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this planing stuff is a mess --
-- and whats worse I think this article is technically wrong -- surely aquaplaning (or whatever) is the loss of friction between the vehicle and the ground, the wheels can rotate or not, until there is sufficient traction then the rotation of the wheels don't effect the vehicles speed.-- IMHO the problem when aquaplaning is steering, because without the tires being on the road you cannot steer. What happens as i recall is water builds up in a wave in front of the tires, a thin layer of water is trapped between the tyre and the road. The tread of the tyre tries to force the water to the outside the tire to increase grip.
Maybe someone could spellcheck, review and do something with the above
I think i this section needs a major tidy up
-- Davelane 23:13, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Has this article evolved enough to remove the stub listings? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Epolk ( talk • contribs) 04:54, 17 June 2005
I believe that there was a sports car that had dual wheels, arranged inline, in order to combat hydroplaning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.238.38.195 ( talk • contribs) 13:41, 6 July 2005
"They stop rotating," <---do they ever actually stop? This seems wrong.
Also, would planing on leaves be called "hydroplaning?" Hydro means water. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.44.39.88 ( talk • contribs) 06:41, 25 January 2006
I rewrote a lot of this article. In general, I feel it's technically accurate, though there is one particular line I'm not comfortable with:
"An element between the tires and the road that reduces friction, then, will diminish control. If that element is nonfrictional, like water, the vehicle may lose control entirely."
Water isn't 'nonfrictional'. I left it that way because clarifying would have ovewhelmed the point of that line, but what I meant is that water has very little relative friction with itself compared to that between rubber and road. I'm sure there's a technical term for this; adhesive coefficient or somesuch, though I suspect instead of finding it, that line could be rewritten to skirt around it.
Alexdi 03:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I should take a picture of the front of my car with the subheading: "This is what happens when a car hydroplanes into a jersey barrier on an interstate". — Deckill er 22:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I was reading the article and I noticed something that shouldn't have been there. I don't know the real thing to put instead, and I haven't altered the article, but this line needs to be changed: "Water pressure in front of the wheel forces a nigger to die under the leading edge of the tire, causing it to lift from the road." Sciwizeh ( talk) 02:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
The Crash Forensics paper referred to has no references, and seems to be a re-hash of someone else's thoughts. I think it is wrong, and have not seen similar descriptions in refereed technical papers on hydroplaning (these are not on the web), so cannot "prove" it is wrong. It is the usual 'the web is a rumour mill' result. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.87.155 ( talk) 23:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
It is easy to see why narrower tires will hydroplane less because they have less water to cut into and displace with the same weight/force. What I don't understand is why why longer contact area (therefore larger diameter)tires will help as mentioned in the article. Water skiis are long and thin yet hydroplane easily. My thinking is that you would want to minimize the area of contact in both dimensions to create maximum pressure on the road. Can any one explain how longer/larger diameter will help with a given fixed width and weight (all else equal)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.100.204.61 ( talk) 03:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
It is easy to see why narrower tires will hydroplane less because they have less water to cut into and displace with the same weight/force. What I don't understand is why why longer contact area (therefore larger diameter)tires will help as mentioned in the article. Water skiis are long and thin yet hydroplane easily. My thinking is that you would want to minimize the area of contact in both dimensions to create maximum pressure on the road. Can any one explain how longer/larger diameter will help with a given fixed width and weight (ie. all else equal)? Appreciate
The result of the move request was: page not moved: no consensus in 32 days. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 14:18, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Aquaplaning → Hydroplaning (tires) – Article was moved without discussion. Apparently hydroplaning is exclusive to American English. Per WP:ENGVAR we should keep the existing variety. Marcus Qwertyus ( talk) 05:27, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Please note that as the admin who moved it originally, I have absolutely no opinion about the correct title; I moved it based on some sources shown by another editor, not knowing that there was a contentious issue revolving around varieties of English. Qwyrxian ( talk) 04:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
The second picture "Two vehicles aquaplaning" is misleading. The cars are going trough puddle and watter is splahing and that's all. There is no aquaplanning. But I have no better picture :( David Valenta ( talk) 08:24, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Possibly an ENGVAR issue, although several !votes rely on personal experience. No such user ( talk) 13:22, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Aquaplaning → Hydroplaning – Hydroplaning seems to be the much more common word. Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 09:48, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
both terms are recognizable to all English variants. Are they? I'm not sure I'd agree. As a Brit, I would be more likely to think hydroplaning was some sort of sport!
"hydroplaning" has about 3-4x the prevalence across all English sources. Yes, well obviously it's going to have if it's the common name in the USA! Using that reasoning, we'd always default to the American terminology in every article with an ENGVAR issue with no specific national ties. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
there are more places that speak English than the US and the UK. Indeed there are, but of those that speak it as a native language most are part of the Commonwealth, which predominantly follow British usage. And this is, in any case, irrelevant to ENGVAR. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 08:19, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
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this planing stuff is a mess --
-- and whats worse I think this article is technically wrong -- surely aquaplaning (or whatever) is the loss of friction between the vehicle and the ground, the wheels can rotate or not, until there is sufficient traction then the rotation of the wheels don't effect the vehicles speed.-- IMHO the problem when aquaplaning is steering, because without the tires being on the road you cannot steer. What happens as i recall is water builds up in a wave in front of the tires, a thin layer of water is trapped between the tyre and the road. The tread of the tyre tries to force the water to the outside the tire to increase grip.
Maybe someone could spellcheck, review and do something with the above
I think i this section needs a major tidy up
-- Davelane 23:13, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Has this article evolved enough to remove the stub listings? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Epolk ( talk • contribs) 04:54, 17 June 2005
I believe that there was a sports car that had dual wheels, arranged inline, in order to combat hydroplaning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.238.38.195 ( talk • contribs) 13:41, 6 July 2005
"They stop rotating," <---do they ever actually stop? This seems wrong.
Also, would planing on leaves be called "hydroplaning?" Hydro means water. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.44.39.88 ( talk • contribs) 06:41, 25 January 2006
I rewrote a lot of this article. In general, I feel it's technically accurate, though there is one particular line I'm not comfortable with:
"An element between the tires and the road that reduces friction, then, will diminish control. If that element is nonfrictional, like water, the vehicle may lose control entirely."
Water isn't 'nonfrictional'. I left it that way because clarifying would have ovewhelmed the point of that line, but what I meant is that water has very little relative friction with itself compared to that between rubber and road. I'm sure there's a technical term for this; adhesive coefficient or somesuch, though I suspect instead of finding it, that line could be rewritten to skirt around it.
Alexdi 03:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I should take a picture of the front of my car with the subheading: "This is what happens when a car hydroplanes into a jersey barrier on an interstate". — Deckill er 22:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I was reading the article and I noticed something that shouldn't have been there. I don't know the real thing to put instead, and I haven't altered the article, but this line needs to be changed: "Water pressure in front of the wheel forces a nigger to die under the leading edge of the tire, causing it to lift from the road." Sciwizeh ( talk) 02:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
The Crash Forensics paper referred to has no references, and seems to be a re-hash of someone else's thoughts. I think it is wrong, and have not seen similar descriptions in refereed technical papers on hydroplaning (these are not on the web), so cannot "prove" it is wrong. It is the usual 'the web is a rumour mill' result. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.87.155 ( talk) 23:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
It is easy to see why narrower tires will hydroplane less because they have less water to cut into and displace with the same weight/force. What I don't understand is why why longer contact area (therefore larger diameter)tires will help as mentioned in the article. Water skiis are long and thin yet hydroplane easily. My thinking is that you would want to minimize the area of contact in both dimensions to create maximum pressure on the road. Can any one explain how longer/larger diameter will help with a given fixed width and weight (all else equal)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.100.204.61 ( talk) 03:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
It is easy to see why narrower tires will hydroplane less because they have less water to cut into and displace with the same weight/force. What I don't understand is why why longer contact area (therefore larger diameter)tires will help as mentioned in the article. Water skiis are long and thin yet hydroplane easily. My thinking is that you would want to minimize the area of contact in both dimensions to create maximum pressure on the road. Can any one explain how longer/larger diameter will help with a given fixed width and weight (ie. all else equal)? Appreciate
The result of the move request was: page not moved: no consensus in 32 days. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 14:18, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Aquaplaning → Hydroplaning (tires) – Article was moved without discussion. Apparently hydroplaning is exclusive to American English. Per WP:ENGVAR we should keep the existing variety. Marcus Qwertyus ( talk) 05:27, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Please note that as the admin who moved it originally, I have absolutely no opinion about the correct title; I moved it based on some sources shown by another editor, not knowing that there was a contentious issue revolving around varieties of English. Qwyrxian ( talk) 04:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
The second picture "Two vehicles aquaplaning" is misleading. The cars are going trough puddle and watter is splahing and that's all. There is no aquaplanning. But I have no better picture :( David Valenta ( talk) 08:24, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Possibly an ENGVAR issue, although several !votes rely on personal experience. No such user ( talk) 13:22, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Aquaplaning → Hydroplaning – Hydroplaning seems to be the much more common word. Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 09:48, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
both terms are recognizable to all English variants. Are they? I'm not sure I'd agree. As a Brit, I would be more likely to think hydroplaning was some sort of sport!
"hydroplaning" has about 3-4x the prevalence across all English sources. Yes, well obviously it's going to have if it's the common name in the USA! Using that reasoning, we'd always default to the American terminology in every article with an ENGVAR issue with no specific national ties. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
there are more places that speak English than the US and the UK. Indeed there are, but of those that speak it as a native language most are part of the Commonwealth, which predominantly follow British usage. And this is, in any case, irrelevant to ENGVAR. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 08:19, 28 July 2022 (UTC)