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The A, M, and S-series tables all show a list of devices that use the SoC. This seems a bit backwards since the SoC is a property of the device, not the other way around. The tables further include which OS is supported on each device it runs on. The OS that run on the devices these chips are used in are however not a property of the SoC either. The M-series table goes even further and lists connectivity, which again isn't a property of the SoC. Furthermore, these columns are all responsible for greatly enlarging these tables beyond readability. Should we remove these columns? YannickFran ( talk) 14:11, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
To address this further; some of these cells even contain enough data that would almost warrant a table within the cell itself. This is ridiculous. One of the subcolumns in "Ports" is labeled "Max". What does that even mean? I know what it is trying to convey, but most readers won't. Either way, this column then proceeds to duplicate the information from the previous 2.
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The connectivity and devices sections are not essential to these tables, and you just point out the problem: "info for people who want to know what devices and what ports those devices have". Exactly. These are specs related to the devices, these are listed on their respective articles and the articles about these SoCs specifically also indicate which devices use them. The device specs have nothing to do with the SoCs themselves, they do not belong here. We don't do this on any other list of SoCs/CPUs/etc. either for a reason. Nobody is going to look up "Apple Silicon" to check if their MacBook has Thunderbolt. And given that the table doesn't even specify which devices are actually being referred to with every "or" in it, this is pointless either way.
I've made a simple attempt at removing this information from the A-series table, but simply deleting these columns breaks the entire table right now. The markup of that table seems to be completely broken. So when I find the time to clean that up, I will.
I've restored to cleaned-up table with all changes made to it afterwards re-applied. -- YannickFran ( talk) 11:16, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
And even more on the nose: even the articles specifically about the processors don't mention this, because this information simply doesn't belong in these articles. It having been there for years is not an argument to keep it.-- YannickFran ( talk) 13:30, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
The connectivity of the laptops, desktops, or whatever they are used in has nothing to do with the SoCs themselves, which is perfectly showcased by the fact that each cell contains a table worth of data all on its own.Agree 100% on that. Guy Harris ( talk) 13:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
The table still hasn't been updated with the M3 series released 30 Oct 2023. Pkirvan ( talk) 00:58, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Currently "EOS 1" redirects here, instead of pointing to the page about the EOS 1 camera. Since the string "EOS 1" isn't even present in this article (in fact, just the string "EOS" isn't), this is obviously erroneous and unhelpful. Okto8 ( talk) 16:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
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the M4 is listed as having the same 3.533 TFLOPS as the M3. I have seen that the M4 is around 4.1 TFLOPS Daniebello ( talk) 09:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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The A, M, and S-series tables all show a list of devices that use the SoC. This seems a bit backwards since the SoC is a property of the device, not the other way around. The tables further include which OS is supported on each device it runs on. The OS that run on the devices these chips are used in are however not a property of the SoC either. The M-series table goes even further and lists connectivity, which again isn't a property of the SoC. Furthermore, these columns are all responsible for greatly enlarging these tables beyond readability. Should we remove these columns? YannickFran ( talk) 14:11, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
To address this further; some of these cells even contain enough data that would almost warrant a table within the cell itself. This is ridiculous. One of the subcolumns in "Ports" is labeled "Max". What does that even mean? I know what it is trying to convey, but most readers won't. Either way, this column then proceeds to duplicate the information from the previous 2.
This comment was made by 67.84.203.109:
The connectivity and devices sections are not essential to these tables, and you just point out the problem: "info for people who want to know what devices and what ports those devices have". Exactly. These are specs related to the devices, these are listed on their respective articles and the articles about these SoCs specifically also indicate which devices use them. The device specs have nothing to do with the SoCs themselves, they do not belong here. We don't do this on any other list of SoCs/CPUs/etc. either for a reason. Nobody is going to look up "Apple Silicon" to check if their MacBook has Thunderbolt. And given that the table doesn't even specify which devices are actually being referred to with every "or" in it, this is pointless either way.
I've made a simple attempt at removing this information from the A-series table, but simply deleting these columns breaks the entire table right now. The markup of that table seems to be completely broken. So when I find the time to clean that up, I will.
I've restored to cleaned-up table with all changes made to it afterwards re-applied. -- YannickFran ( talk) 11:16, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
And even more on the nose: even the articles specifically about the processors don't mention this, because this information simply doesn't belong in these articles. It having been there for years is not an argument to keep it.-- YannickFran ( talk) 13:30, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
The connectivity of the laptops, desktops, or whatever they are used in has nothing to do with the SoCs themselves, which is perfectly showcased by the fact that each cell contains a table worth of data all on its own.Agree 100% on that. Guy Harris ( talk) 13:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
The table still hasn't been updated with the M3 series released 30 Oct 2023. Pkirvan ( talk) 00:58, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Currently "EOS 1" redirects here, instead of pointing to the page about the EOS 1 camera. Since the string "EOS 1" isn't even present in this article (in fact, just the string "EOS" isn't), this is obviously erroneous and unhelpful. Okto8 ( talk) 16:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
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the M4 is listed as having the same 3.533 TFLOPS as the M3. I have seen that the M4 is around 4.1 TFLOPS Daniebello ( talk) 09:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)