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Action needed?
The article has been given a "notability" tag. Am I supposed to do something about this? It seems to me that an active duty soldier who goes on a hunger strike against the government actions is pretty notable, and the sources listed in the references thought so too.
Is there something wrong with the article that I need to fix?
I can talk more later, but for now I'll just point you at
WP:1E.
jlwoodwa (
talk) 03:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Also, there's an easier way to let editors know about a discussion: see {{ping}}.
jlwoodwa (
talk) 03:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
WagePeace,
jlwoodwa, I've been looking for somewhere this can be merged into and I'm honestly not sure, there's no central page afaict for US protests about the conflict in Gaza. There is
United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war, which lists protests/strikes/etc. under "Reactions", and
Israel–Hamas war protests in the United States. The latter includes a few sentences on Hebert, which could be expanded into a section (this current article is pretty short if you remove the quotes), but that article is very long already.
Re: the BLP1E bit, this article would best be focused on the hunger strike itself rather than Hebert as a person, like with
Self-immolation of Aaron Bushnell. At the very least, imo, it should be renamed and reformatted a bit.
WagePeace, the act itself doesn't confer notability: notability is based on coverage, and there really isn't that much. The sources are:
The Military.com and Task & Purpose articles are the most important from a notability perspective, but it's still not much. This might be worth moving to a subsection in the US protests article and a line in the "Reactions" section of the US support article.
Vermont (
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Thank you
jlwoodwa and
Vermont. I was not previously aware of the one event issue, and it makes sense. It is the hunger strike that is notable. I have changed the article to being about that. Please tell me if there are further changes to make it acceptable. It certainly doesn't have the same level of notability as Aaron Bushnell's self-immolation, but it still does seem notable that an active duty U.S. soldier went on a hunger strike against his government's actions.
WagePeace, I've moved it to Hunger strike of Larry Hebert, which seems more appropriate given that the coverage is almost exclusively about him, and that articles of this sort are usually "[action] of [person]". I noticed you
added mention of four others continuing the strike, though didn't add a source for this. I googled a bit and couldn't find one, can you add the source for that info?
Vermont (
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Vermont, yes, I realize that that information is based on my personal knowledge and I've reached out to colleagues to ask if there is verification of it somewhere, telling them that if we don't find that, the information might need to be removed from the article. So please give me a couple of days to see what I can find.
Okay. I'm copyediting it a bit now, hoping to bring it more into an encyclopedic, rather than journalistic, style. I also can't find a source for the end of the hunger strike; a primary source will do for that, if you can find one.
Vermont (
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Yes, sorry, that statement is the same situation -- my knowledge. My request to colleagues was for references on the statements both about Hebert being called back and about the others who carried on from him.
WagePeace, I'm reading the Task & Purpose article and realizing that basically all of the actually encyclopedically-relevant bits aren't said in the voice of their publication. E.g., sentences start with "According to Hebert" or "He said...", which implies they didn't fact-check what he said. Fortunately most of these are treated as fact by the Military.com article, but we can't use what Task & Purpose says with a higher level of credibility than they assign to it.
I've finished copyediting, and ended up removing a lot of the content that only had primary sources or wasn't clearly relevant.
Vermont (
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🏳️🌈) 21:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or
poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially
libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to
this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
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Action needed?
The article has been given a "notability" tag. Am I supposed to do something about this? It seems to me that an active duty soldier who goes on a hunger strike against the government actions is pretty notable, and the sources listed in the references thought so too.
Is there something wrong with the article that I need to fix?
I can talk more later, but for now I'll just point you at
WP:1E.
jlwoodwa (
talk) 03:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Also, there's an easier way to let editors know about a discussion: see {{ping}}.
jlwoodwa (
talk) 03:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
WagePeace,
jlwoodwa, I've been looking for somewhere this can be merged into and I'm honestly not sure, there's no central page afaict for US protests about the conflict in Gaza. There is
United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war, which lists protests/strikes/etc. under "Reactions", and
Israel–Hamas war protests in the United States. The latter includes a few sentences on Hebert, which could be expanded into a section (this current article is pretty short if you remove the quotes), but that article is very long already.
Re: the BLP1E bit, this article would best be focused on the hunger strike itself rather than Hebert as a person, like with
Self-immolation of Aaron Bushnell. At the very least, imo, it should be renamed and reformatted a bit.
WagePeace, the act itself doesn't confer notability: notability is based on coverage, and there really isn't that much. The sources are:
The Military.com and Task & Purpose articles are the most important from a notability perspective, but it's still not much. This might be worth moving to a subsection in the US protests article and a line in the "Reactions" section of the US support article.
Vermont (
🐿️—
🏳️🌈) 04:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you
jlwoodwa and
Vermont. I was not previously aware of the one event issue, and it makes sense. It is the hunger strike that is notable. I have changed the article to being about that. Please tell me if there are further changes to make it acceptable. It certainly doesn't have the same level of notability as Aaron Bushnell's self-immolation, but it still does seem notable that an active duty U.S. soldier went on a hunger strike against his government's actions.
WagePeace, I've moved it to Hunger strike of Larry Hebert, which seems more appropriate given that the coverage is almost exclusively about him, and that articles of this sort are usually "[action] of [person]". I noticed you
added mention of four others continuing the strike, though didn't add a source for this. I googled a bit and couldn't find one, can you add the source for that info?
Vermont (
🐿️—
🏳️🌈) 21:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Vermont, yes, I realize that that information is based on my personal knowledge and I've reached out to colleagues to ask if there is verification of it somewhere, telling them that if we don't find that, the information might need to be removed from the article. So please give me a couple of days to see what I can find.
Okay. I'm copyediting it a bit now, hoping to bring it more into an encyclopedic, rather than journalistic, style. I also can't find a source for the end of the hunger strike; a primary source will do for that, if you can find one.
Vermont (
🐿️—
🏳️🌈) 21:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, sorry, that statement is the same situation -- my knowledge. My request to colleagues was for references on the statements both about Hebert being called back and about the others who carried on from him.
WagePeace, I'm reading the Task & Purpose article and realizing that basically all of the actually encyclopedically-relevant bits aren't said in the voice of their publication. E.g., sentences start with "According to Hebert" or "He said...", which implies they didn't fact-check what he said. Fortunately most of these are treated as fact by the Military.com article, but we can't use what Task & Purpose says with a higher level of credibility than they assign to it.
I've finished copyediting, and ended up removing a lot of the content that only had primary sources or wasn't clearly relevant.
Vermont (
🐿️—
🏳️🌈) 21:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply