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I removed the screencap of the Brushed Metal skin (which is already on the Brushed Metal article). This article is about Aqua. It's really confusing for readers who never seen either skins when they see there are two screencaps on top of each other, especially when the non-topical Brushed Metal is on top of the topical Aqua screencap. For comparison, one should just click on Brushed Metal. And I note, in Brushed Metal article, there's only the Brushed Metal screencap, no Aqua. So why would the Aqua article have both? Not very balanced. -- Menchi 00:05, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Some of the folks at Windows Vista and Windows Aero are consistently removing commentary about the similarity of Vista/Aero to OS X/Aqua. Any help there would be appreciated. -- Gnetwerker 20:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Should some mention be made that the theme is more similiar to the System 7 window style than Mac OS 8's platinum? -- Steven Fisher 20:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, there'd need to be a general concensus that this is the case, and furthermore why is this really significant? Brianreading 08:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
System 7 used primarily black-on-white with blue accents. Platinum used a lower-contrast black-on-grey interface, and there was much complaint. Aqua went back to the System 7 ideas, and there was more complaint. Then Brushed Metal brought back a lot of the Platinum ideas (albeit with higher contrast), and there was still more complaint. I think it's pretty obvious comparing the four themes which interface inspires which. As to significance, that's why I didn't add it. The evolution of the interfaces is interesting in itself, but trying to ascribe motives to it is probably speculation or original research. The contrast point, at least, seems salvageable. Anyway, I asked because I'm not sure, so any feedback is welcome. :) -- Steven Fisher 17:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I added the new screenshot instead of the screenshot of Xcode because I thought it gave a better idea of what the widgets looked like. It has the same license and and image format... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.118.198.115 ( talk) 00:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC).
It talks about how the duck brings in the windows, and mentions an effect called the "Suck Effect." While this technically exists (I use it), it is not accessible directly. It has to be activated by third party software. For this reason, I have removed it. Objections? - nyeguy 03:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't really have to be activated by third party software; defaults can be used in the Terminal to set it. I think it should be included, with a mention that it's undocumented. Falling Cloud 16:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, Control and Shift does not do "super slow-motion" in Leopard. I am removing the section. onekopaka ( talk) 04:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
The screenshot of Leopard at the top does not belong on this page, as Leopard's interface is not Aqua, but "Unified". The best screenshot to include here would be one of 10.0 or 10.1, because they were entirely Aqua (I.E no brushed metal or other textures.) -- Adam Fisher-Cox ( criticize or compliment) 00:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I am reverting it to a bigger version, because You can't really see the Aqua in the tiny version, and as Aqua is the focus of the article, I dont think anyone should have to click the picture to see the article topic illustrated.-- Adam Fisher-Cox ( criticize or compliment) 20:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Leopard is Aqua! Aqua is defined as the official GUI of Mac OS X, and thus the only appropriate Aqua screenshot would be of Mac OS X 10.5. Simply modifying aspects of the GUI in a new OS which brings about a nickname "Illuminous" doesn't change the fact that Leopard's GUI is officially called "Aqua". Aqua is named after the blue glass scrollbars and buttons still found in Leopard, but the only requirement is for "Aqua applications [to] incorporate color, depth, translucence, and complex textures into a visually appealing interface." See this document and this document from the official Apple developer documentation. By the way, searching for "Illuminous" in their documentation doesn't bring up any mention of GUI. "Unified" refers only to the style of a gradient, or "unified" color in program titlebars, found in both Tiger and Leopard, though this name only refers to the titlebar and not the GUI ( reference). This information should be included in the article (can one of the main authors incorporate it please?) and the references should dispel any incorrect notions. Althepal 03:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Apple still uses the phrase "Aqua" to describe the user interface of Mac OS X in a number of places in its developer documentation. All these documents use the term in that way, and were updated sometime after Leopard was announced and released: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] – Mipadi 22:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
You know, I wasn't aware of this, but Apple seem to have stripped the word Aqua from every part of their non-developer webpages. For example: per-Leopard release we have "This article shows you how get around the Mac's Aqua interface..." [7] and now we have "This article shows you how get around the Mac's interface..." [8]
Anyway there is no point having the one damn screenshot on every bloody article. Having a screenshot at the top of the article that shows what Aqua looked like when it was originally introduced, is just frankly more interesting. AlistairMcMillan 01:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
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I always thought the Dock was part of OS X, not Aqua – it's an application, not an object/class. Semicolons ( talk) 07:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
To me, Sidebar suggests a tool palette at the side of a window – the "sidebars" are actually just source lists, a type of table. It is still very rare to find controls in the sidebar. Semicolons ( talk) 07:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Several things to change:
Semicolons ( talk) 10:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not meant as a documentation of the Aqua interface, but as an encyclopaedic article that anybody should understand. What the hell is NSMatrix, NSTokenField, etc.? This is not at all explained in the article, and just information that you might need as a developer. However, developers can easily just take a look in the documentation to find their info. Wikipedia is NOT meant as a documentation. It would be better to remove this technical information to make the article understandable better. Just look at the Windows Aero article, they don't need any of this technical babbling to explain what Aero is and does. Neither does this article. I hope I get some input on this; otherwise I might just bluntly remove that information by myself. -- 79.93.179.56 ( talk) 16:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Somebody might want to explain how Aqua is incorporated into iPhone OS for the iPhone and iPod touch. Aqua is typically used on application icons as well as page headers inside of applications. 69.255.16.132 ( talk) 21:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Someone needs to add a section talking about the GUI changes to Aqua in Snow Leopard. These would include dark contextual menus in the Dock and transitions to dark window boarders for certain windows (such as Quick Time X). Althepal ( talk) 01:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
No one mentioned that Aqua has been reworked for Mac OS X Lion (for example the rectangular buttons and how the scrollbar changed). Why? -- Wernjump ( talk) 02:49, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
I think someone should upload the cocoa controls from Lion because there are subtle UI changes that should be shown — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.78.147 ( talk) 04:54, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I find it quite questionable that Aqua is even mostly written in C++. At least there should be a reference for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bail Fetter ( talk • contribs) 15:10, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't Lion and Mountain Lion's tweaks be put in the article. The buttons were changed in Lion, and the dock was changed in mountain lion. Jedieaston ( talk) 18:42, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Are there some names which have been involved in the artistic design of Aqua, maybe Jonathan Ive? User:ScotXW t@lk 17:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
In 2000, Forstall was a leading designer of the Mac’s new user interface, dubbed Aqua, which included water-themed visual cues such as translucent icons and reflectionsBut hopefully a more detailed source can be found. DFlhb ( talk) 19:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
As far as I can see, Aqua is a theme (computing) like Adwaita is one: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/?content=144237 User:ScotXW t@lk 21:40, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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I removed the screencap of the Brushed Metal skin (which is already on the Brushed Metal article). This article is about Aqua. It's really confusing for readers who never seen either skins when they see there are two screencaps on top of each other, especially when the non-topical Brushed Metal is on top of the topical Aqua screencap. For comparison, one should just click on Brushed Metal. And I note, in Brushed Metal article, there's only the Brushed Metal screencap, no Aqua. So why would the Aqua article have both? Not very balanced. -- Menchi 00:05, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Some of the folks at Windows Vista and Windows Aero are consistently removing commentary about the similarity of Vista/Aero to OS X/Aqua. Any help there would be appreciated. -- Gnetwerker 20:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Should some mention be made that the theme is more similiar to the System 7 window style than Mac OS 8's platinum? -- Steven Fisher 20:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, there'd need to be a general concensus that this is the case, and furthermore why is this really significant? Brianreading 08:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
System 7 used primarily black-on-white with blue accents. Platinum used a lower-contrast black-on-grey interface, and there was much complaint. Aqua went back to the System 7 ideas, and there was more complaint. Then Brushed Metal brought back a lot of the Platinum ideas (albeit with higher contrast), and there was still more complaint. I think it's pretty obvious comparing the four themes which interface inspires which. As to significance, that's why I didn't add it. The evolution of the interfaces is interesting in itself, but trying to ascribe motives to it is probably speculation or original research. The contrast point, at least, seems salvageable. Anyway, I asked because I'm not sure, so any feedback is welcome. :) -- Steven Fisher 17:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I added the new screenshot instead of the screenshot of Xcode because I thought it gave a better idea of what the widgets looked like. It has the same license and and image format... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.118.198.115 ( talk) 00:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC).
It talks about how the duck brings in the windows, and mentions an effect called the "Suck Effect." While this technically exists (I use it), it is not accessible directly. It has to be activated by third party software. For this reason, I have removed it. Objections? - nyeguy 03:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't really have to be activated by third party software; defaults can be used in the Terminal to set it. I think it should be included, with a mention that it's undocumented. Falling Cloud 16:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, Control and Shift does not do "super slow-motion" in Leopard. I am removing the section. onekopaka ( talk) 04:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
The screenshot of Leopard at the top does not belong on this page, as Leopard's interface is not Aqua, but "Unified". The best screenshot to include here would be one of 10.0 or 10.1, because they were entirely Aqua (I.E no brushed metal or other textures.) -- Adam Fisher-Cox ( criticize or compliment) 00:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I am reverting it to a bigger version, because You can't really see the Aqua in the tiny version, and as Aqua is the focus of the article, I dont think anyone should have to click the picture to see the article topic illustrated.-- Adam Fisher-Cox ( criticize or compliment) 20:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Leopard is Aqua! Aqua is defined as the official GUI of Mac OS X, and thus the only appropriate Aqua screenshot would be of Mac OS X 10.5. Simply modifying aspects of the GUI in a new OS which brings about a nickname "Illuminous" doesn't change the fact that Leopard's GUI is officially called "Aqua". Aqua is named after the blue glass scrollbars and buttons still found in Leopard, but the only requirement is for "Aqua applications [to] incorporate color, depth, translucence, and complex textures into a visually appealing interface." See this document and this document from the official Apple developer documentation. By the way, searching for "Illuminous" in their documentation doesn't bring up any mention of GUI. "Unified" refers only to the style of a gradient, or "unified" color in program titlebars, found in both Tiger and Leopard, though this name only refers to the titlebar and not the GUI ( reference). This information should be included in the article (can one of the main authors incorporate it please?) and the references should dispel any incorrect notions. Althepal 03:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Apple still uses the phrase "Aqua" to describe the user interface of Mac OS X in a number of places in its developer documentation. All these documents use the term in that way, and were updated sometime after Leopard was announced and released: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] – Mipadi 22:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
You know, I wasn't aware of this, but Apple seem to have stripped the word Aqua from every part of their non-developer webpages. For example: per-Leopard release we have "This article shows you how get around the Mac's Aqua interface..." [7] and now we have "This article shows you how get around the Mac's interface..." [8]
Anyway there is no point having the one damn screenshot on every bloody article. Having a screenshot at the top of the article that shows what Aqua looked like when it was originally introduced, is just frankly more interesting. AlistairMcMillan 01:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
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I always thought the Dock was part of OS X, not Aqua – it's an application, not an object/class. Semicolons ( talk) 07:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
To me, Sidebar suggests a tool palette at the side of a window – the "sidebars" are actually just source lists, a type of table. It is still very rare to find controls in the sidebar. Semicolons ( talk) 07:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Several things to change:
Semicolons ( talk) 10:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not meant as a documentation of the Aqua interface, but as an encyclopaedic article that anybody should understand. What the hell is NSMatrix, NSTokenField, etc.? This is not at all explained in the article, and just information that you might need as a developer. However, developers can easily just take a look in the documentation to find their info. Wikipedia is NOT meant as a documentation. It would be better to remove this technical information to make the article understandable better. Just look at the Windows Aero article, they don't need any of this technical babbling to explain what Aero is and does. Neither does this article. I hope I get some input on this; otherwise I might just bluntly remove that information by myself. -- 79.93.179.56 ( talk) 16:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Somebody might want to explain how Aqua is incorporated into iPhone OS for the iPhone and iPod touch. Aqua is typically used on application icons as well as page headers inside of applications. 69.255.16.132 ( talk) 21:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Someone needs to add a section talking about the GUI changes to Aqua in Snow Leopard. These would include dark contextual menus in the Dock and transitions to dark window boarders for certain windows (such as Quick Time X). Althepal ( talk) 01:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
No one mentioned that Aqua has been reworked for Mac OS X Lion (for example the rectangular buttons and how the scrollbar changed). Why? -- Wernjump ( talk) 02:49, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
I think someone should upload the cocoa controls from Lion because there are subtle UI changes that should be shown — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.78.147 ( talk) 04:54, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I find it quite questionable that Aqua is even mostly written in C++. At least there should be a reference for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bail Fetter ( talk • contribs) 15:10, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't Lion and Mountain Lion's tweaks be put in the article. The buttons were changed in Lion, and the dock was changed in mountain lion. Jedieaston ( talk) 18:42, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Are there some names which have been involved in the artistic design of Aqua, maybe Jonathan Ive? User:ScotXW t@lk 17:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
In 2000, Forstall was a leading designer of the Mac’s new user interface, dubbed Aqua, which included water-themed visual cues such as translucent icons and reflectionsBut hopefully a more detailed source can be found. DFlhb ( talk) 19:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
As far as I can see, Aqua is a theme (computing) like Adwaita is one: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/?content=144237 User:ScotXW t@lk 21:40, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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