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Some anon character keeps taking the link out because it is 'commercial in nature'. Given that nobody in their right mind would start an aquaponics business to make money and that all the other links seem to be selling something (or are trying to if the forms on the sites worked) deleting the link to aquaponics.com.au seems harsh. I would agree to the deletion if there was a proper aquaponics association site but there isn't and people using Wp should be able to get further info, Albatross2147 13:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up the links and explaining the process -- Muzza 08:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Two links were recently added: 1) Aquaponics Knowledge Base: is apparently a more specific link to a page on website that was formerly linked. This is an improvement over the previous link, but the amount of content on the page is really quite small. Is there a better resource available? There are only a few questions and the answers are quite brief. 2) Aquaponics information for Australia: is just a relink to website that was formerly linked. I see no need to link this website. The "information" it provides is very limited - a short faq and "Why aquaponics" page with just a few paragraphs. The rest of the site i devoted to selling books, products, and ciriculum. I'm sure for people in Australia who want to buy aquaponics supplies it is a very useful website, and I have no doubts that the owners are reputable. The content, however, does not justify an external link. Please join in the discussion. Nposs 14:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I am new to this so I am not sure if I am posting in the right place, so excuse my ignorance if it is wrong. I feel that my link just removed is a valuable contribution to the overall store of knowledge on the subject. My website as a whole is very information rich but does contain a commercial element, however my link to my knowledge Base, is very “Hands on” information, and does not seek to sell anything. I feel is very valuable to those seeking further information re Aquaponics from a practical application approach.
This Knowledge Base is only two weeks old and will grow very rapidly in content. If the Wikipedia is designed to be a more academic type of information source then I agree that my suggested link would possibly not be appropriate. I know well by the traffic we have to our Knowledge Base that it is very much appreciated by those seeking information on the practical application of Aquaponics. I appreciate your work and leave the decision in your hands. The link is as follows http://www.aquaponics.net.au/absolutefm/afmmain.asp?topicid=&faqid= --124.148.91.170 22:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Sorry, I neglected to log in before posting.--Muzza 22:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the response Nposs: That link that has been placed in there is NOT my link but that of a person who systematically interferes with other links on this site. (look at the IP address history you will see the regularity of his habits) The link that is there now is www.aquaponics.COM.au - my site is www.aquaponics.NET.au - We are not associated in any way whatsoever. We are both in Australia, that is about the only connection we have. I note that this time he has used someone else with a different IP to insert the link for him, just a little unethical I would have thought. I would not be so bold as to go right on past the directions given in your posting above and post a link that has been deemed to be of little value to the Wikipedia.I would hope that you do something about that link that is there now as it would be unfortunate that those of little or no ethics can march right past your attempts to keep the standard of the Wikipedia at the highest level.-- Muzza 21:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't having the links here on the Talk Page still give commercial in nature links a boost? I can still access the pages and they are still commercial in nature. Or am I missing the point?
Azollafern
01:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I have been one of the editors and contributors to this page. I feel the ONLY allowable links at this point should be directed toward not-for-profit, educational institutions such as UVI, University of North Carolina, University of Arizona and others not yet known who are doing research in closed recirculating tank culture. Also auqaculture associations that disseminate academic research and publications in this subject area. Any "for profit" links should be eliminated. For the record, the New Alchemy Institute was a private school however has made its publications available for free online. This should be allowed.
The links were my only way of citing researched material and at one point an information forum (which is not allowed and I accept that). However, pictures from the editor's personal system should not be allowed. Pictures only from non-profit institutions and/or academia should be allowed. My two cents. Michael Ferrini
"Thanks to all of you for your inputs and opinions; I read them all thoroughly before offering this post and my opinion. I think deciding the issue of links hinges on whether or not the link placed advances Wikipedia user's knowledge of a subject, or serves simply to advance the commercial interests of the link placer. We all use valuable things in our lives that we've purchased, and recommend the good ones without hesitation to our friends. In this instance, the fact that an item came from a commercial source rather than a non-profit one has nothing to do with how valuable it may be to us.
I placed a link to my website, friendlyaquaponics.com, on WP because we too are offering comprehensive aquaponics courses that advance the knowledge of aquaponics in the world, just as University of the Virgin Island is (UVI incidentally, is NOT a non-profit organization; they are part of the United States University system and as such simply have their expenses covered by the taxpayer). As a result of a single course we gave in October 2008 that had 78 attendees, 15 people have built and are operating aquaponics systems; six of those are commercial-scale systems; and four of those six have already been organically certified. This is from a single training out of the three we have given since our inception.
In comparison, the UVI administrators themselves state (as of 2007, when I took the course), there had been 450 attendees over the years, and two of them had built a commercial aquaponics system (one was my wife Susanne and I). In addition, our company offers a $50 aquaponics system construction manual package which contains most of what we know about aquaponics. It cost me $4,400 to advance my aquaponics knowledge by taking the UVI course, including airfare, hotel, car, and food. Whenever we receive an appeal for our courses (which cost from $50 up to $2,500) from a poorly-funded non-profit such as a church or NGO, we give them a copy of the course for the cost of mailing, or if it's a live course, we allow them to attend for free and often put their participant up at our house for free also.Which one of these organizations would you say has benefited the advancement of knowledge of aquaponics more?
Before you decide whether or not this link might be beneficial to WP users, we understand, from a recent graduate of the UVI course who subsequently also took our course, that UVI is shutting down its aquaponic program and course after the last one to be given in June 2010. Friendly Aquaponics may be one of the only sources for such detailed and in-depth information if this occurs. If you want to check out the effect we've had on the world, please see our page http://www.friendlyaquaponics.com/printcommercialtraining.html for comments from our course participants. Thanks for your consideration, Tim Mann, Friendly Aquaponics, Inc, email:kaimana@hawaiiantel.net November 15th, 2009 KaimanaOMaunaKea ( talk) 06:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't have time to add the article, but Angling for a Better Way to Farm Fish--And Vegetables, Too appears to be a pretty good article. II | ( t - c) 02:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC) cool ````sarah```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.113.118.24 ( talk) 14:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I reverted this page to a previously durable version of the aquaponics article after someone named Lfstevens performed 14 separate edits on the page in a four-hour period December 1st, without posting anything regarding the edits in the discussion area for aquaponics. Lfstevens says on his page (and I quote):
"I'm going to edit 1 page each day for awhile. Although I have strong opinions on most subjects, most of my edits are copy edits. Occasionally I'll dig deeper on topics with which I feel comfortable. My sentences generally have fewer subclauses and big words than those they replace. I also leave pages with less minutiae and more focus on the page's main idea(s)" (end quote).
Now I don't have a problem with someone who actually has in-depth personal knowledge of the subject they are editing making changes. We can all benefit from edits such as that. But in the absence of Lfstevens demonstrating a personal knowledge of aquaponics, and in the presence of some demonstrably wrong statements from him such as:
1. "Organic fish food" It doesn't exist yet, at least not in any commercial quantities; we've looked quite exhaustively.
2. "Duckweed" The weed from hell, we tried it. The tilapia DON'T eat it and it clogs the systems, using valuable nutrients that the plants could benefit from.
3. "Black soldier fly larvae" We tried that too, and tilapia, which are the primary fish used in most aquaponics systems in the US, do not eat them because they sink, and tilapia are hardwired to only eat floating food. The tilapia just watch the larvae drift on down past them when you throw them into the tank, without even touching them.
After finding these mistakes regarding aquaponics, it's difficult to understand why Lfstevens feels he (or she, don't want to discriminate here), is enough of an authority on aquaponics to edit this page so completely and change it so radically from what ALL the earlier editors thought was useful and accurate content.
Personally, my wife Susanne and I have only been doing commercial-scale aquaponics for two years, are the first aquaponics farm in the USA to get USDA organically certified and Food Safety Certified AND to get our produce into Costco, took the UVI Aquaponics Short Course in 2007, and are actually making money with our farm, something few aquaponics producers can claim. We got where we are on our own, without grants, free money, or investors; by working our butts off and living and breathing aquaponics for the last two years. So far, around twenty persons have built aquaponics systems after taking one of our classes, and five of them have gotten their systems certified organic using our guidance. Because of this, we feel we have a right to express an informed opinion about matters aquaponical. I also include my direct email address and real name so anyone who wishes to can contact me directly if they disagree with my editing or are curious as to where I obtained information, as we have a completely open source personal and business policy regarding aquaponic technology.
signed, Tim Mann, Friendly Aquaponics, Inc, email:kaimana@hawaiiantel.net November 15th, 2009 KaimanaOMaunaKea (talk) 06:20, 15 December 2009 (UTC —Preceding unsigned comment added by KaimanaOMaunaKea ( talk • contribs)
The article has now been made more concise, and is written more according to Wikipedia standards. As a result, I would like to propose a clear statement of the direction in which this article is headed, so that from here on it will remain free of commercial links with little value to the field of aquaponics as a whole, and duplicate information due to (unreferenced) redundant text copied from external sources. In other words, this article now has a higher submission standard. (If this makes you unsure about whether you can/may still contribute: I can help you, see the last paragraph.)
Motivation: It is in the best interest for anyone involved with aquaponics to be able to point people to a page that is easy to read and that clearly and explains the general principle and discusses the many forms in which it can be applied. It is acknowledged that existing commercial aquaponics systems are doing well, but Wikipedia is not the place to report individual successes, just as the article on agriculture does not discuss one single farm, but speaks of the total population.
What this article is not for: (see also: WP:NOT)
What this article is for:
For example, it is a good thing that the article discusses the "deep water aquaponics" (UVI) approach, which can be distinguished from the "reciprocating aquaponics" (NCSU). That particular section however lacks any kind of information in what way it is different and what the rationale is to use that system in stead. That way, the reader will understand that aquaponics can be performed in different ways. Such an explanation must always be supported by literature on the matter.
The above is a proposal and I would like to invite you to comment on it. Please do always keep in mind that a Wikipedia article is targeted at lay readers and as I said before, it is in all our best interest if we can point people to a sound article on Wikipedia on our subject matter. We can only build a comprehensive text if you add your knowledge too. If you need help with that (e.g. if you don't know how to incorporate your information into the text or add references), respond to this message below or write me via my talk page. -- Eddyspeeder ( talk) 15:43, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
This is a great article, but it needs a little TLC… spelling, grammar, and composition mostly, but also some things that either need to be referenced with scientific backing, qualified as unsubstantiated, or eliminated altogether.
I’ll start with the first paragraph:
The last sentence about the portmanteau should be the first sentence. (Composition)
The last word of that sentence should be hydroponics… not hydroponic. (Spelling)
Let’s not use the word “sustainable”. Its been bastardized by folks that have absolutely no interest in what sustainable really means, but boldly lie when they use it so they can sell us something. Good science speaks for itself without self-promotion.
Now expand on the portmanteau. For example, the next sentences could read: “Aquaculture is the management of aquatic systems to produce food like fish and crustaceans. Hydroponics is the production of plants using only nutrient solutions (without soil).”
Now explain why aquaponics is superior to either of these separately… the secret ingredient. “Aquaponics has been shown to produce higher plant yields than conventional hydroponics (Savidov et al) by utilizing the natural nutrients within the effluent of recirculating aquaculture systems. These nutrients are made available through complex microbiological processes that mimic the ecology of natural aquatic systems.”
As far as the existing text goes:
You don’t say “in the aquaculture” in English, you say “in aquaculture”
Furthermore, in aquaculture, you don’t let “effluents accumulate in the water, increasing toxicity for the fish “. I know what the author is trying to say, but there are better ways to say this. Let's describe what we do in terms that mirror natural processes.
The nutrients are not “filtered out by the plants”, they are made available by autotrophic bacteria and a host of other periphyton. But this information belongs in further explanations of the process, not in the introductory paragraph.
If you put it all together, I think it reads better, sticks to the facts, and uses proper grammar and spelling.
Aquaponics (pronounced: /ˈækwəˈpɒnɨks/) is a portmanteau of the terms aquaculture and hydroponics. Aquaculture is the management of aquatic systems to produce food like fish and crustaceans. Hydroponics is the production of plants using nutrient solutions, not soil. Aquaponics has been shown to produce higher plant yields than conventional hydroponics by utilizing nutrients within the effluent of recirculating aquaculture systems. These nutrients are made available to the plants through complex microbiological processes that mimic the ecology of natural aquatic systems. Bryghtknyght ( talk) 19:16, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
I completely support the contention of Eddyspeeder in the previous editing discussion, as he states: What this article is NOT for: (see also: WP:NOT)
* Reporting commercial successes of individual locations using aquaponics. * Mentioning different approaches (mainly by universities) without stating their findings. * Sharing opinionated, idealistic uses for aquaponics without providing actual cases.
What this article IS for:
* Providing an overview of aquaponics, backed by scientific and (statistical) market research. * Reporting the gist of (recent) empirical findings on aquaponics, referenced with proper literature. * Discussing initiatives and national/continental differences between the application of aquaponics.
I edited this article to remove the links and references that were commercial in nature. I left those such as links to YouTube videos that do not link to commercial sites, and those such as Travis Hughey's BarrelPonics and Will Allens Growing Power that link to non-profit sites (Travis and Will, you're doing GREAT work, keep it up, friends!). I corrected several misconceptions about aquaponics that were obviously written in by persons with limited or little experience of aquaponics. I made an effort to explain aquaponic concepts and processes in language that would be as easy as possible for Wikipedia users to understand, because I know this is Wikipedia's main purpose: to make this knowledge accessible to as many minds as possible.
The quantitative information I provide about aquaponics, energy use, water use, vegetable density and growing efficiency, and the corrections I provided to certain misconceptions about how aquapoonics works, about nitrifiers, or what tanks are "necessary" in an aquaponics system, all comes from personal experience in operating a profitable commercial aquaponics farm (isn't that an oxymoron) with my wife Susanne (who has a degree in biology and did pre-med in college) for three years now. We've done it all personally: UVI-type systems, our cost-effective adaptations of their design, organic certification, energy efficiency, off-grid aquaponics systems, and so on. To the best of our knowledge, we currently have the largest commercial aquaponics farm in the world at 6,800 square feet of trough and sprouting table area.
And I am in a bind here: Even though I have records, videos, photos, and mounds of filled-out forms: water quality, production weights and growth times, consumables usage records, species identification, and so on from our ongoing research in aquaponics, I cannot reference it because it is all commercial in nature. I could reference several copyrighted works that support the information I gave, but we wrote those works, and they are all sold commercially. I am asking the editing community at Wikipedia to trust me on this one; the commercial world is the test: we know what we're doing, or else we would have been out of business long ago. We started with Dr. James Rakocy's excellent work at UVI, and have developed it further since then in directions no one else has ever taken it. We developed organic aquaponics where no one had ever gotten certified before, and not only are certified by TWO of the largest organic certifying agencies in the US, but seven of our students have gotten certified also.
We are actually making money with our farm, something few aquaponics producers can claim. We got where we are on our own, without grants, research budgets, inheritances, or investors; we did it by working our butts off and living and breathing aquaponics for the last three and a half years. In the last two and a half years, we've trained 238 people in our Commercial Aquaponics Trainings. For those of you who want to dismiss us as only interested in money, we've given almost 50% of our participants full scholarships. One hundred and fourteen persons have built aquaponics systems after taking one of our classes; and seven of them have gotten their commercial systems USDA certified organic using our guidance and courses. These people are making money because of the information we developed (painfully and expensively) and sold to them relatively cheaply or gave them for free. Because of this, we feel we have a right to express an informed opinion about matters aquaponical. I also include my direct email address and real name so anyone who wishes to can contact me directly if they disagree with my editing or are curious as to where I obtained information, as we have a completely open source personal and business policy regarding aquaponic technology. We want to see everyone feeding themselves, SOON. A better world for all.
signed, Tim Mann, Friendly Aquaponics, Inc, email:kaimana@hawaiiantel.net February 3, 2011, KaimanaOMaunaKea ( talk) 22:41, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi friends
I replaced my previous edit with my previous edit. I'm going to continue to do so until this article is obviously edited by someone with more practical experience of aquaponics than I have. I would recognize such a person and such an edit immediately, as I have lived and breathed aquaponics for the last three and a half years in a successful commercial aquaponics farm. If such a person edited the page, I would contact them immediately and, if they were offering a course; I would take it at the first opportunity.
It is obvious from reading the misleading, incorrect, and partially correct information on the page that was the result of edits over the last two years that the people editing AND featured on the page (except for Travis Hughey and Will Allen) have little practical experience with aquaponics. To wit, there are no edits from Dr. James Rakocy, Dr. Wilson Lennard, or Dr. Gideon Hulata, for instance, some of the most knowledgeable aquaponics experts in the world. Although I do not claim to be in the same class as these university experts are, working in the real-world arena of commercial aquaponics paying the bills as my wife Susanne and I have done for the last three and a half years gives one a certain veracity also.
Everything in the section of the article I edited above the section "Ancient History" is based on our personal objective measurements of energy usage, water usage, fish and vegetable production, feed usage, etc, on our commercial aquaponics farm. We know scientific procedure, and follow it carefully and routinely in our R&D. Many others have duplicated our results in their home and commercial aquaponics systems. This is the test of whether something is valid or not in the scientific community: it is duplicatable, every time, by others using the same techniques and methods.
It's not simple information, and so I can't just put a sentence or two in the article to explain why things "are the way they are". We offer this information in our courses (for which we charge); it comes in the form of a 144-page single-spaced aquaponics manual, a 47-page aquaponics system construction manual with plans for six different sizes of aquaponics systems, and five 36-inch by 24-inch printed pages of CAD drawings that took me about a month to draw (and I've been doing AutoCAD for 25 years!). The questions some editors requested answers to are answered by this material, but because it is voluminous in nature, it CAN'T simply be incorporated into a Wikipedia article. It's also COMMERCIAL, and doesn't belong in a Wikipedia article because it would be a blatant advertisement of our company.
One Editor asked a question about "where the energy is saved...". To answer this would require about five single-spaced pages just to set the stage for understanding of the question (again, out of our COMMERCIAL materials). That won't fit in a Wikipedia article. And what the heck do I do when someone complains that there isn't enough information about organic certification in aquaponics systems? Put in another three pages on that, plus the sample application letter and forms (17 pages), that we include with our course?
I'm stuck; I CAN'T cite "references" without putting information on our commercial operation into the article, which I don't want to do! I don't want to toot our trumpet. I just want to give people good accurate information on aquaponics which simplifies their understanding of the subject rather than complicating it. I read the previous version, and even though I knew the subject those editors were referring to intimately, what they said didn't make any sense. I could tell by the way they were referring to it that they had no personal experience with it and little or no understanding of it as a result.
I'm sorry to seem as if I disrespect other editors by redoing this edit. Any edits on this article performed by Dr. James Rakocy, Dr. Wilson Lennard, or Dr. Gideon Hulata, because of their stature as ACTUAL aquaponics experts will be respected and kept. Out of respect for people trying to find accurate information on this subject, this article needs to be factual, from actual experience of the people editing it. If you contact me and tell me where you gained the personal experience with aquaponics your edits are coming from, then we have a basis for co-editing this article. I'm not editing anything else in Wikipedia; this is the one thing I really know well.
signed, Tim Mann, Friendly Aquaponics, Inc, email:kaimana@hawaiiantel.net February 6, 2011, KaimanaOMaunaKea ( talk) 04:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys I give up; I've got a farm to run and courses to give. You can continue with the wrong and misleading information. You're fifteen years behind the cutting edge of commercial aquaponics as it is, because of your insistence on referencing everything to professional journals. The most recent reference you have by someone who has really done something with aquaponics is Rakocy's article "Aquaponic production of tilapia and basil: Comparing a batch and staggered cropping system", which was published in 1997 or 98. And I'm not going to get anything into a journal or publication because I don't have a PhD behind my name, so it's a moot point. You can discuss aquaponics among yourselves all you want and insist that the information in this article is correct, my wife and I are going to do it. KaimanaOMaunaKea ( talk) 18:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
I've just found this Video about aquaponics in Maui: vimeo.com/18196440 I don't know if this can be used in the article. -- MartinThoma ( talk) 17:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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Wouldn't it be a good idea to also include a walkthrough on how to start up an aquaponic system? ThomasMP ( talk) 07:25, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
It isn't a how to guide; no, but when information is offered in the most useful ways, it tends to explain itself in how-to ways. Once the article is populated I'm sure it will appear as a how-to. Referencing methods and things of the sorts.
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This is completely inaccurate "Nitrobacter: bacteria that convert nitrites into nitrates."
DNA testing has show that it is in fact Nitrospira, not Nitrobacter, that convert nitrites into nitrates.
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It would be interesting to have a section on safety risks, or general requirements to avoid contamination of food with zoonotic pathogens. In non-aquaponics contexts, fish-derived fertilizers usually require a few months of composting to be safe. A simple search for "Aquaponics risks and pathogens" comes up with interesting results, but having no experience in the field I'd have to swift through reliable sources and read some of the material myself. But perhaps that some editors do have knowledge about this already. As in any food production field, these risks must be managed. 76.10.128.192 ( talk) 00:23, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I think it would be interesting to include algae into the bacteria sections, and explain how it can be beneficial for the environment and the live component, which is fish in this case. Also it would be interesting to have a section on aquaponics and the effects it can have on the community. The article's diversity gives a good introduction to aquaponics and aquaculture, but does not state how much aquaponics techniques have evolved and its commercialization. Also the fast growth of aquaculture practice around the world,and that it is not always occuring with aquaponics, could have its place in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgndiaye ( talk • contribs) 14:20, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
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In the History section, there was a reference right at the end of a sentence regarding research done at North Carolina University, but that reference was not related to that research (it was pointing to a research paper about bell siphons, which are not present in sand grow beds like those used at NC Uni.). So, I placed a reference to the NC Uni. paper at the end of that sentence (this is not a new link, it was already present among the references in this Wikipedia article), then I added a sentence in the Wikipedia article, mentioning systems based on bell siphons, and I put the link to the bell siphon paper in a reference at the end of this new sentence. Additionally I made a reference to "Speraneo system" since this is how those systems are sometimes referred to, and added a reference to an ATTRA publication that talks about the origin of so-called Speraneo systems, I believe that ATTRA is not a commercial enterprise (see here) so I thought this would be acceptable. Thank you for reading this.
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The history section was edited on 01:43, 15 April 2024 by Fishmastablasta with the reason listed as "Incomplete sentence; more concise language" but upon inspection, the incomplete sentence was not completed, and there was no concise language added, instead, the user deleted this entire sentence;
"Shortly after, the various works of the New Alchemy Institute and the works of Dr. Mark McMurtry et al. at the North Carolina State University, who devised an "Integrated Aqua-Vegeculture System" (iAVs) based on the combination of aquaculture and sand-based grow beds."
The original references were not deleted and still remained in the 'references' section so i did not add a new reference, I edited the sentence that was deleted and added this version:
"Soon after, the numerous undertakings of the New Alchemy Institute and the endeavors of Dr. Mark McMurtry and others at North Carolina State University, who conceptualized an "Integrated Aqua-Vegeculture System" (iAVs) built on the integration of aquaculture and sand-based grow beds were established."
At 00:48, 16 April 2024 the user 2601:6c1:481:3f00:4d1b:4bf9:1654:1943 edited the history section and the reason that was listed for the edit was to "remove advertisement" but upon inspection, there was no advertisement and the user actually deleted the entire sentence.
I can see no reason why this sentence was removed on 2 different ocassions nor can I see why the deleted sentence was not mentioned in the edit.
I will find more references for clarity. Wiki142B ( talk) 03:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The wikipedia help article for content removal states:
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Perhaps related to the History Section discussion above, there's a new article at Integrated Aqua-Vegeculture System which mostly just discusses Aquaponics. The key work is already discussed here, and the background either duplicates content here or can be added to improve the content here. Klbrain ( talk) 11:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Some anon character keeps taking the link out because it is 'commercial in nature'. Given that nobody in their right mind would start an aquaponics business to make money and that all the other links seem to be selling something (or are trying to if the forms on the sites worked) deleting the link to aquaponics.com.au seems harsh. I would agree to the deletion if there was a proper aquaponics association site but there isn't and people using Wp should be able to get further info, Albatross2147 13:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up the links and explaining the process -- Muzza 08:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Two links were recently added: 1) Aquaponics Knowledge Base: is apparently a more specific link to a page on website that was formerly linked. This is an improvement over the previous link, but the amount of content on the page is really quite small. Is there a better resource available? There are only a few questions and the answers are quite brief. 2) Aquaponics information for Australia: is just a relink to website that was formerly linked. I see no need to link this website. The "information" it provides is very limited - a short faq and "Why aquaponics" page with just a few paragraphs. The rest of the site i devoted to selling books, products, and ciriculum. I'm sure for people in Australia who want to buy aquaponics supplies it is a very useful website, and I have no doubts that the owners are reputable. The content, however, does not justify an external link. Please join in the discussion. Nposs 14:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I am new to this so I am not sure if I am posting in the right place, so excuse my ignorance if it is wrong. I feel that my link just removed is a valuable contribution to the overall store of knowledge on the subject. My website as a whole is very information rich but does contain a commercial element, however my link to my knowledge Base, is very “Hands on” information, and does not seek to sell anything. I feel is very valuable to those seeking further information re Aquaponics from a practical application approach.
This Knowledge Base is only two weeks old and will grow very rapidly in content. If the Wikipedia is designed to be a more academic type of information source then I agree that my suggested link would possibly not be appropriate. I know well by the traffic we have to our Knowledge Base that it is very much appreciated by those seeking information on the practical application of Aquaponics. I appreciate your work and leave the decision in your hands. The link is as follows http://www.aquaponics.net.au/absolutefm/afmmain.asp?topicid=&faqid= --124.148.91.170 22:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Sorry, I neglected to log in before posting.--Muzza 22:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the response Nposs: That link that has been placed in there is NOT my link but that of a person who systematically interferes with other links on this site. (look at the IP address history you will see the regularity of his habits) The link that is there now is www.aquaponics.COM.au - my site is www.aquaponics.NET.au - We are not associated in any way whatsoever. We are both in Australia, that is about the only connection we have. I note that this time he has used someone else with a different IP to insert the link for him, just a little unethical I would have thought. I would not be so bold as to go right on past the directions given in your posting above and post a link that has been deemed to be of little value to the Wikipedia.I would hope that you do something about that link that is there now as it would be unfortunate that those of little or no ethics can march right past your attempts to keep the standard of the Wikipedia at the highest level.-- Muzza 21:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't having the links here on the Talk Page still give commercial in nature links a boost? I can still access the pages and they are still commercial in nature. Or am I missing the point?
Azollafern
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I have been one of the editors and contributors to this page. I feel the ONLY allowable links at this point should be directed toward not-for-profit, educational institutions such as UVI, University of North Carolina, University of Arizona and others not yet known who are doing research in closed recirculating tank culture. Also auqaculture associations that disseminate academic research and publications in this subject area. Any "for profit" links should be eliminated. For the record, the New Alchemy Institute was a private school however has made its publications available for free online. This should be allowed.
The links were my only way of citing researched material and at one point an information forum (which is not allowed and I accept that). However, pictures from the editor's personal system should not be allowed. Pictures only from non-profit institutions and/or academia should be allowed. My two cents. Michael Ferrini
"Thanks to all of you for your inputs and opinions; I read them all thoroughly before offering this post and my opinion. I think deciding the issue of links hinges on whether or not the link placed advances Wikipedia user's knowledge of a subject, or serves simply to advance the commercial interests of the link placer. We all use valuable things in our lives that we've purchased, and recommend the good ones without hesitation to our friends. In this instance, the fact that an item came from a commercial source rather than a non-profit one has nothing to do with how valuable it may be to us.
I placed a link to my website, friendlyaquaponics.com, on WP because we too are offering comprehensive aquaponics courses that advance the knowledge of aquaponics in the world, just as University of the Virgin Island is (UVI incidentally, is NOT a non-profit organization; they are part of the United States University system and as such simply have their expenses covered by the taxpayer). As a result of a single course we gave in October 2008 that had 78 attendees, 15 people have built and are operating aquaponics systems; six of those are commercial-scale systems; and four of those six have already been organically certified. This is from a single training out of the three we have given since our inception.
In comparison, the UVI administrators themselves state (as of 2007, when I took the course), there had been 450 attendees over the years, and two of them had built a commercial aquaponics system (one was my wife Susanne and I). In addition, our company offers a $50 aquaponics system construction manual package which contains most of what we know about aquaponics. It cost me $4,400 to advance my aquaponics knowledge by taking the UVI course, including airfare, hotel, car, and food. Whenever we receive an appeal for our courses (which cost from $50 up to $2,500) from a poorly-funded non-profit such as a church or NGO, we give them a copy of the course for the cost of mailing, or if it's a live course, we allow them to attend for free and often put their participant up at our house for free also.Which one of these organizations would you say has benefited the advancement of knowledge of aquaponics more?
Before you decide whether or not this link might be beneficial to WP users, we understand, from a recent graduate of the UVI course who subsequently also took our course, that UVI is shutting down its aquaponic program and course after the last one to be given in June 2010. Friendly Aquaponics may be one of the only sources for such detailed and in-depth information if this occurs. If you want to check out the effect we've had on the world, please see our page http://www.friendlyaquaponics.com/printcommercialtraining.html for comments from our course participants. Thanks for your consideration, Tim Mann, Friendly Aquaponics, Inc, email:kaimana@hawaiiantel.net November 15th, 2009 KaimanaOMaunaKea ( talk) 06:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't have time to add the article, but Angling for a Better Way to Farm Fish--And Vegetables, Too appears to be a pretty good article. II | ( t - c) 02:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC) cool ````sarah```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.113.118.24 ( talk) 14:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I reverted this page to a previously durable version of the aquaponics article after someone named Lfstevens performed 14 separate edits on the page in a four-hour period December 1st, without posting anything regarding the edits in the discussion area for aquaponics. Lfstevens says on his page (and I quote):
"I'm going to edit 1 page each day for awhile. Although I have strong opinions on most subjects, most of my edits are copy edits. Occasionally I'll dig deeper on topics with which I feel comfortable. My sentences generally have fewer subclauses and big words than those they replace. I also leave pages with less minutiae and more focus on the page's main idea(s)" (end quote).
Now I don't have a problem with someone who actually has in-depth personal knowledge of the subject they are editing making changes. We can all benefit from edits such as that. But in the absence of Lfstevens demonstrating a personal knowledge of aquaponics, and in the presence of some demonstrably wrong statements from him such as:
1. "Organic fish food" It doesn't exist yet, at least not in any commercial quantities; we've looked quite exhaustively.
2. "Duckweed" The weed from hell, we tried it. The tilapia DON'T eat it and it clogs the systems, using valuable nutrients that the plants could benefit from.
3. "Black soldier fly larvae" We tried that too, and tilapia, which are the primary fish used in most aquaponics systems in the US, do not eat them because they sink, and tilapia are hardwired to only eat floating food. The tilapia just watch the larvae drift on down past them when you throw them into the tank, without even touching them.
After finding these mistakes regarding aquaponics, it's difficult to understand why Lfstevens feels he (or she, don't want to discriminate here), is enough of an authority on aquaponics to edit this page so completely and change it so radically from what ALL the earlier editors thought was useful and accurate content.
Personally, my wife Susanne and I have only been doing commercial-scale aquaponics for two years, are the first aquaponics farm in the USA to get USDA organically certified and Food Safety Certified AND to get our produce into Costco, took the UVI Aquaponics Short Course in 2007, and are actually making money with our farm, something few aquaponics producers can claim. We got where we are on our own, without grants, free money, or investors; by working our butts off and living and breathing aquaponics for the last two years. So far, around twenty persons have built aquaponics systems after taking one of our classes, and five of them have gotten their systems certified organic using our guidance. Because of this, we feel we have a right to express an informed opinion about matters aquaponical. I also include my direct email address and real name so anyone who wishes to can contact me directly if they disagree with my editing or are curious as to where I obtained information, as we have a completely open source personal and business policy regarding aquaponic technology.
signed, Tim Mann, Friendly Aquaponics, Inc, email:kaimana@hawaiiantel.net November 15th, 2009 KaimanaOMaunaKea (talk) 06:20, 15 December 2009 (UTC —Preceding unsigned comment added by KaimanaOMaunaKea ( talk • contribs)
The article has now been made more concise, and is written more according to Wikipedia standards. As a result, I would like to propose a clear statement of the direction in which this article is headed, so that from here on it will remain free of commercial links with little value to the field of aquaponics as a whole, and duplicate information due to (unreferenced) redundant text copied from external sources. In other words, this article now has a higher submission standard. (If this makes you unsure about whether you can/may still contribute: I can help you, see the last paragraph.)
Motivation: It is in the best interest for anyone involved with aquaponics to be able to point people to a page that is easy to read and that clearly and explains the general principle and discusses the many forms in which it can be applied. It is acknowledged that existing commercial aquaponics systems are doing well, but Wikipedia is not the place to report individual successes, just as the article on agriculture does not discuss one single farm, but speaks of the total population.
What this article is not for: (see also: WP:NOT)
What this article is for:
For example, it is a good thing that the article discusses the "deep water aquaponics" (UVI) approach, which can be distinguished from the "reciprocating aquaponics" (NCSU). That particular section however lacks any kind of information in what way it is different and what the rationale is to use that system in stead. That way, the reader will understand that aquaponics can be performed in different ways. Such an explanation must always be supported by literature on the matter.
The above is a proposal and I would like to invite you to comment on it. Please do always keep in mind that a Wikipedia article is targeted at lay readers and as I said before, it is in all our best interest if we can point people to a sound article on Wikipedia on our subject matter. We can only build a comprehensive text if you add your knowledge too. If you need help with that (e.g. if you don't know how to incorporate your information into the text or add references), respond to this message below or write me via my talk page. -- Eddyspeeder ( talk) 15:43, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
This is a great article, but it needs a little TLC… spelling, grammar, and composition mostly, but also some things that either need to be referenced with scientific backing, qualified as unsubstantiated, or eliminated altogether.
I’ll start with the first paragraph:
The last sentence about the portmanteau should be the first sentence. (Composition)
The last word of that sentence should be hydroponics… not hydroponic. (Spelling)
Let’s not use the word “sustainable”. Its been bastardized by folks that have absolutely no interest in what sustainable really means, but boldly lie when they use it so they can sell us something. Good science speaks for itself without self-promotion.
Now expand on the portmanteau. For example, the next sentences could read: “Aquaculture is the management of aquatic systems to produce food like fish and crustaceans. Hydroponics is the production of plants using only nutrient solutions (without soil).”
Now explain why aquaponics is superior to either of these separately… the secret ingredient. “Aquaponics has been shown to produce higher plant yields than conventional hydroponics (Savidov et al) by utilizing the natural nutrients within the effluent of recirculating aquaculture systems. These nutrients are made available through complex microbiological processes that mimic the ecology of natural aquatic systems.”
As far as the existing text goes:
You don’t say “in the aquaculture” in English, you say “in aquaculture”
Furthermore, in aquaculture, you don’t let “effluents accumulate in the water, increasing toxicity for the fish “. I know what the author is trying to say, but there are better ways to say this. Let's describe what we do in terms that mirror natural processes.
The nutrients are not “filtered out by the plants”, they are made available by autotrophic bacteria and a host of other periphyton. But this information belongs in further explanations of the process, not in the introductory paragraph.
If you put it all together, I think it reads better, sticks to the facts, and uses proper grammar and spelling.
Aquaponics (pronounced: /ˈækwəˈpɒnɨks/) is a portmanteau of the terms aquaculture and hydroponics. Aquaculture is the management of aquatic systems to produce food like fish and crustaceans. Hydroponics is the production of plants using nutrient solutions, not soil. Aquaponics has been shown to produce higher plant yields than conventional hydroponics by utilizing nutrients within the effluent of recirculating aquaculture systems. These nutrients are made available to the plants through complex microbiological processes that mimic the ecology of natural aquatic systems. Bryghtknyght ( talk) 19:16, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
I completely support the contention of Eddyspeeder in the previous editing discussion, as he states: What this article is NOT for: (see also: WP:NOT)
* Reporting commercial successes of individual locations using aquaponics. * Mentioning different approaches (mainly by universities) without stating their findings. * Sharing opinionated, idealistic uses for aquaponics without providing actual cases.
What this article IS for:
* Providing an overview of aquaponics, backed by scientific and (statistical) market research. * Reporting the gist of (recent) empirical findings on aquaponics, referenced with proper literature. * Discussing initiatives and national/continental differences between the application of aquaponics.
I edited this article to remove the links and references that were commercial in nature. I left those such as links to YouTube videos that do not link to commercial sites, and those such as Travis Hughey's BarrelPonics and Will Allens Growing Power that link to non-profit sites (Travis and Will, you're doing GREAT work, keep it up, friends!). I corrected several misconceptions about aquaponics that were obviously written in by persons with limited or little experience of aquaponics. I made an effort to explain aquaponic concepts and processes in language that would be as easy as possible for Wikipedia users to understand, because I know this is Wikipedia's main purpose: to make this knowledge accessible to as many minds as possible.
The quantitative information I provide about aquaponics, energy use, water use, vegetable density and growing efficiency, and the corrections I provided to certain misconceptions about how aquapoonics works, about nitrifiers, or what tanks are "necessary" in an aquaponics system, all comes from personal experience in operating a profitable commercial aquaponics farm (isn't that an oxymoron) with my wife Susanne (who has a degree in biology and did pre-med in college) for three years now. We've done it all personally: UVI-type systems, our cost-effective adaptations of their design, organic certification, energy efficiency, off-grid aquaponics systems, and so on. To the best of our knowledge, we currently have the largest commercial aquaponics farm in the world at 6,800 square feet of trough and sprouting table area.
And I am in a bind here: Even though I have records, videos, photos, and mounds of filled-out forms: water quality, production weights and growth times, consumables usage records, species identification, and so on from our ongoing research in aquaponics, I cannot reference it because it is all commercial in nature. I could reference several copyrighted works that support the information I gave, but we wrote those works, and they are all sold commercially. I am asking the editing community at Wikipedia to trust me on this one; the commercial world is the test: we know what we're doing, or else we would have been out of business long ago. We started with Dr. James Rakocy's excellent work at UVI, and have developed it further since then in directions no one else has ever taken it. We developed organic aquaponics where no one had ever gotten certified before, and not only are certified by TWO of the largest organic certifying agencies in the US, but seven of our students have gotten certified also.
We are actually making money with our farm, something few aquaponics producers can claim. We got where we are on our own, without grants, research budgets, inheritances, or investors; we did it by working our butts off and living and breathing aquaponics for the last three and a half years. In the last two and a half years, we've trained 238 people in our Commercial Aquaponics Trainings. For those of you who want to dismiss us as only interested in money, we've given almost 50% of our participants full scholarships. One hundred and fourteen persons have built aquaponics systems after taking one of our classes; and seven of them have gotten their commercial systems USDA certified organic using our guidance and courses. These people are making money because of the information we developed (painfully and expensively) and sold to them relatively cheaply or gave them for free. Because of this, we feel we have a right to express an informed opinion about matters aquaponical. I also include my direct email address and real name so anyone who wishes to can contact me directly if they disagree with my editing or are curious as to where I obtained information, as we have a completely open source personal and business policy regarding aquaponic technology. We want to see everyone feeding themselves, SOON. A better world for all.
signed, Tim Mann, Friendly Aquaponics, Inc, email:kaimana@hawaiiantel.net February 3, 2011, KaimanaOMaunaKea ( talk) 22:41, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi friends
I replaced my previous edit with my previous edit. I'm going to continue to do so until this article is obviously edited by someone with more practical experience of aquaponics than I have. I would recognize such a person and such an edit immediately, as I have lived and breathed aquaponics for the last three and a half years in a successful commercial aquaponics farm. If such a person edited the page, I would contact them immediately and, if they were offering a course; I would take it at the first opportunity.
It is obvious from reading the misleading, incorrect, and partially correct information on the page that was the result of edits over the last two years that the people editing AND featured on the page (except for Travis Hughey and Will Allen) have little practical experience with aquaponics. To wit, there are no edits from Dr. James Rakocy, Dr. Wilson Lennard, or Dr. Gideon Hulata, for instance, some of the most knowledgeable aquaponics experts in the world. Although I do not claim to be in the same class as these university experts are, working in the real-world arena of commercial aquaponics paying the bills as my wife Susanne and I have done for the last three and a half years gives one a certain veracity also.
Everything in the section of the article I edited above the section "Ancient History" is based on our personal objective measurements of energy usage, water usage, fish and vegetable production, feed usage, etc, on our commercial aquaponics farm. We know scientific procedure, and follow it carefully and routinely in our R&D. Many others have duplicated our results in their home and commercial aquaponics systems. This is the test of whether something is valid or not in the scientific community: it is duplicatable, every time, by others using the same techniques and methods.
It's not simple information, and so I can't just put a sentence or two in the article to explain why things "are the way they are". We offer this information in our courses (for which we charge); it comes in the form of a 144-page single-spaced aquaponics manual, a 47-page aquaponics system construction manual with plans for six different sizes of aquaponics systems, and five 36-inch by 24-inch printed pages of CAD drawings that took me about a month to draw (and I've been doing AutoCAD for 25 years!). The questions some editors requested answers to are answered by this material, but because it is voluminous in nature, it CAN'T simply be incorporated into a Wikipedia article. It's also COMMERCIAL, and doesn't belong in a Wikipedia article because it would be a blatant advertisement of our company.
One Editor asked a question about "where the energy is saved...". To answer this would require about five single-spaced pages just to set the stage for understanding of the question (again, out of our COMMERCIAL materials). That won't fit in a Wikipedia article. And what the heck do I do when someone complains that there isn't enough information about organic certification in aquaponics systems? Put in another three pages on that, plus the sample application letter and forms (17 pages), that we include with our course?
I'm stuck; I CAN'T cite "references" without putting information on our commercial operation into the article, which I don't want to do! I don't want to toot our trumpet. I just want to give people good accurate information on aquaponics which simplifies their understanding of the subject rather than complicating it. I read the previous version, and even though I knew the subject those editors were referring to intimately, what they said didn't make any sense. I could tell by the way they were referring to it that they had no personal experience with it and little or no understanding of it as a result.
I'm sorry to seem as if I disrespect other editors by redoing this edit. Any edits on this article performed by Dr. James Rakocy, Dr. Wilson Lennard, or Dr. Gideon Hulata, because of their stature as ACTUAL aquaponics experts will be respected and kept. Out of respect for people trying to find accurate information on this subject, this article needs to be factual, from actual experience of the people editing it. If you contact me and tell me where you gained the personal experience with aquaponics your edits are coming from, then we have a basis for co-editing this article. I'm not editing anything else in Wikipedia; this is the one thing I really know well.
signed, Tim Mann, Friendly Aquaponics, Inc, email:kaimana@hawaiiantel.net February 6, 2011, KaimanaOMaunaKea ( talk) 04:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi guys I give up; I've got a farm to run and courses to give. You can continue with the wrong and misleading information. You're fifteen years behind the cutting edge of commercial aquaponics as it is, because of your insistence on referencing everything to professional journals. The most recent reference you have by someone who has really done something with aquaponics is Rakocy's article "Aquaponic production of tilapia and basil: Comparing a batch and staggered cropping system", which was published in 1997 or 98. And I'm not going to get anything into a journal or publication because I don't have a PhD behind my name, so it's a moot point. You can discuss aquaponics among yourselves all you want and insist that the information in this article is correct, my wife and I are going to do it. KaimanaOMaunaKea ( talk) 18:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
I've just found this Video about aquaponics in Maui: vimeo.com/18196440 I don't know if this can be used in the article. -- MartinThoma ( talk) 17:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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Wouldn't it be a good idea to also include a walkthrough on how to start up an aquaponic system? ThomasMP ( talk) 07:25, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
It isn't a how to guide; no, but when information is offered in the most useful ways, it tends to explain itself in how-to ways. Once the article is populated I'm sure it will appear as a how-to. Referencing methods and things of the sorts.
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This is completely inaccurate "Nitrobacter: bacteria that convert nitrites into nitrates."
DNA testing has show that it is in fact Nitrospira, not Nitrobacter, that convert nitrites into nitrates.
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It would be interesting to have a section on safety risks, or general requirements to avoid contamination of food with zoonotic pathogens. In non-aquaponics contexts, fish-derived fertilizers usually require a few months of composting to be safe. A simple search for "Aquaponics risks and pathogens" comes up with interesting results, but having no experience in the field I'd have to swift through reliable sources and read some of the material myself. But perhaps that some editors do have knowledge about this already. As in any food production field, these risks must be managed. 76.10.128.192 ( talk) 00:23, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I think it would be interesting to include algae into the bacteria sections, and explain how it can be beneficial for the environment and the live component, which is fish in this case. Also it would be interesting to have a section on aquaponics and the effects it can have on the community. The article's diversity gives a good introduction to aquaponics and aquaculture, but does not state how much aquaponics techniques have evolved and its commercialization. Also the fast growth of aquaculture practice around the world,and that it is not always occuring with aquaponics, could have its place in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgndiaye ( talk • contribs) 14:20, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
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In the History section, there was a reference right at the end of a sentence regarding research done at North Carolina University, but that reference was not related to that research (it was pointing to a research paper about bell siphons, which are not present in sand grow beds like those used at NC Uni.). So, I placed a reference to the NC Uni. paper at the end of that sentence (this is not a new link, it was already present among the references in this Wikipedia article), then I added a sentence in the Wikipedia article, mentioning systems based on bell siphons, and I put the link to the bell siphon paper in a reference at the end of this new sentence. Additionally I made a reference to "Speraneo system" since this is how those systems are sometimes referred to, and added a reference to an ATTRA publication that talks about the origin of so-called Speraneo systems, I believe that ATTRA is not a commercial enterprise (see here) so I thought this would be acceptable. Thank you for reading this.
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The history section was edited on 01:43, 15 April 2024 by Fishmastablasta with the reason listed as "Incomplete sentence; more concise language" but upon inspection, the incomplete sentence was not completed, and there was no concise language added, instead, the user deleted this entire sentence;
"Shortly after, the various works of the New Alchemy Institute and the works of Dr. Mark McMurtry et al. at the North Carolina State University, who devised an "Integrated Aqua-Vegeculture System" (iAVs) based on the combination of aquaculture and sand-based grow beds."
The original references were not deleted and still remained in the 'references' section so i did not add a new reference, I edited the sentence that was deleted and added this version:
"Soon after, the numerous undertakings of the New Alchemy Institute and the endeavors of Dr. Mark McMurtry and others at North Carolina State University, who conceptualized an "Integrated Aqua-Vegeculture System" (iAVs) built on the integration of aquaculture and sand-based grow beds were established."
At 00:48, 16 April 2024 the user 2601:6c1:481:3f00:4d1b:4bf9:1654:1943 edited the history section and the reason that was listed for the edit was to "remove advertisement" but upon inspection, there was no advertisement and the user actually deleted the entire sentence.
I can see no reason why this sentence was removed on 2 different ocassions nor can I see why the deleted sentence was not mentioned in the edit.
I will find more references for clarity. Wiki142B ( talk) 03:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The wikipedia help article for content removal states:
"Removing a section of an article needs to be at least explained and in some cases discussed. Unexplained content removal (UCR) occurs when the reason is not obvious; the edit is then open to being promptly reverted. Changes which remove one or more words without affecting the content need not be explained, though for all but the most minor ones it is a good idea to at least describe them in the edit summary."
If anything is deleted, othat than minor edits, please clearly state that you have removed content and mention why it has been removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki142B ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps related to the History Section discussion above, there's a new article at Integrated Aqua-Vegeculture System which mostly just discusses Aquaponics. The key work is already discussed here, and the background either duplicates content here or can be added to improve the content here. Klbrain ( talk) 11:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)