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an early herbivorous ceratopsian dinosaur. But this is a Neocerttopsid, no? It is basal to that line, but not an early (i.e. Jurassic) ceratopsid, yes? Is this an ignorant quibble on my part, or a sensible distinction?-- Wetman ( talk) 15:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply

The Farke/Maxwell/Cifelli/Wedel Phylogeny under the Phylogeny section of Ceratopsia states (at least at this version) "that Aquilops was a basal neoceratopsian that could potentially be a protoceratopsid, leptoceratopsid, or ceratopsid, although any one of these groups would have a large ghost lineage with Aquilops." [1] I think that is geek-speak for "Well, we think Aquilops was at the beginning of the neoceratopsids, but we don't really know, so other clasiffications might be as a protoceratopsid (early ceratopsid), leptoceratopsid, or ceratopsid because this is really a ghost lineage." Peaceray ( talk) 17:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply
Why not make that quote a footnote? You could cut and paste it where you think best. I speak for amateur readers.-- Wetman ( talk) 19:07, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply
Well, first of all, neoceratopians are a subset of ceratopians. The lead does not state it was a ceratopid. Neoceratopidae is not an existing taxon. In other words: these suffixes cannot be interchanged at will! As regards the "ghost lineage" issue: there would only be a ghost lineage if we assume that Aquilops belonged to any of these higher-level groups, as it would imply, for them, a long history without known remains.-- MWAK ( talk) 20:08, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ Farke, A. A.; Maxwell, W. D.; Cifelli, R. L.; Wedel, M. J. (2014). "A Ceratopsian Dinosaur from the Lower Cretaceous of Western North America, and the Biogeography of Neoceratopsia". PLoS ONE. 9 (12): e112055. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0112055.{{ cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI ( link)

The article needs work

It still fails to address some of the most important topics by which all living things are generally classified:

  • What exactly does it eat?
  • Does it sleep during the day, or night?
  • Would it appreciate being held, or would it prefer to walk on its own?
  • How well could it have been trained?
  • And based on the above, would it make a good pet?

GMRE ( talk) 19:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply

The paper has a Wikipedia compatible license, so you could copy relevant text from it and paste it here with no legal problems. Would take less item than writing long complaints here. FunkMonk ( talk) 19:31, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply
I think it is a tongue-in-cheek comment. Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 19:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply
Yeah, but these blanket complaints (whether in jest or not) are kind of a pet-peeve of mine, I like to use the opportunities to point out how easy it is to expand articles... FunkMonk ( talk) 20:11, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply
Let's answer these questions anyway.
  • The beak is very pointy and therefore specialised in eating high-quality plant parts. This would also be an absolute necessity to obtain sufficient energy for such a small animal, unable to use a long intestinal tract to process low-quality fodder.
  • It had large eyes and might well have been nocturnal.
  • Juvenile ceratopians probably lived in youth groups and tactile stimuli might have been used to strengthen bonding. Also, the critter being feathered, you might have liked petting it too.
  • It would not have been too stupid as far as herbivorous dinosaurs go. And simple conditioning would go a long way.
  • For a non-avian dinosaur it would be quite a good pet. Much better than Amphicoelias (even after its recent down-size) or the low character Spinosaurus. Give it some nuts, mind the potted plants and beware of the beak.-- MWAK ( talk) 20:22, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply
PS: Check the SVPOW website and find their post on Aquilops, it shows free images, and has some extra info as one of their bloggers (Matt Wedel) is an author. IJReid ( talk) 18:36, 26 December 2014 (UTC) reply

References

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Early"

an early herbivorous ceratopsian dinosaur. But this is a Neocerttopsid, no? It is basal to that line, but not an early (i.e. Jurassic) ceratopsid, yes? Is this an ignorant quibble on my part, or a sensible distinction?-- Wetman ( talk) 15:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply

The Farke/Maxwell/Cifelli/Wedel Phylogeny under the Phylogeny section of Ceratopsia states (at least at this version) "that Aquilops was a basal neoceratopsian that could potentially be a protoceratopsid, leptoceratopsid, or ceratopsid, although any one of these groups would have a large ghost lineage with Aquilops." [1] I think that is geek-speak for "Well, we think Aquilops was at the beginning of the neoceratopsids, but we don't really know, so other clasiffications might be as a protoceratopsid (early ceratopsid), leptoceratopsid, or ceratopsid because this is really a ghost lineage." Peaceray ( talk) 17:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply
Why not make that quote a footnote? You could cut and paste it where you think best. I speak for amateur readers.-- Wetman ( talk) 19:07, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply
Well, first of all, neoceratopians are a subset of ceratopians. The lead does not state it was a ceratopid. Neoceratopidae is not an existing taxon. In other words: these suffixes cannot be interchanged at will! As regards the "ghost lineage" issue: there would only be a ghost lineage if we assume that Aquilops belonged to any of these higher-level groups, as it would imply, for them, a long history without known remains.-- MWAK ( talk) 20:08, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ Farke, A. A.; Maxwell, W. D.; Cifelli, R. L.; Wedel, M. J. (2014). "A Ceratopsian Dinosaur from the Lower Cretaceous of Western North America, and the Biogeography of Neoceratopsia". PLoS ONE. 9 (12): e112055. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0112055.{{ cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI ( link)

The article needs work

It still fails to address some of the most important topics by which all living things are generally classified:

  • What exactly does it eat?
  • Does it sleep during the day, or night?
  • Would it appreciate being held, or would it prefer to walk on its own?
  • How well could it have been trained?
  • And based on the above, would it make a good pet?

GMRE ( talk) 19:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply

The paper has a Wikipedia compatible license, so you could copy relevant text from it and paste it here with no legal problems. Would take less item than writing long complaints here. FunkMonk ( talk) 19:31, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply
I think it is a tongue-in-cheek comment. Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 19:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply
Yeah, but these blanket complaints (whether in jest or not) are kind of a pet-peeve of mine, I like to use the opportunities to point out how easy it is to expand articles... FunkMonk ( talk) 20:11, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply
Let's answer these questions anyway.
  • The beak is very pointy and therefore specialised in eating high-quality plant parts. This would also be an absolute necessity to obtain sufficient energy for such a small animal, unable to use a long intestinal tract to process low-quality fodder.
  • It had large eyes and might well have been nocturnal.
  • Juvenile ceratopians probably lived in youth groups and tactile stimuli might have been used to strengthen bonding. Also, the critter being feathered, you might have liked petting it too.
  • It would not have been too stupid as far as herbivorous dinosaurs go. And simple conditioning would go a long way.
  • For a non-avian dinosaur it would be quite a good pet. Much better than Amphicoelias (even after its recent down-size) or the low character Spinosaurus. Give it some nuts, mind the potted plants and beware of the beak.-- MWAK ( talk) 20:22, 23 December 2014 (UTC) reply
PS: Check the SVPOW website and find their post on Aquilops, it shows free images, and has some extra info as one of their bloggers (Matt Wedel) is an author. IJReid ( talk) 18:36, 26 December 2014 (UTC) reply

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