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Changed the wording:
Though not recognized by Saudi Arabia and many other Arab states
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Though not recognized as an Arab state.
I don't think we need to discuss the legitimacy of Israel's existence here. -- Anatoli ( talk) 00:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
it say in article "after world war II". What did the Arab states do during world war II? Were they alias of the axis powers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.151.114 ( talk) 19:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
I plan on making a change to the map, wherein Algeria's native Tamazight (Berber) language should be recognized as a national language as it has been since 2002 (see Languages of Algeria). If anyone has a problem with this, please let me know. -- Lanternix ( talk) 21:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Why "Algeria" in particular? Morocco has more Berber speakers than Algeria , overal 80% have Algerian Arabic as a native language . There are also linguistical minorities in Lebanon and Iraq , as well as Lybia and Egypt. I don't understand why you put only Algeria in blue... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekarfi13 ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
The population of native Arabic speakers is more than 350 which puts Arabic in the second place after Chinese in terms of the number of native speaker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.18.27 ( talk) 19:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Can we discuss the population rather than continue to edit war over it? One of the last reverters mentioned that the Arab League had figures to support the higher number. It did check out so I left it. Any problems with that? Student7 ( talk) 13:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
I have adjusted the layout in the language section to separate the members of the League of Arab States from other non-AL countries, as the former are all traditionally considered part of the Arab world whereas the latter typically aren't (c.f. [1]). Middayexpress ( talk) 19:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
The maps we have on this page will very soon be inaccurate starting July 9, 2011 when the South Sudan Republic is declared. South Sudan has practically no Arabic language (except for a negligible tiny tiny minority perhaps) and it is certainly not part of the Arab League. Both maps need to be revised starting July 9, 2011. The maps that need revision: File:Arabic speaking world.svg, File:Arab League members colored by joining date.svg, File:Dispersión lengua árabe.png (also needs to be angicized -- it is not acceptable in English Wikipedia as it stands now) File:Maghrib.PNG, File:Mashriq.PNG werldwayd ( talk) 18:19, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I do not ipso facto have anything against mentioning that there are alternative definitions of the Arab world to the standard one cited above and below. However, your addition to the article the assertion that "in combination with, the Arab League definition discussed above, the Arab world may be defined as consisting of those states or territories in which the majority of the population is Arab and/or speaks Arabic, and may even include Arab or Arabic-speaking populations outside the traditional Arab world" is not entirely supported by the cited source (c.f. [19]). In fact, the source states that the Arab world is traditionally coextensive with the territories in the Arab League i.e. the standard definition of the Arab world: "No universally accepted definition of 'the Arab world' exists, but it is generally assumed to include the twenty-two countries belonging to the Arab League that have a combined population of about 280 million". It just adds that, for the purposes of the book, it extends that standard definition to include Arab-speaking populations in the diaspora or places where use of Arabic is at least considered to be critical to identity: "For the purposes of this introduction, this territorial definition is combined with a linguistic one (use of the Arabic language, or its recognition as critical to identity), and thereby extended into multiple diasporas, especially the Americas, Europe, Southeast Asia, West Africa, and Australia". I have adjusted the text and layout to reflect this. In future, per WP:BRD, please discuss any augmentations you wish to make to the standard definition of the Arab world, so that they may be evaluated in terms of seeing if they pass Wikipedia's fringe threshold and are proportional to their prominence in reliable sources per WP:WEIGHT. Middayexpress ( talk) 19:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
This seems mainly vanity. What do areas mean? At least comparing Tunisia and Algeria with Alaska have meaning. There's nothing but empty uninhabitable space any of them! But it seems to make them all non-notable, rather than notable. So what that the Gobi desert is "bigger than" Death Valley? Not sure what that proves. Student7 ( talk) 21:23, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I have left this point on the discussion to the map on this page. Israel is highlighted in green along with the other arab states. Given that the map itself separates Israel from Gaza and the West Bank, it is more appropriate and correct to leave Israel blank, and only to highlight in green those territories. I do believe the author of the map doesn't have a talk page Colt .55 ( talk) 11:46, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
"The total GDP of all Arab countries in 1999 was US$531.2 billion. By contrast, the GDP of Spain that year was US$595.5 billion."
Apart from being propagandistic, the statement is simply untrue. According to the CIA data for 1999, Spain's GDP was US&645 billion while the total GDP of only five Arab countries - Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia - amounted to US$670,2 billion.
Please update, [34], and [35], cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.59.83.56 ( talk) 12:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
This artikel is absoultely misleading and wrote by Arab nationalist.
1. Arab world doesn’t exist, it’s a racist and fascist to call North Africans Arabs.
2. Arab/Arabic is a name for a NATION, and nation that lives and exist only in the Middle east according to all none facist and racist historians and scientist around the whole world.
3. Morocco or the Maghreb, which is ethnically and genetically Amazigh(Berber) according to all historians and scientist.
4. In the Maghreb we speak 4 different Tamazight(Berbers) languages and an Arabic_Berber language which we call Darija. NO ONE SPEAKS ARABIC.
5. Arabic as language is only used by the government and the press and is used in schools. This is and was NOT the choice of the nation but of Tyrannical dictators like Khaddafi and Hosni Mubarak etc etc. There is NO freedom of speech or organisation in North Africa. People can’t choose their leader like the westerners have done for the past 500 years. This article is absolutely a racist and fascist article against the North Africans who ever never ever asked to be called Arabs. 6.why don't know why you Amazigh hate the arab, i am algerian and i love you amazigh but when i read comments like that i feel very sad for the gap that between us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.100.125.58 ( talk) 07:05, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
This artikel is full of lies from arab nationalist .
No soul in North Africa has ever asked to be marked as an Arab or te be a member of the Arab world.
So I personally don't know how to edit maps and even if I did I'd still need permission but 2 things. 1 shouldn't the West Bank and Gaza Strip be added on the map ? 2 is it possible to get the map in higher pixels ? Bleach143 ( talk) 18:10, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Maltese is an Arabic idiom, and unlike other Arabics uses the latin script. Standard Arabic is not used, unlike many other Arabic speaking countries. Malta is predominately Catholic. There is very little mention of Malta in the article, and no mention of Maltese language. It strikes me as a little odd. Perhaps a mention of why Malta, although speaking arabic and having some historic and cultural ties to the rest of the arab world, is not generally seen as part of the Arab world. I suspect that it is primarily on religious/cultural grounds, that is, it is hard to be a 'real' Arab unless you are also muslim. I might be wrong, but thats what I came looking for in this article: a good explanation of why certain countries are in and others are out. 60.240.207.146 ( talk) 04:20, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
One of the other reasons are that Maltese are genetically distinct from the Arab world, they plot in the gap between Europe and the near east, alongside Sicilians, south Italians and Ashkenazi Jews. Guy355 ( talk) 12:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Please include the total area of the arab world in the article 198.36.40.1 ( talk) 10:14, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Iran arab country? 85.76.164.84 ( talk) 19:38, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The following sentence is from the article: "The standard definition of the Arab world comprises the 22 states and territories of the Arab League (...), with a combined population of around 280 million people". This information is wrong. I would just point out that there's 280 Arabs living in the Arab League, but that's not the total population. In total, there live about 350 million people in the Arab League. DaneOfScandinavy ( talk) 19:13, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
As there seem to be no interest for this article, I will remove this mis-calculated information and replace it with the right number. DaneOfScandinavy ( talk) 13:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- Iran arab country? 85.76.164.84 ( talk) 19:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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If "Arab world" is synonymous with "Arab League", as this article claims, why do we have two articles? Srnec ( talk) 00:15, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
I think there should be a separate article for the history of the Arab world and the Arabic-speaking peoples. History of the Middle East doesn't count because it doesn't cover the Maghreb, neither does history of the Arab League because it only includes the history of the aforementioned organization. Charles Essie ( talk) 16:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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Somali people are not ethnic Arabs, but they identify more with Arabs than Africans due to religious and trade ties with Arabs.
Somalia Business Law Handbook: Strategic Information and Laws. International Business Publications, USA. Aug 1, 2013. p. 48.
ISBN
1-4387-7104-5.
In
Somalia there are only 30,000 Arabs in the country.
"People and Society Somalia -". CIA Factbook.
Libanguled ( talk) 08:38, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Lewis, I. M. (1999).
A Pastoral Democracy: A Study of Pastoralism and Politics Among the Northern Somali of the Horn of Africa. James Currey Publishers. p. 11.
ISBN
0852552807.
). That they aren't ethnically Arab is not particularly meaningful, though, since the Arab world is chiefly comprised of Arabized populations. This is why the CIA also indicates that "although almost all Algerians are Berber in origin (not Arab), only a minority identify themselves as Berber"
[37]. That is, it is referring to the relative degree of Arabization rather than genealogical traditions or ancestry. Most Maghrebis and Egyptians are of related Hamitic ancestral stock, and many Near Easterners are descended from various local Semitic speaking populations rather than from the peninsular Arabs. All speak languages from the Afro-Asiatic (Hamitic-Semitic) family. Anyway, the table is on the population of the various Arab states, not on peninsular Arabs only.
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In the 'Demographics' section, the article states: "Arab League countries are defined by an Arab majority; the Arabic language forms the unifying feature of the Arab world. Though different areas use local varieties of Arabic, all share in the use of the modern standardized language, derived from Classical Arabic (symptomatic of Arabic diglossia). This contrasts with the situation in the wider Islamic world, where in contiguous Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan, Arabic maintains its use in a similar script and retains its cultural prestige primarily as the language of religion and theological scholarship, but where Arabic is not spoken as a vernacular."
This contrast between Arab League countries and the wider Islamic world is extremely muddy--Somalia is exactly as Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan are described here, and yet is a member state. Arabic is an official language for religious reasons and is used liturgically, but not spoken as a vernacular. Given that Somalia, for the most part, consists of neither ethnic Arabs nor Arabic speakers, many of the blanket statements about the League states are glaringly false in relation to Somalia. It seems that Somalia joined the league for political purposes more than anything.
I'm focusing on Somalia here as I know more of it than of the other nations, but I'm sure it's not the only nation where the blanket statements don't all ring true. I don't know what can be done and I suppose it would be madness to individually describe every member state on such a precise level, but I wonder if someone reading this article won't get the wrong impression about some of these nations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.200.71.13 ( talk) 03:44, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Quote from the article "Arab world, also known as the Arab nation (الأمة العربية al-ʾummah al-ʿarabīah), consists of the 22 Arabic-speaking countries of the Arab League.[1]" This makes it seem like Arab world and Arab league are essentially the same thing so why two different articles the article on Arab league details many of the same things in this article ie demographics, history, culture, etc etc.
This whole article reads like a disaster, like a mish-mash of different ideas and completely without any course of direction. There's really no point in editing or improving this article when we have a perfectly good article on Arab league. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Princeton wu ( talk • contribs) 04:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
1) Comoros, Djibouti, and Somalia are members of the Arab League, but are not considered part of the Arab world, i.e. they are not mainly populated by Arab settlers or Arabized local populations
2) Western Sahara is part of the Arab world, but is not a member of the Arab League
3) Arguably, Palestine and Western Sahara are not "states" in the normal understanding of that word, due to their lack of sovereignty
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This article is so misleading as to be essentially useless. It keeps on harping about the Arab World being the countries of the Arab League, a circular sort of logic that's obviously nonsensical. Somalia has a small fraction of people that actually do speak Arabic, but on this and several other pages it's repeatedly referred to as an "Arab state". Chad has far more speakers of Arabic than Somalia, but is not considered an Arab country because it's not a member of the Arab League - the article begins to look like it's about the Arab League rather than about the Arab World. By the same logic that Somalia is considered an Arab state, one would argue that Iran should then have more of a case - given the prevalence of Arabic in Iran and the existence of an actual ethnic Arab population that's actually native to Iran, as compared to Somalia's tiny population of non-native Arab traders. Indeed, Eritrea likely has a larger fraction of Arabic speakers than Somalia. Wikipedia should be informative and neutral, but a quick look at the pages dealing with the Horn of Africa leaves one with the distinct impression that these pages are being used to spread some sort of pan-ethnic propaganda rather than actual knowledge. 14.1.61.17 ( talk) 08:21, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
In English, the "Arab world" usually means the countries and territories populated mainly by Arabs, i.e. essentially native speakers of Arabic. The "League of Arab States" is the name of a supranational organization whose member states all have Standard Arabic as one of their official languages. As such:
Our Arab World infobox map singles out Syria with a separate colour. But yet there is no explanation why Syria is in a different colour? werldwayd ( talk) 04:26, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
There isn't any evidence of a Dubai being anywhere close to 9000 years old. Don't know what the source is but that would make it one of the oldest continuously inhabited settlements in the world, which it definitely is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamalyguy ( talk • contribs) 13:40, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
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The GDP of Arab world mentioned on this page is actually GDP (nominal), not GDP (PPP). The given reference of World Bank too proves that. Therefore, I request that this error should be fixed as soon as possible.
Thanks. عاطف حسن الهندي ( talk) 11:49, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Why is the definition of arab world all the "Arab-speaking" countries ? It gives a false idea of countries like Somalia, Djibouti, Eirtrea, Chad, etc. because they are not ethnically Arabs. Let's just focus on the definition, how can language be the definition for something so ethnical ? Sure Saudi Arabia is an Arab country, but Chad... I think the "Arab World" should be redefined, and the map is misleading. ( Vob08 ( talk) 17:25, 16 January 2009 (CET))
An Arab is person whose first language or mother tongue is Arabic, an he belongs to the specific geographical region called the Arab World. This region's people also share same culture, traditions and customs to the most extent.
As for as Chad is concerned, it is not an Arab country nor it is counted as an Arab country. Somalia, Eritria, Comoros and Djibouti have some Arab and mostly mixed population (Arab+indigenous). Though most of the population there don't speak Arabic as its first language. But they understand Arabic and occasionally speak it. They also share much common culture with the Arabs.
Note :- Eriteria is commonly not considered an Arab nation, most probably because it has also a large number of non-muslim non-Arabized population. عاطف حسن الهندي ( talk) 12:07, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
"...Portuguese rule has, been self-governing since..." should be corrected to "...Portuguese rule, has been self-governing since..."
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I was going to fix some of the citations, but I don't have access to this level of protected articles. Could someone with the appropriate access level please fix them?
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How can I request removal of protection from this article? I want to add content about medieval Arab history and I was able to find out the article is locked because Israel and Palestine are in a dispute. I think this is not a good reason to prohibit editing of an article that spans over a thousand years of history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by شيطان مارد ( talk • contribs) 02:39, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello! I take issue with the map of the Arab World. Syria is in light green as to symbolize its suspension from the Arab League. But the Arab world is different from the Arab League. It is a scholarly and political entity, not a political organization; it cannot be defined by what some intergovernmental council decides to do with its membership. I suggest it be changed to a map from a respected scholarly source defining the geographical Arab World. Best Hanibaal75 ( talk) 11:47, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
@ شرعب السلام: not necessarily a problem, I just replaced it with one that's identical to the previous map, except it included Syria. Musicfan122 ( talk) 15:27, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Looking back, the map included South Sudan, my bad! Musicfan122 ( talk) 15:39, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
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There is nothing about Sabaeans written here, an ancient people of South Arabia, who founded a Kingdom of Saba. They arę mentioned in the Bible. They spoke the Sabaean language, one of the Old South Arabian languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.192.4.27 ( talk) 06:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
They have their own article: Sabaeans. Dimadick ( talk) 10:40, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
In its current version as of 2021-May-05, this article defines the Arab World as being exactly the same thing as the Arab League. If this is accurate, this article should be merged with the Arab League article. If not accurate, this article needs to be re-written in a way that clarifies the difference. My personal understanding is the latter (i.e. the Arab World and the Arab League are not the same and therefore this article needs to be re-written). -- GhanimSharifi ( talk) 15:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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please change ((Spanish)) to ((Spanish language|Spanish)) 2601:541:4580:8500:C5AF:86C2:2715:E82E ( talk) 16:09, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Why isn't South Sudan in this list? Samudragupta007 ( talk) 10:36, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
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I believe there is a comma in the wrong place in the "Ottoman and colonial rule" subsection. Change
" Oman, apart from brief intermittent Persian and Portuguese rule has, been self-governing since the 8th century."
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" Oman, apart from brief intermittent Persian and Portuguese rule, has been self-governing since the 8th century."
(the second comma should be before, not after, the "has"). QuaintlyLittoral ( talk) 14:48, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
This article takes as basis of the Arab World the political block of the Arab League, which is not necesssarily the same thing - should a State leave the League, it would still be part of the Arab world. And the other way round, a State could be part of the Arab League without being really part of the Arab World, i.e. a country where the majority language or at least one major language is Arabic. To me, this seems to be the case of Somalia - it is of course a member of the League, but up to which point it is an "Arab country" or would have been considered such before the League was founded? The text says that "Although Arabic is widely spoken by many people in the north and urban areas in the south, Somali is the most widely used language, and contains many Arabic loan words.[24]". As the source is a print source, I can't check what it says exactly, but the loanword issue is irrelevant, as Somali is a very different language from Arabic and the loanwords are not enough as to suggest any similarity (probably Turkish and Farsi have more). Now, how much "widely spoken" is Arabic in Somalia? Wikipedia's Somalia entry says "2 million Somalis speak it", but not clarifying if they speak it as their mother tongue or as a foreign language; the source is Ethnologue, [38] and The entry there lists strangely enough only two varieties of Arab: "Taizzi-Adenite", which is listed as a Yemeni variant (perhaps there is a small group of Yemeni population in Somalia?) and "Standard Arabic", which is, as we know, an official language in Somalia, but of course no mother tongue to any people. There is no mention of Somali Arabic. Although the Wikipedia entry about Mass media in Somalia lists several media broadcasting in Arabic, besides Somali and English, if you visit the websites of these media, you'll see that there is no Arabic version nor any news in Arabic. All this gives the impression that Arabic is to a very great extent a foreign language in Somalia, just like French would be in Morocco or Algeria or English in many African countries. Shouldn't the specific character of Somalia be explained in the article? If I'm not mistaken, it is the only country in the Arabic League (probably together with Comoros Islands) where Arabic is very little spoken, if any. In all other countries of the League, a local Arabic variant is the mother tongue of at least 50% of the population (Morocco), and normally closer to 80-90%, if not 99%. This seems to me worth mentioning. Ilyacadiz ( talk) 11:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
The largest cities section seems to be inconsistent in its measurements (for example Kuwait making the list on this page vs not being in the top 10 of the section's referenced list. In fact, cities like Algiers that make the top 10 outside of this page aren't included. I feel like this list needs to be cleaned up or at least consistently sourced. Sam Walczak Talk/ Edits 22:21, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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Please change total population of Arab World from 423,000,000 to 436,080,728 (2020). This is based on recent data from the World Bank: https://data.worldbank.org/region/arab-world Jo737 ( talk) 08:30, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Can page 2 or p.2 or p. 2 be added to the Efraim Halevy quotes citation in Modern boundaries? Mcljlm ( talk) 06:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Somalia is not an Arab country, it is a member of the Arab League.
“Arab” is defined as “a member of an Arabic-speaking people”, Somalians speak Somali as their first language, not Arabic which is only spoken by “just over two million” people in a country of over 17 million. WikiMakersOfOurTime ( talk) 07:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
The map does not show Iraq as Arab — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:18:1852:10E3:8896:7553:4A79:346D ( talk) 15:10, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
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Replace the current map (which is also a fake SVG) with the real SVG orthographic projection.
Grey-green orthographic maps are the tradition for use in intercontinental regions, such as the similar Latin America which uses its own orthographic projection, and even the Arab League has an orthographic map. Qbox673 ( talk) 21:06, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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Broken sentence in the first paragraph: "Arabic language, which is used as the lingua franca throughout the Arab world."
Suggested edit: "The Arabic language is used as the lingua franca throughout the Arab world." or something similar Lambda999999999 ( talk) 22:02, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
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In the caption of the image in the film industry section, replace "in" with "at" and link Cairo. Snowstormfigorion ( talk) 23:15, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
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Please make the following change to the article:
− | Ibadi Islam is practiced in Oman, where Ibadis constitute around | + | Ibadi Islam is practiced in Oman, where Ibadis constitute around 35% of Muslims. |
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as it was seen in Islam in Oman. 145.255.120.188 ( talk) 17:33, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
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In the info box, Palestine is listed as one of 22 sovereign nations.
Does that violate WP:NPOV?
The own page for Palestine on Wikipedia says that it's sovereignty is disputed.
Believe Palestine should be listed as a de facto state. 2600:4040:297C:8F00:E5A6:F038:8E03:37FE ( talk) 23:55, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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Though not recognized by Saudi Arabia and many other Arab states
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Though not recognized as an Arab state.
I don't think we need to discuss the legitimacy of Israel's existence here. -- Anatoli ( talk) 00:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
it say in article "after world war II". What did the Arab states do during world war II? Were they alias of the axis powers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.151.114 ( talk) 19:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
I plan on making a change to the map, wherein Algeria's native Tamazight (Berber) language should be recognized as a national language as it has been since 2002 (see Languages of Algeria). If anyone has a problem with this, please let me know. -- Lanternix ( talk) 21:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Why "Algeria" in particular? Morocco has more Berber speakers than Algeria , overal 80% have Algerian Arabic as a native language . There are also linguistical minorities in Lebanon and Iraq , as well as Lybia and Egypt. I don't understand why you put only Algeria in blue... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekarfi13 ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
The population of native Arabic speakers is more than 350 which puts Arabic in the second place after Chinese in terms of the number of native speaker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.18.27 ( talk) 19:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Can we discuss the population rather than continue to edit war over it? One of the last reverters mentioned that the Arab League had figures to support the higher number. It did check out so I left it. Any problems with that? Student7 ( talk) 13:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
I have adjusted the layout in the language section to separate the members of the League of Arab States from other non-AL countries, as the former are all traditionally considered part of the Arab world whereas the latter typically aren't (c.f. [1]). Middayexpress ( talk) 19:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
The maps we have on this page will very soon be inaccurate starting July 9, 2011 when the South Sudan Republic is declared. South Sudan has practically no Arabic language (except for a negligible tiny tiny minority perhaps) and it is certainly not part of the Arab League. Both maps need to be revised starting July 9, 2011. The maps that need revision: File:Arabic speaking world.svg, File:Arab League members colored by joining date.svg, File:Dispersión lengua árabe.png (also needs to be angicized -- it is not acceptable in English Wikipedia as it stands now) File:Maghrib.PNG, File:Mashriq.PNG werldwayd ( talk) 18:19, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I do not ipso facto have anything against mentioning that there are alternative definitions of the Arab world to the standard one cited above and below. However, your addition to the article the assertion that "in combination with, the Arab League definition discussed above, the Arab world may be defined as consisting of those states or territories in which the majority of the population is Arab and/or speaks Arabic, and may even include Arab or Arabic-speaking populations outside the traditional Arab world" is not entirely supported by the cited source (c.f. [19]). In fact, the source states that the Arab world is traditionally coextensive with the territories in the Arab League i.e. the standard definition of the Arab world: "No universally accepted definition of 'the Arab world' exists, but it is generally assumed to include the twenty-two countries belonging to the Arab League that have a combined population of about 280 million". It just adds that, for the purposes of the book, it extends that standard definition to include Arab-speaking populations in the diaspora or places where use of Arabic is at least considered to be critical to identity: "For the purposes of this introduction, this territorial definition is combined with a linguistic one (use of the Arabic language, or its recognition as critical to identity), and thereby extended into multiple diasporas, especially the Americas, Europe, Southeast Asia, West Africa, and Australia". I have adjusted the text and layout to reflect this. In future, per WP:BRD, please discuss any augmentations you wish to make to the standard definition of the Arab world, so that they may be evaluated in terms of seeing if they pass Wikipedia's fringe threshold and are proportional to their prominence in reliable sources per WP:WEIGHT. Middayexpress ( talk) 19:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
This seems mainly vanity. What do areas mean? At least comparing Tunisia and Algeria with Alaska have meaning. There's nothing but empty uninhabitable space any of them! But it seems to make them all non-notable, rather than notable. So what that the Gobi desert is "bigger than" Death Valley? Not sure what that proves. Student7 ( talk) 21:23, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I have left this point on the discussion to the map on this page. Israel is highlighted in green along with the other arab states. Given that the map itself separates Israel from Gaza and the West Bank, it is more appropriate and correct to leave Israel blank, and only to highlight in green those territories. I do believe the author of the map doesn't have a talk page Colt .55 ( talk) 11:46, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
"The total GDP of all Arab countries in 1999 was US$531.2 billion. By contrast, the GDP of Spain that year was US$595.5 billion."
Apart from being propagandistic, the statement is simply untrue. According to the CIA data for 1999, Spain's GDP was US&645 billion while the total GDP of only five Arab countries - Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia - amounted to US$670,2 billion.
Please update, [34], and [35], cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.59.83.56 ( talk) 12:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
This artikel is absoultely misleading and wrote by Arab nationalist.
1. Arab world doesn’t exist, it’s a racist and fascist to call North Africans Arabs.
2. Arab/Arabic is a name for a NATION, and nation that lives and exist only in the Middle east according to all none facist and racist historians and scientist around the whole world.
3. Morocco or the Maghreb, which is ethnically and genetically Amazigh(Berber) according to all historians and scientist.
4. In the Maghreb we speak 4 different Tamazight(Berbers) languages and an Arabic_Berber language which we call Darija. NO ONE SPEAKS ARABIC.
5. Arabic as language is only used by the government and the press and is used in schools. This is and was NOT the choice of the nation but of Tyrannical dictators like Khaddafi and Hosni Mubarak etc etc. There is NO freedom of speech or organisation in North Africa. People can’t choose their leader like the westerners have done for the past 500 years. This article is absolutely a racist and fascist article against the North Africans who ever never ever asked to be called Arabs. 6.why don't know why you Amazigh hate the arab, i am algerian and i love you amazigh but when i read comments like that i feel very sad for the gap that between us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.100.125.58 ( talk) 07:05, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
This artikel is full of lies from arab nationalist .
No soul in North Africa has ever asked to be marked as an Arab or te be a member of the Arab world.
So I personally don't know how to edit maps and even if I did I'd still need permission but 2 things. 1 shouldn't the West Bank and Gaza Strip be added on the map ? 2 is it possible to get the map in higher pixels ? Bleach143 ( talk) 18:10, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Maltese is an Arabic idiom, and unlike other Arabics uses the latin script. Standard Arabic is not used, unlike many other Arabic speaking countries. Malta is predominately Catholic. There is very little mention of Malta in the article, and no mention of Maltese language. It strikes me as a little odd. Perhaps a mention of why Malta, although speaking arabic and having some historic and cultural ties to the rest of the arab world, is not generally seen as part of the Arab world. I suspect that it is primarily on religious/cultural grounds, that is, it is hard to be a 'real' Arab unless you are also muslim. I might be wrong, but thats what I came looking for in this article: a good explanation of why certain countries are in and others are out. 60.240.207.146 ( talk) 04:20, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
One of the other reasons are that Maltese are genetically distinct from the Arab world, they plot in the gap between Europe and the near east, alongside Sicilians, south Italians and Ashkenazi Jews. Guy355 ( talk) 12:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Please include the total area of the arab world in the article 198.36.40.1 ( talk) 10:14, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Iran arab country? 85.76.164.84 ( talk) 19:38, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The following sentence is from the article: "The standard definition of the Arab world comprises the 22 states and territories of the Arab League (...), with a combined population of around 280 million people". This information is wrong. I would just point out that there's 280 Arabs living in the Arab League, but that's not the total population. In total, there live about 350 million people in the Arab League. DaneOfScandinavy ( talk) 19:13, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
As there seem to be no interest for this article, I will remove this mis-calculated information and replace it with the right number. DaneOfScandinavy ( talk) 13:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- Iran arab country? 85.76.164.84 ( talk) 19:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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If "Arab world" is synonymous with "Arab League", as this article claims, why do we have two articles? Srnec ( talk) 00:15, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
I think there should be a separate article for the history of the Arab world and the Arabic-speaking peoples. History of the Middle East doesn't count because it doesn't cover the Maghreb, neither does history of the Arab League because it only includes the history of the aforementioned organization. Charles Essie ( talk) 16:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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Somali people are not ethnic Arabs, but they identify more with Arabs than Africans due to religious and trade ties with Arabs.
Somalia Business Law Handbook: Strategic Information and Laws. International Business Publications, USA. Aug 1, 2013. p. 48.
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Somalia there are only 30,000 Arabs in the country.
"People and Society Somalia -". CIA Factbook.
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Lewis, I. M. (1999).
A Pastoral Democracy: A Study of Pastoralism and Politics Among the Northern Somali of the Horn of Africa. James Currey Publishers. p. 11.
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0852552807.
). That they aren't ethnically Arab is not particularly meaningful, though, since the Arab world is chiefly comprised of Arabized populations. This is why the CIA also indicates that "although almost all Algerians are Berber in origin (not Arab), only a minority identify themselves as Berber"
[37]. That is, it is referring to the relative degree of Arabization rather than genealogical traditions or ancestry. Most Maghrebis and Egyptians are of related Hamitic ancestral stock, and many Near Easterners are descended from various local Semitic speaking populations rather than from the peninsular Arabs. All speak languages from the Afro-Asiatic (Hamitic-Semitic) family. Anyway, the table is on the population of the various Arab states, not on peninsular Arabs only.
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In the 'Demographics' section, the article states: "Arab League countries are defined by an Arab majority; the Arabic language forms the unifying feature of the Arab world. Though different areas use local varieties of Arabic, all share in the use of the modern standardized language, derived from Classical Arabic (symptomatic of Arabic diglossia). This contrasts with the situation in the wider Islamic world, where in contiguous Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan, Arabic maintains its use in a similar script and retains its cultural prestige primarily as the language of religion and theological scholarship, but where Arabic is not spoken as a vernacular."
This contrast between Arab League countries and the wider Islamic world is extremely muddy--Somalia is exactly as Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan are described here, and yet is a member state. Arabic is an official language for religious reasons and is used liturgically, but not spoken as a vernacular. Given that Somalia, for the most part, consists of neither ethnic Arabs nor Arabic speakers, many of the blanket statements about the League states are glaringly false in relation to Somalia. It seems that Somalia joined the league for political purposes more than anything.
I'm focusing on Somalia here as I know more of it than of the other nations, but I'm sure it's not the only nation where the blanket statements don't all ring true. I don't know what can be done and I suppose it would be madness to individually describe every member state on such a precise level, but I wonder if someone reading this article won't get the wrong impression about some of these nations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.200.71.13 ( talk) 03:44, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Quote from the article "Arab world, also known as the Arab nation (الأمة العربية al-ʾummah al-ʿarabīah), consists of the 22 Arabic-speaking countries of the Arab League.[1]" This makes it seem like Arab world and Arab league are essentially the same thing so why two different articles the article on Arab league details many of the same things in this article ie demographics, history, culture, etc etc.
This whole article reads like a disaster, like a mish-mash of different ideas and completely without any course of direction. There's really no point in editing or improving this article when we have a perfectly good article on Arab league. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Princeton wu ( talk • contribs) 04:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
1) Comoros, Djibouti, and Somalia are members of the Arab League, but are not considered part of the Arab world, i.e. they are not mainly populated by Arab settlers or Arabized local populations
2) Western Sahara is part of the Arab world, but is not a member of the Arab League
3) Arguably, Palestine and Western Sahara are not "states" in the normal understanding of that word, due to their lack of sovereignty
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This article is so misleading as to be essentially useless. It keeps on harping about the Arab World being the countries of the Arab League, a circular sort of logic that's obviously nonsensical. Somalia has a small fraction of people that actually do speak Arabic, but on this and several other pages it's repeatedly referred to as an "Arab state". Chad has far more speakers of Arabic than Somalia, but is not considered an Arab country because it's not a member of the Arab League - the article begins to look like it's about the Arab League rather than about the Arab World. By the same logic that Somalia is considered an Arab state, one would argue that Iran should then have more of a case - given the prevalence of Arabic in Iran and the existence of an actual ethnic Arab population that's actually native to Iran, as compared to Somalia's tiny population of non-native Arab traders. Indeed, Eritrea likely has a larger fraction of Arabic speakers than Somalia. Wikipedia should be informative and neutral, but a quick look at the pages dealing with the Horn of Africa leaves one with the distinct impression that these pages are being used to spread some sort of pan-ethnic propaganda rather than actual knowledge. 14.1.61.17 ( talk) 08:21, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
In English, the "Arab world" usually means the countries and territories populated mainly by Arabs, i.e. essentially native speakers of Arabic. The "League of Arab States" is the name of a supranational organization whose member states all have Standard Arabic as one of their official languages. As such:
Our Arab World infobox map singles out Syria with a separate colour. But yet there is no explanation why Syria is in a different colour? werldwayd ( talk) 04:26, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
There isn't any evidence of a Dubai being anywhere close to 9000 years old. Don't know what the source is but that would make it one of the oldest continuously inhabited settlements in the world, which it definitely is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamalyguy ( talk • contribs) 13:40, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
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The GDP of Arab world mentioned on this page is actually GDP (nominal), not GDP (PPP). The given reference of World Bank too proves that. Therefore, I request that this error should be fixed as soon as possible.
Thanks. عاطف حسن الهندي ( talk) 11:49, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Why is the definition of arab world all the "Arab-speaking" countries ? It gives a false idea of countries like Somalia, Djibouti, Eirtrea, Chad, etc. because they are not ethnically Arabs. Let's just focus on the definition, how can language be the definition for something so ethnical ? Sure Saudi Arabia is an Arab country, but Chad... I think the "Arab World" should be redefined, and the map is misleading. ( Vob08 ( talk) 17:25, 16 January 2009 (CET))
An Arab is person whose first language or mother tongue is Arabic, an he belongs to the specific geographical region called the Arab World. This region's people also share same culture, traditions and customs to the most extent.
As for as Chad is concerned, it is not an Arab country nor it is counted as an Arab country. Somalia, Eritria, Comoros and Djibouti have some Arab and mostly mixed population (Arab+indigenous). Though most of the population there don't speak Arabic as its first language. But they understand Arabic and occasionally speak it. They also share much common culture with the Arabs.
Note :- Eriteria is commonly not considered an Arab nation, most probably because it has also a large number of non-muslim non-Arabized population. عاطف حسن الهندي ( talk) 12:07, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
"...Portuguese rule has, been self-governing since..." should be corrected to "...Portuguese rule, has been self-governing since..."
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I was going to fix some of the citations, but I don't have access to this level of protected articles. Could someone with the appropriate access level please fix them?
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How can I request removal of protection from this article? I want to add content about medieval Arab history and I was able to find out the article is locked because Israel and Palestine are in a dispute. I think this is not a good reason to prohibit editing of an article that spans over a thousand years of history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by شيطان مارد ( talk • contribs) 02:39, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello! I take issue with the map of the Arab World. Syria is in light green as to symbolize its suspension from the Arab League. But the Arab world is different from the Arab League. It is a scholarly and political entity, not a political organization; it cannot be defined by what some intergovernmental council decides to do with its membership. I suggest it be changed to a map from a respected scholarly source defining the geographical Arab World. Best Hanibaal75 ( talk) 11:47, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
@ شرعب السلام: not necessarily a problem, I just replaced it with one that's identical to the previous map, except it included Syria. Musicfan122 ( talk) 15:27, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Looking back, the map included South Sudan, my bad! Musicfan122 ( talk) 15:39, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
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There is nothing about Sabaeans written here, an ancient people of South Arabia, who founded a Kingdom of Saba. They arę mentioned in the Bible. They spoke the Sabaean language, one of the Old South Arabian languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.192.4.27 ( talk) 06:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
They have their own article: Sabaeans. Dimadick ( talk) 10:40, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
In its current version as of 2021-May-05, this article defines the Arab World as being exactly the same thing as the Arab League. If this is accurate, this article should be merged with the Arab League article. If not accurate, this article needs to be re-written in a way that clarifies the difference. My personal understanding is the latter (i.e. the Arab World and the Arab League are not the same and therefore this article needs to be re-written). -- GhanimSharifi ( talk) 15:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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please change ((Spanish)) to ((Spanish language|Spanish)) 2601:541:4580:8500:C5AF:86C2:2715:E82E ( talk) 16:09, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Why isn't South Sudan in this list? Samudragupta007 ( talk) 10:36, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
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I believe there is a comma in the wrong place in the "Ottoman and colonial rule" subsection. Change
" Oman, apart from brief intermittent Persian and Portuguese rule has, been self-governing since the 8th century."
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" Oman, apart from brief intermittent Persian and Portuguese rule, has been self-governing since the 8th century."
(the second comma should be before, not after, the "has"). QuaintlyLittoral ( talk) 14:48, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
This article takes as basis of the Arab World the political block of the Arab League, which is not necesssarily the same thing - should a State leave the League, it would still be part of the Arab world. And the other way round, a State could be part of the Arab League without being really part of the Arab World, i.e. a country where the majority language or at least one major language is Arabic. To me, this seems to be the case of Somalia - it is of course a member of the League, but up to which point it is an "Arab country" or would have been considered such before the League was founded? The text says that "Although Arabic is widely spoken by many people in the north and urban areas in the south, Somali is the most widely used language, and contains many Arabic loan words.[24]". As the source is a print source, I can't check what it says exactly, but the loanword issue is irrelevant, as Somali is a very different language from Arabic and the loanwords are not enough as to suggest any similarity (probably Turkish and Farsi have more). Now, how much "widely spoken" is Arabic in Somalia? Wikipedia's Somalia entry says "2 million Somalis speak it", but not clarifying if they speak it as their mother tongue or as a foreign language; the source is Ethnologue, [38] and The entry there lists strangely enough only two varieties of Arab: "Taizzi-Adenite", which is listed as a Yemeni variant (perhaps there is a small group of Yemeni population in Somalia?) and "Standard Arabic", which is, as we know, an official language in Somalia, but of course no mother tongue to any people. There is no mention of Somali Arabic. Although the Wikipedia entry about Mass media in Somalia lists several media broadcasting in Arabic, besides Somali and English, if you visit the websites of these media, you'll see that there is no Arabic version nor any news in Arabic. All this gives the impression that Arabic is to a very great extent a foreign language in Somalia, just like French would be in Morocco or Algeria or English in many African countries. Shouldn't the specific character of Somalia be explained in the article? If I'm not mistaken, it is the only country in the Arabic League (probably together with Comoros Islands) where Arabic is very little spoken, if any. In all other countries of the League, a local Arabic variant is the mother tongue of at least 50% of the population (Morocco), and normally closer to 80-90%, if not 99%. This seems to me worth mentioning. Ilyacadiz ( talk) 11:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
The largest cities section seems to be inconsistent in its measurements (for example Kuwait making the list on this page vs not being in the top 10 of the section's referenced list. In fact, cities like Algiers that make the top 10 outside of this page aren't included. I feel like this list needs to be cleaned up or at least consistently sourced. Sam Walczak Talk/ Edits 22:21, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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Please change total population of Arab World from 423,000,000 to 436,080,728 (2020). This is based on recent data from the World Bank: https://data.worldbank.org/region/arab-world Jo737 ( talk) 08:30, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Can page 2 or p.2 or p. 2 be added to the Efraim Halevy quotes citation in Modern boundaries? Mcljlm ( talk) 06:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Somalia is not an Arab country, it is a member of the Arab League.
“Arab” is defined as “a member of an Arabic-speaking people”, Somalians speak Somali as their first language, not Arabic which is only spoken by “just over two million” people in a country of over 17 million. WikiMakersOfOurTime ( talk) 07:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
The map does not show Iraq as Arab — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:18:1852:10E3:8896:7553:4A79:346D ( talk) 15:10, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
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Replace the current map (which is also a fake SVG) with the real SVG orthographic projection.
Grey-green orthographic maps are the tradition for use in intercontinental regions, such as the similar Latin America which uses its own orthographic projection, and even the Arab League has an orthographic map. Qbox673 ( talk) 21:06, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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Broken sentence in the first paragraph: "Arabic language, which is used as the lingua franca throughout the Arab world."
Suggested edit: "The Arabic language is used as the lingua franca throughout the Arab world." or something similar Lambda999999999 ( talk) 22:02, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
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In the caption of the image in the film industry section, replace "in" with "at" and link Cairo. Snowstormfigorion ( talk) 23:15, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
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Please make the following change to the article:
− | Ibadi Islam is practiced in Oman, where Ibadis constitute around | + | Ibadi Islam is practiced in Oman, where Ibadis constitute around 35% of Muslims. |
145.255.120.188 ( talk) 17:33, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
as it was seen in Islam in Oman. 145.255.120.188 ( talk) 17:33, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
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CIA factbook as cited source and that said 45% not 75%, I updated that article to reflect what the source it's citing says. Leaving it 75% here as M.Bitton has provided multiple sources to support that, there probably needs to be some discussion on what to use in both places.
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In the info box, Palestine is listed as one of 22 sovereign nations.
Does that violate WP:NPOV?
The own page for Palestine on Wikipedia says that it's sovereignty is disputed.
Believe Palestine should be listed as a de facto state. 2600:4040:297C:8F00:E5A6:F038:8E03:37FE ( talk) 23:55, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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