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The figure given for the Brazilian Arab population appears to be wrong by a factor of 10. It should be 1.2 million not 12 million. See article (and references) on Brazilian ethnicity.
I will change it soon unless anyone objects here.
Keithbowden ( talk) 13:32, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
That study wasn't a census, it would be also naive to think you could count people according to origin that way. The Brazilian census doesn't include the number of people according to origin, that link there was only a study. I mean, 64% of the people answered to be of Brazilian ethnicity. So what's Brazilian ethnicity? Does that mean they are native-brazilians? According to your thinking 64& of the Brazilian population would be native-brazilians... That doesn't sound right...
http://veja.abril.com.br/041000/p_122.html read this whole article and you'll see that there are circa 7 millions lebanese-brazilians. This doesn't include Arabs from other countries. I guess you understand Portuguese. http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200505/the.arabs.of.brazil.htm http://cags.org.ae/cbc01ar.pdf This one claims there are circa 12 million brazilians of arab descent.
http://wlcu-lb.com/en/articles/brazil-has-more-lebanese-than-lebanon/
Youri —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.132.113.206 ( talk) 04:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
There is still a huge discrepancy between the two figures given for the number of Arabs in Brazil: one says 164,000 and the other 6,000,000. 164,000 is obviously extremely wrong: the study that is referenced only takes into account about 34 million people out of the roughly 190 millions people in Brazil. And the question asked is "what origin do you consider yourself of", with an open answer, so answers fall both in ethnicity and country of origin categories. So this figure is most likely way underestimated. I didn't have time and couldn't locate the figure of 6,000,000 in the other reference, though. Anyway, if noone opposes that, I will replace the figure of 164,000 by the 6,000,000 one. Because 164,000 is undoubtedly wrong, and 6,000,000 is possibly right. Does anyone have some useful information? Other figures? Tanynep talk 19:23, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Come on guys...these figures are WAY lower then reality. From the first part of the Lebanese Brazilian Wikipedia page---"The population of Brazil identifying with either full or partial Lebanese descent is estimated at between 7 to 10 million people. This number of immigrants is larger than the population in Lebanon. Immigration of the Lebanese (and Syrians) to Brazil started in the late 19th century, most of them coming from Lebanon and later from Syria." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.251.92 ( talk) 03:53, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
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Please remove the reference to Bernard Lewis who is considered not a reliable scholar and employs propaganstic writing. Please make reference to Albert Hourani instead.
Dasdas00 ( talk) 11:01, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
First section -- "(with language tending to be the acid test),..." Does this mean that language tends to be a signifier for someone who is Arab? I have no sources to back up the accuracy of this statement or not, but "acid test" is very unusual English. 'Litmus test' is much more frequent and useful. Or, change the statement altogether: "In addition to including all Arabized people of the world, with language acting as one signifier, it has also occassionally been used exclusively..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekeffel ( talk • contribs) 22:57, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Favorable Anti-Arab taste overwhelming this pathetic propaganda-full Wikipedia page.. It is just disgusting how people here and there try to marginalize the Arabs in everything and degrading them, stripping them off anything.. we are sick of it! Definitely, this is what gives Wikipedia , not a bad, but an UGLY reputation..
- Therefore, I did a minor edit in the History section: Early history ("Ancient Arabs"): "Ancient Arabs", tribes that had vanished or been destroyed, such as ʿĀd and Thamud, often mentioned in the Qur'an as examples of God's power to destroy "wicked people".
Into: .. examples of God's power to destroy those who did not believe and follow their prophets and messengers. (as clarified in the Holy Qur'an). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rewayah ( talk • contribs) 12:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
What are the names of the Arab people making science? Let's be more specific. I looked more into it to help in finding it but the only names I've found Avicenna, Jābir ibn Hayyān or Rhazes were PERSIANS! Let's help in finding real Arabs here Merewyn ( talk) 13:04, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Dzlinker and I disagree on whether to put "panethnicity" in bold in the very first sentence. I agree it's important, but WP:MOSBOLD explicitly lists the appropriate uses of boldface, and "emphasis" is not among them (in fact it's listed among WP:BADEMPHASIS). Italics may be used for emphasis, but only sparingly, and not just because a fact is important (in contrast to introducing an important term that is then discussed in the article, which "panethnicity" is not). The position in the very first sentence should be sufficient emphasis for that fact. (I also doubt the single most important fact about the Arab people is that they're a panethnicity, but that's debatable.) For these reasons I've again removed the boldface. Huon ( talk) 17:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Dzlinker added an entry on Western Sahara, citing p. 214 of Levinson's Ethnic groups worldwide: a ready reference handbook as a reference. Page 214 of Levinson deals with China, not Western Sahara. That's not even the right continent. Levinson mentions Western Sahara on p. 178, but says nothing about it except that it's occupied by Morocco and that "its status as a nation is under discussion." Levinson's entry on Morocco adds no relevant information, though the Sahrawi population may have been included in the Moroccan statistics (not sure either way). Furthermore, Dzlinker gave Western Sahara's population as "400.000 to 3.000.000", whereas the CIA Factbook gives a number of 522,928. I have no idea where the three million are supposed to come from, but that number is literally incredible. He also linked to the demographics of Western Sahara article, but it does not cover the ethnic composition and does not mention Arabs. Since the total population is dubious (to put it mildly) and no source exists for the percentage of Arabs, I have removed the entry. Huon ( talk) 18:30, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
bull shit article written by arabists specially the funny numbers and table with percentage ratios in the bottom and the reference book. -- MasriDefend ( talk) 02:08, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
funny they invented a new race called eastern hamatic arab wow, arab is arace now, Arabian peninsula people have their race and have mixed with other race. bullshit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MasriDefend ( talk • contribs) 02:12, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
It's common sense that's why I am saying and sorry "bullshit". For the source, wikipedia here is source, there are many article who say other wise here. Arab is an ideology which is not ethnic or race nor arab is a race as the source says, only illiterate people would say that. You can not say that 90% are arab in Egypt first, because it's not an ethinic or race and I am stressing here many times; secondly, you did not survey 90% of Egyptians who say that they are arabist and believe in arabism or nasirists. In Egypt and any where in north Africa many people say they are arab because they want to be from prophet mohamed or because of the influence of nasirism as an ideology and because of Islam is from and arab source and arabic language. Those people are illiterate except the idology where some people believe in arabism and naserism and they are free to do that; however, these people are very small group now specially seeing what this idology brought to their countries such as Egypt, syria, lybia, yemen, and iraq specifically their regimes. Thank u for ur fast response. -- MasriDefend ( talk) 06:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Basically, the word arab in middle east and north african countries now is the same as the word western, or european in europe. Although I don't like the name and that what most people dont like and the dispute mainly is the name since it's originally an ethnecity name of the people of the arabian penesola and I would like it to be replace with the geographic name the same as europe are european and have a european uninue not say english league same as arab league; that's what I hope to be done, to have a north africa middle eastern union instead of arab league. The people of the region share many things the same as europeans share many things such as similar culture and languages. So currently, u say the country of Egypt is arab same as u say the country of England is europeans and not say the percentage of european in England is 90% and btw, Egypt dont have immigrants. Regards -- MasriDefend ( talk) 06:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I dont get what FunkMonk does not like. If u think that Arab is a race then I am sorry ur stupid. If you think 90% of Egyptians are Arab ancestory just check out The Egyptians #Genetic history article and go search for the modern Egyptian DNA. real arabians in Egypt is less than one percent mainly the Bedouins. And I agree with Dzlinker -- MasriDefend ( talk) 18:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
It's widely in the mid east north africa, not new. As I said only illiterate people are who think that they areab for the reasons I stated above so It's not panethinic since many people now day are educated and read their genetic history and know that they are not ethnically arab but are arab by culture and language, in other word, there are similar and common and related cultures and languages and specially religion between the people of mid east north africa and these people recognize it. Dont confuse with arabism or nasirism since its the ideology that of belonging to one "united arab state" and not the individual countries this was popular at the time of ottomn and english colonism in the area but now it very unpopular. I dont understand what kind of source do u need that states that arab is currently other word for the brothers in the mid east north africa region who share many similarities. There is unfortunatly alot of confusion between arab the term and arab the ethnicity. -- MasriDefend ( talk) 20:10, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
What I mean by arab as ethnicity is arab by DNA. -- MasriDefend ( talk) 21:03, 18 July 2012 (UTC) ".. but are arab by culture and language, in other word, there are similar and common and related cultures and languages and specially religion between the people of mid east north africa and these people recognize it."-- MasriDefend ( talk) 21:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Huon please understand, there are similar cultures and languages same similar cultures and language between European and not the same culture and language. -- MasriDefend ( talk) 21:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
omg, Huon please understand, there are similar cultures and languages in the mid east north africa not the same culture and language. The same as Europeans have similar cultures and languages between them and not the same culture and language. Hope u understand it right this time.-- MasriDefend ( talk) 22:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
There is another catastrophic thing about the article, Arabians redirects here !! Arabians are the indigenous people of the Arabian peninsula! Do we agree?? If so i have an other proposition, let us create an article for Arabians, and put a disambiguation tag at the top of each of those two.
There is articles for Berbers (actually two considering Maghrebis) for Egyptians for Syrians and for Mesopotamians, but not for Arabians which redirects to Arab people where we find all the ethnic groups cited before !! despite, and considering the arabians fashion, that doesn't exist anywhere else in the arab world, those people deserve an article for them alone. - Dzlinker ( talk) 22:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
If you claim that there's no such thing as Arab people except people from the Arabian peninsula, you have to explain sources like Levinson saying that there is. When it's your personal opinion against multiple reliable secondary sources, the sources win. Huon ( talk) 10:24, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I already said what I wanted to say. Quran and hadith in the times of islam specially hadiths(talks) used to refer by arab as the inhabitant of arabian peninsula. TO sum up this issue:
1)there are similar and common and related cultures and languages and specially religion between the people of mid east north africa and these people recognize it wrongly by using the term arab today effected from 2 and 3. The same as Europeans have similar cultures and languages between them and not the same culture and language.
2) Many people that are not educated enough wrongly think that since we speak "Arabic" as they are all taught sice the islamic times and we are arabs because they think is no way for us to be speaking arabic and be muslim accept by being real arabs, knowing nothing about real arab and we all know today that this is wrong.
3) The arab ideology come from 1 and 2, It's pan-arabism to create one state comprimising whole of mid east and north africa into a state called united arab republic. It has be attempted alot and always failed. This movement is very unpopular today. -- MasriDefend ( talk) 04:19, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
he was going to win not because he was pan arabist but because he was libral, he was not that pan arabist though. anyway do whatever u want -- MasriDefend ( talk) 21:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
THANK GOD, I found the source u badly want. Arab is a geographic term! http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContentP/4/48593/Opinion/The-Republic-of-Egypt.aspx -- MasriDefend ( talk) 05:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
yeah, other sources states solid undisputed facts right. And I am saying that arab is stated as a geographic term and I did not mean the opinion about removing arab from the offical name of the country. Here is a source that say that arab is a "geographic term".-- MasriDefend ( talk) 06:31, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Arjun G. Menon brought the UAE entry in the Arab population section in line with the demographics section of the United Arab Emirates article. Unfortunately that article's numbers bore no relation to the source; in fact, an "arab" demographic not mentioned in the source seems to have been made up, and all other numbers except the natives were too low to make up the difference. Thus I reverted to the old CIA numbers. Huon ( talk) 23:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
I removed the "no evidence has been shown" comment. This is your own personal belief. If you actually have a reliable source that argues that point of view then put it. I don't see "no evidence has been shown" when it comes to the claim that Jews are descendant from Jacob. The Arabized Arabs section is according to Medieval Arab genealogists who took pride to their lineage and recorded who their father were for thousands of years. Plus, Jews and Arabs along with other semitic groups like Assyrians share the same genetic heritage which is obvious since they all come from the same tight region. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.70.35.233 ( talk) 10:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
You can add to the potrait. Omar Sharif Muhammad Ahmad Umm Kulthum, Badr Hari, Semi Khedira, Rafic Hariri, Amin Maalouf,
Rima Fakih,
Naguib Mahfouz ,
Ibn Battuta and Carlos Slim.
95.116.110.65 ( talk) 16:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
"In the 20th century, coinciding with the rise of Pan Arab nationalism, the Muslim world began promoting a history that the Semitic peoples originated from the Arabian peninsula", What Muslim?? Arabs make up at most 20% of the Muslim world, so you can't claim that the "Muslim World" said this or that, while the 80% was silent. And where are the sources? The source provided DOESN'T mention anything about Muslims or Arabs claiming anything.-- BelalSaid ( talk) 03:01, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
I was thinking of replacing John of Damascus with Mariam Baouardy another Arab Christian, although a woman. This would even out the sexes, but not ruin the religious and regional balance we have now. A minus could be that her article isn't very long, and perhaps she is less notable. FunkMonk ( talk) 12:22, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Let's make a survey about who should figure on the next row. I propose 4 people:
File:Ibn khaldoun in a maroccan stamp.jpg
If any other suggestions, please add it (with a portrait) to the list above. Thanks!
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Dzlinker (
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23:53, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
There is 90% arab ancestry cited on the page for egyptians. This is not true, because at the strictest definition arab would mean bedouin. In terms of genetic similarity, there is some similarity between Egyptian "arabs" and other arabs, but it is not any more than there is between Egyptians and Libyans.
If we apply the definition of arab to mean any genetic commonality that arab-speaking countries have, then we would be sure to include a whole bunch of other african and non-arab asian countries (since for example some of these commonalities may be shared by persians, west africans, east africans, etc.)
It is a huge stretch to call Egyptians and Sudanese people arabs. They only consider themselves arabs because of spoken language. -- 04:37, 26 December 2012 174.116.244.90
Hi. I don't think it makes sense to list the Arab League as a region with a x number of Arab people. Firstly, it is a political construct, not an organisation representing Abab people(s)/ nation(s). Secondly, it does not include all the Arab people in the region and includes some non-Arab people. Most Sudanese (even before the partition) are not Arab, Somalia is not Arab, southern Mauritania is not Arab. Then, what about the millions of minorities scattered in most of the countries that make up the League? Finally, Syria has been expelled - so is this counted in in those 280 million people?/ Have Syrians (22,5 million) been deducted from that total? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 16:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
That is true, Arabs from different regions from the Middle East come from different background and lineages. Today, a generic definition of an ethnic Arab is "one who speaks Arabic as a native/first language". Many people in the Arab League like Somalia, Djabouti and Chad mostly speak and learn Arabic as a second language. In Sudan, most of the Arabs are Afro-Arab, Arabized native black populations. They are Arabs by linguistic means to the fact that many Sudanese people speak Arabic as a native language, adhere to its culture as far as lineage goes, they are black natives of Africa. Take a look at the Sudanese Arabs article. Gulf Arabs have a melting pot of ancestry and origin, including Arabian, Persian, Indian and Turkish ancestries. Yemeni Arabs, Levantine Arabs and Gulf Arabs barely have any resemblances in ancestry. Most of Yemen's and North Arabia's Arabs are descendants of Abraham. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 00:10, 15 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
I understand he came from the Roman province of Arabia, what is now Syria. I'm starting to question the validity of him being an actual Arab, did he even speak or learn Arabic or an Arabian dialect? It seems he only spoke Latin, Greek and/or Aramaic. I see it like Queen Zenobia, her ethnic origin is in dispute of whether she came from an Aramaic or an Arabic-speaking family. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 00:16, 15 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
I really guess Philip the Arab was included in the table because he was native to Syria, people there were considered "Arabs" or "Arabians" at the time, regardless of whether they spoke Arabic or not and some Arabs consider the term to be one of lineage or bloodline, he's on the 100 Syrian pound note but so is Queen Zenobia. Same concept with the Himyarites and Nabateans, they weren't Arabic-speakers either, they spoke the Himyarite, Hebrew and Aramaic languages and most accept them as Arabs. If Philip the Arab is removed, I'd probably suggest putting Al-Waleed Bin Talal, a bussiness magnate from Saudi Arabia or perhaps an Al-Nahdi figure like Emil Habibi. Or else we may just have to leave it empty and live with 5 pictures instead. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 18:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Well, I'll believe you on that since you mentioned sources. Can you list some of these sources? The Nabateans spoke Arabic much later throughout their civilization. I know Arabic existed, but it just wasn't as big and major of languages such as Aramaic or Hebrew. Most of the Arabic language were similar dialects in Arabia or the Levant and Fertile Crescent. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 04:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Oh, okay. I was just having trouble finding Arabic works in the script before Muhammad's time and the entire Islamic golden age phenomina. Aramaic was written in both Syriac and Hebrew scripts, Syriac looks a lot like Arabic and I wouldn't be surprised to find that that and the cursive Nabatean created the Arabic script. I'm just wondering if the Ghassanids and Lakhmids actually did use the Arabic script, because I knew those two spoke Arabic as a lingua franca. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 17:50, 17 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Antarah Ibn Shaddad was a prominent Arabian poet and romantist, very popular in Arabic literature and was adopted in latter European works. Then there's Naeim Giladi from Iraq, consider himself to be an Arab Jew. Let's not forget Hussein bin Ali who initiated the Arab Revolt against the Ottomans. Al-Waleed bin Talal would also be a good one to add, one of the world's most wealthy bussiness magnates and then Abdulaziz, founder of Saudi Arabia. I think there should be new row for these people in the mosaic. What you guys think? 06:04, 31 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Oh, okay I see. Actually there is a picture on the Antarah ibn Shaddad page, you can just crop the picture of him in the drawing although I'm not sure of all the policies and stuff. Naeim Giladi came up with the concept of an "Arab Jew", an Arab of the Jewish faith because during the Israeli-Palestinean Conflict, everything thought an Arab Jews was just impossible. The guy also didn't support Zionist Israel. The only reason I came with three or more other people was to equalize the amount the pictures on each row. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 06:30, 31 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Much of the Arab World was under French colonization, so many Arabs I know speak French as a second or third language. Then you have the Arabs from Israel, who speak Hebrew as a second language. What do you guys think? PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 04:57, 12 February 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
What about their genetics? Are they mixed Asians with Africans? Or are they a mix of everything? Why do some have curly hair and Turks or Persian straight hair? Why did these Arabs want to (immigrate) live in desert land? Why do Arabs not speak an Indo-European language, they are very close related to southern Europeans and Iranians? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.180.49.4 ( talk) 03:20, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Where is the evidence that Philip, Balqis, Isaac, Are Arabs? -- محبةالكتب ( talk) 21:52, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I was surprised to discover that there is also an article on "Arabian people", making some kind of artificial distinction between the Arab people as a whole and the Arabs of Arabian peninsula in particular. It is quiet obvious that Arab peoples have their genesis in Arabia (Qahtani Arabs) and the Levant (Adnani Arabs) and since there is already an article on Qahtanites, i see no reason to differ Arabians and Arabs. I herewith propose to merge. Greyshark09 ( talk) 19:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I find only two rows in the infobox really insufficient for the representation of such a large ethnicity, and maybe even the people currently chosen aren't the best 8 possible representatives of Arabs. There, I propose adding a third row for a wider representation, and making few other changes. My suggestion would be; a modern noble prize winner ( Naguib Mahfouz), a prominent politician (maybe Boutros Boutros-Ghali), a modern diaspora prominent figure (like Carlos Slim or Carlos Menem), and a prominent Arab spring figure (like Mohamed Bouazizi or Tawakkol Karman). I also suggest replacing Al-Kindi with Ibn Khaldun and replacing Al-khansa with Al-Mutanabbi, as the latter two are much more widely known -- aad_Dira ( talk) 19:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC).
There should be a note about the fact that most western people believe "Arab" to mean Ethnically Bedouin. When in actually most Arabs are Eygptian, Caucasion (Jordan/Syria) or Berber. 216.46.26.2 ( talk) 04:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Don't forget Arabian, Egyptian Arabs are descendants of Arabian migrants to Egypt. The Caucasian Arabs are mostly the Levantine. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 06:00, 31 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Berbers are not Arabs, but i agree with you that most of arabs actually are sedentaries. Teranosor ( talk) 14:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
THERE IS AN ISSUE TO BE CLEARED UP. SOME CONTRIBUTORS HAVE CLASSIFIED THE ARABS AS A SEMITIC PEOPLE. ARABIC IS A SEMITIC LANGUAGE, HOWEVER THE PEOPLE WE NOW CONSIDER ARABS OUTSIDE OF ASIA LARGELY SPOKE NON-SEMITIC LANGUAGES IN THE PAST (PRE-7TH CENTURY CE). THIS SIGNIFIES THAT LANGUAGE AND RACE/ETHNICITY ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS. EGYPT IS THE CENTRE OF THE MODERN ARAB WORLD CIVILIZATION AND ITS PHYSICAL PEOPLE SPENT MOST OF THEIR EXISTENCE AS HAMITIC SPEAKERS; THEIR GENESIS AND DEVELOPMENT WAS EXCLUSIVE TO NORTH EAST AFRICA. THOUGH STILL HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC, IT WOULD BE MORE DEFENSIBLE TO CALL EGYPTIANS HAMITES RATHER THAN SEMITES. IN FACT PHARAONIC EGYPTIANS HAD A STRONG ANTIPATHY TO THE (LEVANTINE) SEMITICS SPEAKERS TO THEIR IMMEDIATE EAST; ANCIENT EGYPTIAN IMAGES DEPICTED THE LEVANTINE PEOPLE AS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT KIND OF HUMAN, DESCRIBING THEM AS THE "VILE ASIATICS." WHEN THE ASIATIC HYKSOS INFILTRATED EGYPT, THE EGYPTIANS WERE SURPRISED TO FIND THEM IMITATING FACETS OF EGYPTIAN CIVILISATION. IN THE 16TH CENTURY BCE, THE PHARAOH AHMOSE I PUSHED THE ASIATICS BACK INTO ASIA WHERE THEY REMAINED UNTIL THE 7TH CENTURY CE, WHEREUPON THEY RETURNED WITH BETTER INSTRUMENTS OF CONQUEST AND SUCCEEDED IN A LENGTHY CONQUEST. MY POINT IS JUST BECAUSE THE ASIATICS/SEMITIC SPEAKERS HAVE CAPTURED THE MIND AND EMOTIONS OF THE EGYPTIAN PEOPLE, IT DOES NOT MEAN THE PHYSICAL BEING HAS BEEN REPLACED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TAHRIR1550BC ( talk • contribs) 18:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
YES I KNOW THE TERM "HAMITIC" IS PROBLEMATIC, I SAID THAT IN MY COMMENT. SEMITIC TOO IS PROBLEMATIC DESPITE YOUR ABSENT ADMISSION OF THIS. DO YOU REALLY THINK "SEMITIC" IS A VALID CATEGORY AND HAMITIC ONLY "INVALID." ANYHOW YOU SEEM TO MISS THE GIST OF MY COMMENT: THE PEOPLE CATEGORISED AS "ARAB," WHO ARE OUTSIDE ASIA, ARE OVERWHELMINGLY NOT "SEMITIC PEOPLE" (NEAR EASTERNERS). THE PHRASE "SEMITIC PEOPLE" LEAVES FAR TOO MUCH ROOM TO INTERPRET IT RACIALLY AND ETHNICALLY. IF MEANT, THIS WOULD BE A MISNOMER IF APPLIED TO THE LIKES OF THE EGYPTIANS. FUNNY THAT YOU MENTION "AFRO-ASIATIC," IT APPEARS ONCE, WHEREAS "SEMITIC" APPEARS AS MANY TIMES AS IP ADDRESSES FROM THE LEVANT CONNECTED TO THIS PAGE. WHATEVER CLASSIFICATION YOU CHOOSE "AFRO-ASIATIC" OR "HAMITO-SEMITIC," EGYPTIANS HAVE SPENT MOST OF THEIR EXISTENCE OUTSIDE OF THE "SEMITIC SPEAKING WORLD". "SEMITIC" ARABIC CAME ONLY RECENTLY IN EGYPT'S LIFE-SPAN, AND THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT IT WERE MEAGRE IN LIGHT OF THE NUMBERS OF THE NATIVES. THEREFORE EGYPTIANS SPEAK A "SEMITIC" LANGUAGE BUT ARE PHYSICAL DESCENDANTS OF THE NATIVES WHO DID NOT SPEAK THIS SEMITIC LANGUAGE BEFORE IT ARRIVED IN THE 7TH CENTURY? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TAHRIR1550BC ( talk • contribs) 20:11, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Most however have direct or partial ancestral relation to the nomadic indigenous inhabitants of the Arabian peninsula and the Syrian desert, known as Qahtanite and Adnanite Arabs.
On the face of it, this claim may seem plausible to the casual reader. To some, perhaps, it is self-evident. Nonetheless, it is unsupported by any citation. Further, it's important to distinguish between this assertion and the similar but not identical assertion that most or many of those who consider themselves Arabs would claim a direct or partial ancestral relation to the nomadic indigenous inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula and the Syrian Desert. In general, the transmission of cultural, linguistic, religious, scientific, technological and economic identifiers will be accompanied by the physical movement of warriors and traders, political leaders and administrators, religious leaders, clerics, scientists, technologists, philosophers, poets, artists, musicians and others. Nonetheless, the extent of the physical movement remains one of the most mysterious and important, interesting and largely unsolved questions of our time. 124.186.93.5 ( talk) 02:21, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
The Arab population section includes three countries that aren't member states of the Arab League ( Chad, Eritrea, and Israel), yet does not include Comoros and Somalia, that needs to be fixed. Charles Essie ( talk) 23:05, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Okay, so half the pictures aren't even licensed let alone that half the people aren't really good representative of the large Arab race. Restore the old mosaic and actually add some importants on there. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 23:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
But look, as for the Islamic prophet Muhammad, I do not see any reason for opposition, for images is against Christian ideals too but John of Damascus is in there, and Muhammad is the founder of the world's second largest growing religion. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 04:28, 10 August 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior
I actually can agree with Queen of Sheba, who was really more Ethiopian rather an Arab. But Jethro, the Midianite priest is perhaps another good ancient and pre-Islamic Arab, although there may not be any good pictures and one may have to crop the painting on his article. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 00:23, 28 September 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
And with all respect to Islam, a lot of the Muslims need to realize that this isn't Islam Wiki, and I seriously think that a picture of the Islamic prophet Muhammad would be a good addition. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 21:57, 9 October 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
So let me get this straight, my edits are reverted by a random IP user who doesn't even have a talk page. And where the hell are these "discussions" as to who should be in the mosaic? Gosh we have some serious buffoons running this article... PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 00:16, 21 October 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Why put pictures of some personalities like Mohammed Abdo? There are a lot of Arab personalities that deserve to be placed instead of him, a person ethnically - descended from African origin -- 159.0.116.55 ( talk) 14:47, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Most "Arabs" these days are part African due to the African-Slave trade that brought several million Africans into Arab lands in the past. So it matters not that that man shows some African features. You can find people in Saudi Arabia itself who look more African than he does. 107.222.205.242 ( talk) 21:25, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
please dont lie about arabs and your millionf of slave ! first of all slaves was eunuques wich mean arabs cuted there penis for those people dont reproduct ! so never say than most arabs have something in common with the afrian slave ! king abdullah of saudia arabia he is a pure arab the majority of the arabs people are still arab the only mixed people are about 0 & 10 %and those people are not considered as arabs but as slave ! si if you put a picture of an arab put picture of AN ARAB not a king of sudanese or somalian ! and i want to say that BALQIS the queen sheba was not arab she was part of south yemen and she was sabeans not arab so please remove his picture he had nothing in comon with th arabs and the arabs never enslaved million of peiple on their lands ! the arabs were navigator they had slave on sudan,comoros,east africa,west africa but not in their homeland the arabs leaved the arabic peninsula a enslaved people on their own country like sudanese and other ethncic.
In a reply to two conversions above this one, I propose a mosaic of 32 Arabs instead of 20, you can say it's a lot but come on, take a look at the Russians article, they got 32 because they are a big race like the Arabs and I believe 32 people should be a good deal for a large race.
I've added
Fairuz because I feel like she's a really good example of an assimilated Arab and she sings Pan-Arab music and
Ralph Nader and
Carlos Ghosn are diaspora Arabs and they both still speak Arabic as a native language.
I don't know why Sudan isn't represented on the current-existing mosaic so I've put two Sudanese figures on here Zainab Badawi who you can basically consider the Sudanese counterpart to Raghida Dergham, and John of Damascus is an important very important figure of the church, and Bilal ibn Rabah an Afro-Arab was the first to call Muslims to prayer.
As for Elagabalus and Julia Domna, they were still Roman emperors although not as prominent as Philip the Arab. I don't know why Zenobia isn't in the current mosaic either, apparently her descent meets a lot of controversy but Queen of Sheba's does too. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 19:13, 28 December 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
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The figure given for the Brazilian Arab population appears to be wrong by a factor of 10. It should be 1.2 million not 12 million. See article (and references) on Brazilian ethnicity.
I will change it soon unless anyone objects here.
Keithbowden ( talk) 13:32, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
That study wasn't a census, it would be also naive to think you could count people according to origin that way. The Brazilian census doesn't include the number of people according to origin, that link there was only a study. I mean, 64% of the people answered to be of Brazilian ethnicity. So what's Brazilian ethnicity? Does that mean they are native-brazilians? According to your thinking 64& of the Brazilian population would be native-brazilians... That doesn't sound right...
http://veja.abril.com.br/041000/p_122.html read this whole article and you'll see that there are circa 7 millions lebanese-brazilians. This doesn't include Arabs from other countries. I guess you understand Portuguese. http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200505/the.arabs.of.brazil.htm http://cags.org.ae/cbc01ar.pdf This one claims there are circa 12 million brazilians of arab descent.
http://wlcu-lb.com/en/articles/brazil-has-more-lebanese-than-lebanon/
Youri —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.132.113.206 ( talk) 04:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
There is still a huge discrepancy between the two figures given for the number of Arabs in Brazil: one says 164,000 and the other 6,000,000. 164,000 is obviously extremely wrong: the study that is referenced only takes into account about 34 million people out of the roughly 190 millions people in Brazil. And the question asked is "what origin do you consider yourself of", with an open answer, so answers fall both in ethnicity and country of origin categories. So this figure is most likely way underestimated. I didn't have time and couldn't locate the figure of 6,000,000 in the other reference, though. Anyway, if noone opposes that, I will replace the figure of 164,000 by the 6,000,000 one. Because 164,000 is undoubtedly wrong, and 6,000,000 is possibly right. Does anyone have some useful information? Other figures? Tanynep talk 19:23, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Come on guys...these figures are WAY lower then reality. From the first part of the Lebanese Brazilian Wikipedia page---"The population of Brazil identifying with either full or partial Lebanese descent is estimated at between 7 to 10 million people. This number of immigrants is larger than the population in Lebanon. Immigration of the Lebanese (and Syrians) to Brazil started in the late 19th century, most of them coming from Lebanon and later from Syria." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.251.92 ( talk) 03:53, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
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Please remove the reference to Bernard Lewis who is considered not a reliable scholar and employs propaganstic writing. Please make reference to Albert Hourani instead.
Dasdas00 ( talk) 11:01, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
First section -- "(with language tending to be the acid test),..." Does this mean that language tends to be a signifier for someone who is Arab? I have no sources to back up the accuracy of this statement or not, but "acid test" is very unusual English. 'Litmus test' is much more frequent and useful. Or, change the statement altogether: "In addition to including all Arabized people of the world, with language acting as one signifier, it has also occassionally been used exclusively..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekeffel ( talk • contribs) 22:57, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Favorable Anti-Arab taste overwhelming this pathetic propaganda-full Wikipedia page.. It is just disgusting how people here and there try to marginalize the Arabs in everything and degrading them, stripping them off anything.. we are sick of it! Definitely, this is what gives Wikipedia , not a bad, but an UGLY reputation..
- Therefore, I did a minor edit in the History section: Early history ("Ancient Arabs"): "Ancient Arabs", tribes that had vanished or been destroyed, such as ʿĀd and Thamud, often mentioned in the Qur'an as examples of God's power to destroy "wicked people".
Into: .. examples of God's power to destroy those who did not believe and follow their prophets and messengers. (as clarified in the Holy Qur'an). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rewayah ( talk • contribs) 12:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
What are the names of the Arab people making science? Let's be more specific. I looked more into it to help in finding it but the only names I've found Avicenna, Jābir ibn Hayyān or Rhazes were PERSIANS! Let's help in finding real Arabs here Merewyn ( talk) 13:04, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Dzlinker and I disagree on whether to put "panethnicity" in bold in the very first sentence. I agree it's important, but WP:MOSBOLD explicitly lists the appropriate uses of boldface, and "emphasis" is not among them (in fact it's listed among WP:BADEMPHASIS). Italics may be used for emphasis, but only sparingly, and not just because a fact is important (in contrast to introducing an important term that is then discussed in the article, which "panethnicity" is not). The position in the very first sentence should be sufficient emphasis for that fact. (I also doubt the single most important fact about the Arab people is that they're a panethnicity, but that's debatable.) For these reasons I've again removed the boldface. Huon ( talk) 17:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Dzlinker added an entry on Western Sahara, citing p. 214 of Levinson's Ethnic groups worldwide: a ready reference handbook as a reference. Page 214 of Levinson deals with China, not Western Sahara. That's not even the right continent. Levinson mentions Western Sahara on p. 178, but says nothing about it except that it's occupied by Morocco and that "its status as a nation is under discussion." Levinson's entry on Morocco adds no relevant information, though the Sahrawi population may have been included in the Moroccan statistics (not sure either way). Furthermore, Dzlinker gave Western Sahara's population as "400.000 to 3.000.000", whereas the CIA Factbook gives a number of 522,928. I have no idea where the three million are supposed to come from, but that number is literally incredible. He also linked to the demographics of Western Sahara article, but it does not cover the ethnic composition and does not mention Arabs. Since the total population is dubious (to put it mildly) and no source exists for the percentage of Arabs, I have removed the entry. Huon ( talk) 18:30, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
bull shit article written by arabists specially the funny numbers and table with percentage ratios in the bottom and the reference book. -- MasriDefend ( talk) 02:08, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
funny they invented a new race called eastern hamatic arab wow, arab is arace now, Arabian peninsula people have their race and have mixed with other race. bullshit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MasriDefend ( talk • contribs) 02:12, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
It's common sense that's why I am saying and sorry "bullshit". For the source, wikipedia here is source, there are many article who say other wise here. Arab is an ideology which is not ethnic or race nor arab is a race as the source says, only illiterate people would say that. You can not say that 90% are arab in Egypt first, because it's not an ethinic or race and I am stressing here many times; secondly, you did not survey 90% of Egyptians who say that they are arabist and believe in arabism or nasirists. In Egypt and any where in north Africa many people say they are arab because they want to be from prophet mohamed or because of the influence of nasirism as an ideology and because of Islam is from and arab source and arabic language. Those people are illiterate except the idology where some people believe in arabism and naserism and they are free to do that; however, these people are very small group now specially seeing what this idology brought to their countries such as Egypt, syria, lybia, yemen, and iraq specifically their regimes. Thank u for ur fast response. -- MasriDefend ( talk) 06:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Basically, the word arab in middle east and north african countries now is the same as the word western, or european in europe. Although I don't like the name and that what most people dont like and the dispute mainly is the name since it's originally an ethnecity name of the people of the arabian penesola and I would like it to be replace with the geographic name the same as europe are european and have a european uninue not say english league same as arab league; that's what I hope to be done, to have a north africa middle eastern union instead of arab league. The people of the region share many things the same as europeans share many things such as similar culture and languages. So currently, u say the country of Egypt is arab same as u say the country of England is europeans and not say the percentage of european in England is 90% and btw, Egypt dont have immigrants. Regards -- MasriDefend ( talk) 06:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I dont get what FunkMonk does not like. If u think that Arab is a race then I am sorry ur stupid. If you think 90% of Egyptians are Arab ancestory just check out The Egyptians #Genetic history article and go search for the modern Egyptian DNA. real arabians in Egypt is less than one percent mainly the Bedouins. And I agree with Dzlinker -- MasriDefend ( talk) 18:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
It's widely in the mid east north africa, not new. As I said only illiterate people are who think that they areab for the reasons I stated above so It's not panethinic since many people now day are educated and read their genetic history and know that they are not ethnically arab but are arab by culture and language, in other word, there are similar and common and related cultures and languages and specially religion between the people of mid east north africa and these people recognize it. Dont confuse with arabism or nasirism since its the ideology that of belonging to one "united arab state" and not the individual countries this was popular at the time of ottomn and english colonism in the area but now it very unpopular. I dont understand what kind of source do u need that states that arab is currently other word for the brothers in the mid east north africa region who share many similarities. There is unfortunatly alot of confusion between arab the term and arab the ethnicity. -- MasriDefend ( talk) 20:10, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
What I mean by arab as ethnicity is arab by DNA. -- MasriDefend ( talk) 21:03, 18 July 2012 (UTC) ".. but are arab by culture and language, in other word, there are similar and common and related cultures and languages and specially religion between the people of mid east north africa and these people recognize it."-- MasriDefend ( talk) 21:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Huon please understand, there are similar cultures and languages same similar cultures and language between European and not the same culture and language. -- MasriDefend ( talk) 21:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
omg, Huon please understand, there are similar cultures and languages in the mid east north africa not the same culture and language. The same as Europeans have similar cultures and languages between them and not the same culture and language. Hope u understand it right this time.-- MasriDefend ( talk) 22:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
There is another catastrophic thing about the article, Arabians redirects here !! Arabians are the indigenous people of the Arabian peninsula! Do we agree?? If so i have an other proposition, let us create an article for Arabians, and put a disambiguation tag at the top of each of those two.
There is articles for Berbers (actually two considering Maghrebis) for Egyptians for Syrians and for Mesopotamians, but not for Arabians which redirects to Arab people where we find all the ethnic groups cited before !! despite, and considering the arabians fashion, that doesn't exist anywhere else in the arab world, those people deserve an article for them alone. - Dzlinker ( talk) 22:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
If you claim that there's no such thing as Arab people except people from the Arabian peninsula, you have to explain sources like Levinson saying that there is. When it's your personal opinion against multiple reliable secondary sources, the sources win. Huon ( talk) 10:24, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I already said what I wanted to say. Quran and hadith in the times of islam specially hadiths(talks) used to refer by arab as the inhabitant of arabian peninsula. TO sum up this issue:
1)there are similar and common and related cultures and languages and specially religion between the people of mid east north africa and these people recognize it wrongly by using the term arab today effected from 2 and 3. The same as Europeans have similar cultures and languages between them and not the same culture and language.
2) Many people that are not educated enough wrongly think that since we speak "Arabic" as they are all taught sice the islamic times and we are arabs because they think is no way for us to be speaking arabic and be muslim accept by being real arabs, knowing nothing about real arab and we all know today that this is wrong.
3) The arab ideology come from 1 and 2, It's pan-arabism to create one state comprimising whole of mid east and north africa into a state called united arab republic. It has be attempted alot and always failed. This movement is very unpopular today. -- MasriDefend ( talk) 04:19, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
he was going to win not because he was pan arabist but because he was libral, he was not that pan arabist though. anyway do whatever u want -- MasriDefend ( talk) 21:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
THANK GOD, I found the source u badly want. Arab is a geographic term! http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContentP/4/48593/Opinion/The-Republic-of-Egypt.aspx -- MasriDefend ( talk) 05:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
yeah, other sources states solid undisputed facts right. And I am saying that arab is stated as a geographic term and I did not mean the opinion about removing arab from the offical name of the country. Here is a source that say that arab is a "geographic term".-- MasriDefend ( talk) 06:31, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Arjun G. Menon brought the UAE entry in the Arab population section in line with the demographics section of the United Arab Emirates article. Unfortunately that article's numbers bore no relation to the source; in fact, an "arab" demographic not mentioned in the source seems to have been made up, and all other numbers except the natives were too low to make up the difference. Thus I reverted to the old CIA numbers. Huon ( talk) 23:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
I removed the "no evidence has been shown" comment. This is your own personal belief. If you actually have a reliable source that argues that point of view then put it. I don't see "no evidence has been shown" when it comes to the claim that Jews are descendant from Jacob. The Arabized Arabs section is according to Medieval Arab genealogists who took pride to their lineage and recorded who their father were for thousands of years. Plus, Jews and Arabs along with other semitic groups like Assyrians share the same genetic heritage which is obvious since they all come from the same tight region. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.70.35.233 ( talk) 10:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
You can add to the potrait. Omar Sharif Muhammad Ahmad Umm Kulthum, Badr Hari, Semi Khedira, Rafic Hariri, Amin Maalouf,
Rima Fakih,
Naguib Mahfouz ,
Ibn Battuta and Carlos Slim.
95.116.110.65 ( talk) 16:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
"In the 20th century, coinciding with the rise of Pan Arab nationalism, the Muslim world began promoting a history that the Semitic peoples originated from the Arabian peninsula", What Muslim?? Arabs make up at most 20% of the Muslim world, so you can't claim that the "Muslim World" said this or that, while the 80% was silent. And where are the sources? The source provided DOESN'T mention anything about Muslims or Arabs claiming anything.-- BelalSaid ( talk) 03:01, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
I was thinking of replacing John of Damascus with Mariam Baouardy another Arab Christian, although a woman. This would even out the sexes, but not ruin the religious and regional balance we have now. A minus could be that her article isn't very long, and perhaps she is less notable. FunkMonk ( talk) 12:22, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Let's make a survey about who should figure on the next row. I propose 4 people:
File:Ibn khaldoun in a maroccan stamp.jpg
If any other suggestions, please add it (with a portrait) to the list above. Thanks!
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Dzlinker (
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23:53, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
There is 90% arab ancestry cited on the page for egyptians. This is not true, because at the strictest definition arab would mean bedouin. In terms of genetic similarity, there is some similarity between Egyptian "arabs" and other arabs, but it is not any more than there is between Egyptians and Libyans.
If we apply the definition of arab to mean any genetic commonality that arab-speaking countries have, then we would be sure to include a whole bunch of other african and non-arab asian countries (since for example some of these commonalities may be shared by persians, west africans, east africans, etc.)
It is a huge stretch to call Egyptians and Sudanese people arabs. They only consider themselves arabs because of spoken language. -- 04:37, 26 December 2012 174.116.244.90
Hi. I don't think it makes sense to list the Arab League as a region with a x number of Arab people. Firstly, it is a political construct, not an organisation representing Abab people(s)/ nation(s). Secondly, it does not include all the Arab people in the region and includes some non-Arab people. Most Sudanese (even before the partition) are not Arab, Somalia is not Arab, southern Mauritania is not Arab. Then, what about the millions of minorities scattered in most of the countries that make up the League? Finally, Syria has been expelled - so is this counted in in those 280 million people?/ Have Syrians (22,5 million) been deducted from that total? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 16:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
That is true, Arabs from different regions from the Middle East come from different background and lineages. Today, a generic definition of an ethnic Arab is "one who speaks Arabic as a native/first language". Many people in the Arab League like Somalia, Djabouti and Chad mostly speak and learn Arabic as a second language. In Sudan, most of the Arabs are Afro-Arab, Arabized native black populations. They are Arabs by linguistic means to the fact that many Sudanese people speak Arabic as a native language, adhere to its culture as far as lineage goes, they are black natives of Africa. Take a look at the Sudanese Arabs article. Gulf Arabs have a melting pot of ancestry and origin, including Arabian, Persian, Indian and Turkish ancestries. Yemeni Arabs, Levantine Arabs and Gulf Arabs barely have any resemblances in ancestry. Most of Yemen's and North Arabia's Arabs are descendants of Abraham. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 00:10, 15 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
I understand he came from the Roman province of Arabia, what is now Syria. I'm starting to question the validity of him being an actual Arab, did he even speak or learn Arabic or an Arabian dialect? It seems he only spoke Latin, Greek and/or Aramaic. I see it like Queen Zenobia, her ethnic origin is in dispute of whether she came from an Aramaic or an Arabic-speaking family. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 00:16, 15 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
I really guess Philip the Arab was included in the table because he was native to Syria, people there were considered "Arabs" or "Arabians" at the time, regardless of whether they spoke Arabic or not and some Arabs consider the term to be one of lineage or bloodline, he's on the 100 Syrian pound note but so is Queen Zenobia. Same concept with the Himyarites and Nabateans, they weren't Arabic-speakers either, they spoke the Himyarite, Hebrew and Aramaic languages and most accept them as Arabs. If Philip the Arab is removed, I'd probably suggest putting Al-Waleed Bin Talal, a bussiness magnate from Saudi Arabia or perhaps an Al-Nahdi figure like Emil Habibi. Or else we may just have to leave it empty and live with 5 pictures instead. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 18:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Well, I'll believe you on that since you mentioned sources. Can you list some of these sources? The Nabateans spoke Arabic much later throughout their civilization. I know Arabic existed, but it just wasn't as big and major of languages such as Aramaic or Hebrew. Most of the Arabic language were similar dialects in Arabia or the Levant and Fertile Crescent. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 04:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Oh, okay. I was just having trouble finding Arabic works in the script before Muhammad's time and the entire Islamic golden age phenomina. Aramaic was written in both Syriac and Hebrew scripts, Syriac looks a lot like Arabic and I wouldn't be surprised to find that that and the cursive Nabatean created the Arabic script. I'm just wondering if the Ghassanids and Lakhmids actually did use the Arabic script, because I knew those two spoke Arabic as a lingua franca. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 17:50, 17 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Antarah Ibn Shaddad was a prominent Arabian poet and romantist, very popular in Arabic literature and was adopted in latter European works. Then there's Naeim Giladi from Iraq, consider himself to be an Arab Jew. Let's not forget Hussein bin Ali who initiated the Arab Revolt against the Ottomans. Al-Waleed bin Talal would also be a good one to add, one of the world's most wealthy bussiness magnates and then Abdulaziz, founder of Saudi Arabia. I think there should be new row for these people in the mosaic. What you guys think? 06:04, 31 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Oh, okay I see. Actually there is a picture on the Antarah ibn Shaddad page, you can just crop the picture of him in the drawing although I'm not sure of all the policies and stuff. Naeim Giladi came up with the concept of an "Arab Jew", an Arab of the Jewish faith because during the Israeli-Palestinean Conflict, everything thought an Arab Jews was just impossible. The guy also didn't support Zionist Israel. The only reason I came with three or more other people was to equalize the amount the pictures on each row. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 06:30, 31 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Much of the Arab World was under French colonization, so many Arabs I know speak French as a second or third language. Then you have the Arabs from Israel, who speak Hebrew as a second language. What do you guys think? PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 04:57, 12 February 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
What about their genetics? Are they mixed Asians with Africans? Or are they a mix of everything? Why do some have curly hair and Turks or Persian straight hair? Why did these Arabs want to (immigrate) live in desert land? Why do Arabs not speak an Indo-European language, they are very close related to southern Europeans and Iranians? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.180.49.4 ( talk) 03:20, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Where is the evidence that Philip, Balqis, Isaac, Are Arabs? -- محبةالكتب ( talk) 21:52, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I was surprised to discover that there is also an article on "Arabian people", making some kind of artificial distinction between the Arab people as a whole and the Arabs of Arabian peninsula in particular. It is quiet obvious that Arab peoples have their genesis in Arabia (Qahtani Arabs) and the Levant (Adnani Arabs) and since there is already an article on Qahtanites, i see no reason to differ Arabians and Arabs. I herewith propose to merge. Greyshark09 ( talk) 19:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I find only two rows in the infobox really insufficient for the representation of such a large ethnicity, and maybe even the people currently chosen aren't the best 8 possible representatives of Arabs. There, I propose adding a third row for a wider representation, and making few other changes. My suggestion would be; a modern noble prize winner ( Naguib Mahfouz), a prominent politician (maybe Boutros Boutros-Ghali), a modern diaspora prominent figure (like Carlos Slim or Carlos Menem), and a prominent Arab spring figure (like Mohamed Bouazizi or Tawakkol Karman). I also suggest replacing Al-Kindi with Ibn Khaldun and replacing Al-khansa with Al-Mutanabbi, as the latter two are much more widely known -- aad_Dira ( talk) 19:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC).
There should be a note about the fact that most western people believe "Arab" to mean Ethnically Bedouin. When in actually most Arabs are Eygptian, Caucasion (Jordan/Syria) or Berber. 216.46.26.2 ( talk) 04:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Don't forget Arabian, Egyptian Arabs are descendants of Arabian migrants to Egypt. The Caucasian Arabs are mostly the Levantine. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 06:00, 31 January 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Berbers are not Arabs, but i agree with you that most of arabs actually are sedentaries. Teranosor ( talk) 14:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
THERE IS AN ISSUE TO BE CLEARED UP. SOME CONTRIBUTORS HAVE CLASSIFIED THE ARABS AS A SEMITIC PEOPLE. ARABIC IS A SEMITIC LANGUAGE, HOWEVER THE PEOPLE WE NOW CONSIDER ARABS OUTSIDE OF ASIA LARGELY SPOKE NON-SEMITIC LANGUAGES IN THE PAST (PRE-7TH CENTURY CE). THIS SIGNIFIES THAT LANGUAGE AND RACE/ETHNICITY ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS. EGYPT IS THE CENTRE OF THE MODERN ARAB WORLD CIVILIZATION AND ITS PHYSICAL PEOPLE SPENT MOST OF THEIR EXISTENCE AS HAMITIC SPEAKERS; THEIR GENESIS AND DEVELOPMENT WAS EXCLUSIVE TO NORTH EAST AFRICA. THOUGH STILL HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC, IT WOULD BE MORE DEFENSIBLE TO CALL EGYPTIANS HAMITES RATHER THAN SEMITES. IN FACT PHARAONIC EGYPTIANS HAD A STRONG ANTIPATHY TO THE (LEVANTINE) SEMITICS SPEAKERS TO THEIR IMMEDIATE EAST; ANCIENT EGYPTIAN IMAGES DEPICTED THE LEVANTINE PEOPLE AS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT KIND OF HUMAN, DESCRIBING THEM AS THE "VILE ASIATICS." WHEN THE ASIATIC HYKSOS INFILTRATED EGYPT, THE EGYPTIANS WERE SURPRISED TO FIND THEM IMITATING FACETS OF EGYPTIAN CIVILISATION. IN THE 16TH CENTURY BCE, THE PHARAOH AHMOSE I PUSHED THE ASIATICS BACK INTO ASIA WHERE THEY REMAINED UNTIL THE 7TH CENTURY CE, WHEREUPON THEY RETURNED WITH BETTER INSTRUMENTS OF CONQUEST AND SUCCEEDED IN A LENGTHY CONQUEST. MY POINT IS JUST BECAUSE THE ASIATICS/SEMITIC SPEAKERS HAVE CAPTURED THE MIND AND EMOTIONS OF THE EGYPTIAN PEOPLE, IT DOES NOT MEAN THE PHYSICAL BEING HAS BEEN REPLACED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TAHRIR1550BC ( talk • contribs) 18:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
YES I KNOW THE TERM "HAMITIC" IS PROBLEMATIC, I SAID THAT IN MY COMMENT. SEMITIC TOO IS PROBLEMATIC DESPITE YOUR ABSENT ADMISSION OF THIS. DO YOU REALLY THINK "SEMITIC" IS A VALID CATEGORY AND HAMITIC ONLY "INVALID." ANYHOW YOU SEEM TO MISS THE GIST OF MY COMMENT: THE PEOPLE CATEGORISED AS "ARAB," WHO ARE OUTSIDE ASIA, ARE OVERWHELMINGLY NOT "SEMITIC PEOPLE" (NEAR EASTERNERS). THE PHRASE "SEMITIC PEOPLE" LEAVES FAR TOO MUCH ROOM TO INTERPRET IT RACIALLY AND ETHNICALLY. IF MEANT, THIS WOULD BE A MISNOMER IF APPLIED TO THE LIKES OF THE EGYPTIANS. FUNNY THAT YOU MENTION "AFRO-ASIATIC," IT APPEARS ONCE, WHEREAS "SEMITIC" APPEARS AS MANY TIMES AS IP ADDRESSES FROM THE LEVANT CONNECTED TO THIS PAGE. WHATEVER CLASSIFICATION YOU CHOOSE "AFRO-ASIATIC" OR "HAMITO-SEMITIC," EGYPTIANS HAVE SPENT MOST OF THEIR EXISTENCE OUTSIDE OF THE "SEMITIC SPEAKING WORLD". "SEMITIC" ARABIC CAME ONLY RECENTLY IN EGYPT'S LIFE-SPAN, AND THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT IT WERE MEAGRE IN LIGHT OF THE NUMBERS OF THE NATIVES. THEREFORE EGYPTIANS SPEAK A "SEMITIC" LANGUAGE BUT ARE PHYSICAL DESCENDANTS OF THE NATIVES WHO DID NOT SPEAK THIS SEMITIC LANGUAGE BEFORE IT ARRIVED IN THE 7TH CENTURY? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TAHRIR1550BC ( talk • contribs) 20:11, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Most however have direct or partial ancestral relation to the nomadic indigenous inhabitants of the Arabian peninsula and the Syrian desert, known as Qahtanite and Adnanite Arabs.
On the face of it, this claim may seem plausible to the casual reader. To some, perhaps, it is self-evident. Nonetheless, it is unsupported by any citation. Further, it's important to distinguish between this assertion and the similar but not identical assertion that most or many of those who consider themselves Arabs would claim a direct or partial ancestral relation to the nomadic indigenous inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula and the Syrian Desert. In general, the transmission of cultural, linguistic, religious, scientific, technological and economic identifiers will be accompanied by the physical movement of warriors and traders, political leaders and administrators, religious leaders, clerics, scientists, technologists, philosophers, poets, artists, musicians and others. Nonetheless, the extent of the physical movement remains one of the most mysterious and important, interesting and largely unsolved questions of our time. 124.186.93.5 ( talk) 02:21, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
The Arab population section includes three countries that aren't member states of the Arab League ( Chad, Eritrea, and Israel), yet does not include Comoros and Somalia, that needs to be fixed. Charles Essie ( talk) 23:05, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Okay, so half the pictures aren't even licensed let alone that half the people aren't really good representative of the large Arab race. Restore the old mosaic and actually add some importants on there. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 23:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
But look, as for the Islamic prophet Muhammad, I do not see any reason for opposition, for images is against Christian ideals too but John of Damascus is in there, and Muhammad is the founder of the world's second largest growing religion. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 04:28, 10 August 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior
I actually can agree with Queen of Sheba, who was really more Ethiopian rather an Arab. But Jethro, the Midianite priest is perhaps another good ancient and pre-Islamic Arab, although there may not be any good pictures and one may have to crop the painting on his article. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 00:23, 28 September 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
And with all respect to Islam, a lot of the Muslims need to realize that this isn't Islam Wiki, and I seriously think that a picture of the Islamic prophet Muhammad would be a good addition. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 21:57, 9 October 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
So let me get this straight, my edits are reverted by a random IP user who doesn't even have a talk page. And where the hell are these "discussions" as to who should be in the mosaic? Gosh we have some serious buffoons running this article... PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 00:16, 21 October 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
Why put pictures of some personalities like Mohammed Abdo? There are a lot of Arab personalities that deserve to be placed instead of him, a person ethnically - descended from African origin -- 159.0.116.55 ( talk) 14:47, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Most "Arabs" these days are part African due to the African-Slave trade that brought several million Africans into Arab lands in the past. So it matters not that that man shows some African features. You can find people in Saudi Arabia itself who look more African than he does. 107.222.205.242 ( talk) 21:25, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
please dont lie about arabs and your millionf of slave ! first of all slaves was eunuques wich mean arabs cuted there penis for those people dont reproduct ! so never say than most arabs have something in common with the afrian slave ! king abdullah of saudia arabia he is a pure arab the majority of the arabs people are still arab the only mixed people are about 0 & 10 %and those people are not considered as arabs but as slave ! si if you put a picture of an arab put picture of AN ARAB not a king of sudanese or somalian ! and i want to say that BALQIS the queen sheba was not arab she was part of south yemen and she was sabeans not arab so please remove his picture he had nothing in comon with th arabs and the arabs never enslaved million of peiple on their lands ! the arabs were navigator they had slave on sudan,comoros,east africa,west africa but not in their homeland the arabs leaved the arabic peninsula a enslaved people on their own country like sudanese and other ethncic.
In a reply to two conversions above this one, I propose a mosaic of 32 Arabs instead of 20, you can say it's a lot but come on, take a look at the Russians article, they got 32 because they are a big race like the Arabs and I believe 32 people should be a good deal for a large race.
I've added
Fairuz because I feel like she's a really good example of an assimilated Arab and she sings Pan-Arab music and
Ralph Nader and
Carlos Ghosn are diaspora Arabs and they both still speak Arabic as a native language.
I don't know why Sudan isn't represented on the current-existing mosaic so I've put two Sudanese figures on here Zainab Badawi who you can basically consider the Sudanese counterpart to Raghida Dergham, and John of Damascus is an important very important figure of the church, and Bilal ibn Rabah an Afro-Arab was the first to call Muslims to prayer.
As for Elagabalus and Julia Domna, they were still Roman emperors although not as prominent as Philip the Arab. I don't know why Zenobia isn't in the current mosaic either, apparently her descent meets a lot of controversy but Queen of Sheba's does too. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 19:13, 28 December 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101