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The name Apries is the name bestowed on this pharaoh by Ancient Greek scholars, but he was known natively as Wahibre. Given that the general convention for naming pharaohs on Wikipedia seems to favour the native naming conventions (other examples: Khafra over Chephren, or Sneferu over Soris, or, another member of this dynasty Psamtik II or Psammetichus), I propose that this article be re-named to Wahibre in keeping with the naming convention used by other pharaohs of this era.
Similarly I would also argue that the only other Greek-named pharaoh of this dynasty, namely Necho, be renamed Nekau instead.
I note that modern Egyptological scholars like Aidan Dodson and Dyan Hilton in their recent The Complete Royal Families of Ancient Egypt and Peter A. Clayton in his Chronicle of the Pharaohs use this form of the name, and I believe these represent a growing trend favouring the usage of this form of the name. Captmondo ( talk) 03:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Oppose reluctantly for Apries. In this individual case, 'Apries' is the most popular and recognizable name for this king. Brittanica uses it to refer to him (I checked my local public library for information in this encyclopedia on this king) whereas Wahibre is a currently obscure name for him. Wahibre might also be confusing since it is the prenomen of Wahibre Ibiau, a 13th dynasty king. Finally, even the Metropolitian Museum has no problems referring to Apries here Naturally one prefers to use a native king's name for an article but I think it is better to stick with Apries for now rather than Wahibre. Even Egypt Sites doesn't have a problem referring to Apries: [1] As for Necho, I would support renaming their 2 articles into Nekau because their names (Necho vs Nekau) are very similar in Greek and Egyptian anyway. -- Leoboudv ( talk) 09:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Article states: "Apries (Ancient Greek: Ἁπρίης) is the name by which Herodotus (ii. 161) and Diodorus (i. 68) designate Wahibre Haaibre, Ουαφρης, a pharaoh of Egypt (589 BC – 570 BC), the fourth king (counting from Psamtik I) of the Twenty-sixth dynasty of Egypt.[3] He was equated with the Waphres of Manetho, who correctly records that he reigned for 19 years. Apries is also called Hophra in Jeremiah 44:30.[4]"
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The name Apries is the name bestowed on this pharaoh by Ancient Greek scholars, but he was known natively as Wahibre. Given that the general convention for naming pharaohs on Wikipedia seems to favour the native naming conventions (other examples: Khafra over Chephren, or Sneferu over Soris, or, another member of this dynasty Psamtik II or Psammetichus), I propose that this article be re-named to Wahibre in keeping with the naming convention used by other pharaohs of this era.
Similarly I would also argue that the only other Greek-named pharaoh of this dynasty, namely Necho, be renamed Nekau instead.
I note that modern Egyptological scholars like Aidan Dodson and Dyan Hilton in their recent The Complete Royal Families of Ancient Egypt and Peter A. Clayton in his Chronicle of the Pharaohs use this form of the name, and I believe these represent a growing trend favouring the usage of this form of the name. Captmondo ( talk) 03:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Oppose reluctantly for Apries. In this individual case, 'Apries' is the most popular and recognizable name for this king. Brittanica uses it to refer to him (I checked my local public library for information in this encyclopedia on this king) whereas Wahibre is a currently obscure name for him. Wahibre might also be confusing since it is the prenomen of Wahibre Ibiau, a 13th dynasty king. Finally, even the Metropolitian Museum has no problems referring to Apries here Naturally one prefers to use a native king's name for an article but I think it is better to stick with Apries for now rather than Wahibre. Even Egypt Sites doesn't have a problem referring to Apries: [1] As for Necho, I would support renaming their 2 articles into Nekau because their names (Necho vs Nekau) are very similar in Greek and Egyptian anyway. -- Leoboudv ( talk) 09:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Article states: "Apries (Ancient Greek: Ἁπρίης) is the name by which Herodotus (ii. 161) and Diodorus (i. 68) designate Wahibre Haaibre, Ουαφρης, a pharaoh of Egypt (589 BC – 570 BC), the fourth king (counting from Psamtik I) of the Twenty-sixth dynasty of Egypt.[3] He was equated with the Waphres of Manetho, who correctly records that he reigned for 19 years. Apries is also called Hophra in Jeremiah 44:30.[4]"