport" is not arboriculture. I'd like to do some serious improvements on this page; if I do in the near future, I will post about it here, and I hope it can be improved on even more by others.-- Trees4est ( talk) 21:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Made mention to amenity trees and how arboriculture is more so focused on the value a tree provides to a landscape rather than the value of it by wood content. Forestry and silviculture is more so aimed at managing for wood production, trees are a crop where as in an urban setting trees are amenity. -- Eric Frei ( talk) 03:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I've done some edits to remove things that seemed promotional or superfluous, and tried to distill the page a bit, hopefully it works.-- Trees4est ( talk) 19:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
With apologies to those who may still stubbornly use the terms, tree surgery is not considered an appropriate term to describe arboriculture, nor is tree surgeon an appropriate term to describe an arborist. It's kind of like calling a homemaker a domestic engineer. Other than perhaps noting in both this and the arborist page that these terms are obsolete, I don't see a good reason to use them as if they were synonymous. I'm fixing that here by replacing those terms. Duff ( talk) 16:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm going to put it in the lead, since this is a commonly accepted (though none too accurately, nor inclusively, nor professionally used) generic term for the many practices involved in arboriculture (see yellow pages anywhere in the world). There's been a major(?) flap at Talk:arborsculpture, over whether or not the term specifically and generically applies to that craft (which sometimes rises to the level of an art), even going so far as to rename the arborsculpture page to tree shaping, as a more generic term for that practice. A requested page move back to the article's original name did not resolve the matter and editing on that page (and its talk page) has apparently been contentious for years. Many other editors (and I) maintain that tree shaping is a more generic term for this practice, but that it is a wholly inappropriate generic name for that practice. Your comments are warmly welcome, both on its inclusion here and on its appropriateness there. Duff ( talk) 17:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
(2 relevant comments clipped from my talk page, User talk:Duff, to here.)
I can't agree that "tree shaping" is another term for arboriculture as that is (as the article lead states) the "cultivation, management, and study" of woody plants. Rather, "tree shaping" is a practice within the field of arboriculture. Presented “tree shaping” as if it's a synonym for arboriculture seems pointy as well as inaccurate. Let's not let our exasperating association with odiously unethical people lead us compromise our own standards of editing. That being said, the term “tree shaping” can absolutely be used as a section heading within articles such as Arboriculture and Arborist. -- Griseum ( talk) 09:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
I would suggest that, since the use of the term has been disputed, that it should remain out of the article for the time being. Once citations from reliable sources are available, it will, of course, be quite right to put it back in, together with those references. But until then, the general principle that unsourced material can be removed seems a prudent one to use here. The article is not significantly harmed by not mentioning the term, so the correct way to resolve things is to find those citations and include them.— Anaxial ( talk) 10:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC) |
Recent addition of this section, translated from Italian wikipedia, seems out of place. Does this information not belong in the En wikipedia article on lumber or thereabouts? Duff ( talk) 19:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Timber plantation managementarboriculture is a technical discipline of forestryarboriculture that studies the installation and management of tree plantations for the production of specific timber in the largest quantity possible. These plantations are usually
monoculture, operated by farms or forestry companies, using specialised machinery.
The main objective in timber plantation managementarboriculture is the maximisation of woody material, which is harvested completely at the commercially optimal time.
Timber plantations are usually pollarded or coppiced. Here is a list of the most common species used:
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This is a ridiculous insult. Everyone knows that trees are being felled. But to call that 'Tree Care' just don't seem right to me. We could use a different, more proper term. Mr.Baumguard ( talk) 15:33, 7 March 2021 (UTC)