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It seems to me that this article is more in line with the Apple today (faceless machine for collecting royalties) than the bizarre creature it started out as. It really needs some 60s perspective - the "western communism" quote, the mountain of demo tapes, the Magic Alex saga, the Apple Boutique give away, Krishna and David Peel records, the drink and drugs etc etc. Some of these have seperate pages, but IMHO the Apple article itself presents it as a soul-less boring corporation!
[I know, I ought to do it myself but it'll have to go on the bottom of a very long todo list!] -- kingboyk 03:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I've created a stub article on Apple Films. Additions and improvements are most welcome. -- kingboyk 19:20, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I am planning to merge in the articles on Apple Films, Electronics and Studio. This will make the Apple Corps article longer and more interesting, and remove 3 short articles from the database. -- kingboyk 20:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Did Apple Films make any movies other than the 2 listed here?
Oh, and, does anybody else read this talk page? I seem to be talking to myself! :-) -- kingboyk 13:39, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've learnt something new today, thanks to a recent edit! I didn't know that Apple Films made a Dracula movie starring Ringo and Nilsson. Nor had I heard of "Rapple" (RCA/Apple). Thanks for that. -- kingboyk 19:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
This does not say who owns it now, does Maccartney still own this joint or not? Is mcaratney involved in suing itunes? is he the greedy sob doingh that? or noghtt?-- 203.208.102.224 12:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Good Article nomination for this is on hold at the moment due to the above image not having either source infomation or a fair use rationale. If this is not corrected within 7 days, the article may be failed. Alexj2002 09:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
As 203.208.102.224 noted, the article does not explain the current ownership situation of Apple Corps. This is a major omission and the article can therefore not become a good article. Some additional information on how the company arrived at its current ownership situation or the revenues/worth of the company would also benefit the article. Cedars 06:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Seems like there should be something about the Nike use of "Revolution" in a commercial and the subsequent cancellation of that commercial. Nick 20:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please provide a reference for the sentence regarding the above mentioned bit in the section on Apple Publishing? I have never heard of this and -should we know who Matt Fury is, because I certainly don't.
beatlemoney.com has a selection of quotations from press clippings and books about the early days of Apple Corps. -- kingboyk 19:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I remember reading quite a few times that especially Paul, most interested in their financial affairs, NEMS and stuff, said in a number of interviews that Apple "had been around for ages" due to that attempt at dodging taxes, before they tried to "get hold of it" themselves and make use of it due to Brian's death in the summer of '67. Kind of like it had been sitting in the corner for years without anyone knowing what it could be good for until Paul attempted to replace Brian as their manager and this lead to the final concept of Apple as
something like a charity organisation for artists. According to [1], Apple was nothing but a mere renaming of Beatles, Ltd. and that Apple took very long before getting an own office, that is "not until the autumn of 1967", "in September". Also, how could there be an additional Apple boutique in 1967 if Apple wasn't founded before 1968? -- Tlatosmd 17:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The Company was founded on 20 June 1963, according to Companies House.
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/b63b351051c362eb45373bc8fc3bdf06/compdetails
Companies House doesn't publish name changes on the web entry that happened more than 20 years ago. So the date of a name change from "Beatles" to "Apple" is not available however if this entity was in fact "The Beatles" in one sense the Beatles never broke up since really the company number is what matters, all they did was change their name to "Apple". This does conflict with the date of "formation" of 1968 quoted in the article.
They just want money and apple's logo is in the shape of an apple but still, its not original; many things have apples as logos and you can't sue someone for that. Apples appear all the time in nature, and these retarded people think they can sue anyone who shows an apple on anything. They're not worried about their trademark, they just want money! And the only company big enough to offer them any is Apple, Inc. I am 100% mac and I hate this corp from now on and I think Apple deserves their money back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uber-Awesomeness ( talk • contribs) 00:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
i have a beatles watch, with all 4 heads acting as the second hand. wind-up. i cant find it any where on the inter-net. made by the apple corps. 1989. is there any history to this, and any value to collectors? works and looks great. ty, randy4343147@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.74.65.136 ( talk) 02:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC) Congratulations! Keep it! -- 79.220.19.63 ( talk) 19:36, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
The press page for The Beatles: Rock Band has a slightly different Apple Corps logo. Is it worth updating the logo to that version? Trivialist ( talk) 20:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
But apples logo is almost the same because its only an apple and its name is exactly the same. This is apple corp and macs apple is just called apple —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.31.254 ( talk) 03:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson owned much of the Beatles music. But now he is dead. So does Apple own it or is it part of MJ's estate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.77.60.127 ( talk) 05:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I see Apple Inc. as parent. Aren't the 4 Beatles the only shareholders of Apple Corp.? warpozio ( talk) 12:22, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
This article as well as The Beatles#Song catalogue make it sound like all that Apple has ever owned of The Beatles's own works were three films (MMT, Yellow Submarine, and Let it Be) and maybe a few books via Apple Publishing/Apple Books. What about the Anthology (documentary series, CD box, book)? Why did already all the Beatles studio albums of the 1987/88 CD releases from 1965's Help onwards carry the green Apple logo, as well as the Past Masters singles collection? (Note how this is clearly different from how the article currently states that Beatles albums only began carrying the Apple logo from 1968 onwards, which would make either the YS soundtrack or the White Album the first.) All the home video releases I've seen of Help also have the Apple logo either at the start or end. Finally, are there any relations between Apple and HandMade Films, maybe even including PythonMusic? None of that is addressed in the article so far. -- 2003:71:4F24:A24:D80C:D58A:ED3C:E955 ( talk) 17:32, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
There's a section in the article quoting Paul McCartney about the painting that inspired the Apple logo in 1967.
In my garden at Cavendish Avenue, which was a 100-year-old house I’d bought, Robert was a frequent visitor. One day he got hold of a Magritte he thought I’d love. Being Robert, he would just get it and bring it. I was out in the garden with some friends. I think I was filming Mary Hopkin with a film crew, just getting her to sing live in the garden, with bees and flies buzzing around, high summer. We were in the long grass, very beautiful, very country-like. We were out in the garden and Robert didn’t want to interrupt, so when we went back in the big door from the garden to the living room, there on the table he’d just propped up this little Magritte. It was of a green apple. That became the basis of the Apple logo. Across the painting Magritte had written in that beautiful handwriting of his ‘Au revoir’. And Robert had split. I thought that was the coolest thing anyone’s ever done with me".
McCartney must've misremembered, because in 1967 Mary Hopkin was an unknown 17 year old living in Pontardawe who had yet to appear on Opportunity Knocks and gain McCartney's attention. Perhaps he was filming with Hopkin when he got the inspiration for the logo - her 'Those Were The Days' was among the first Apple singles in August 1968 and I currently can't find any earlier examples of the logo than that month, but the year is most certainly wrong. Is there a consensus on what to do when a quote can't be right? Humbledaisy ( talk) 13:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
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It seems to me that this article is more in line with the Apple today (faceless machine for collecting royalties) than the bizarre creature it started out as. It really needs some 60s perspective - the "western communism" quote, the mountain of demo tapes, the Magic Alex saga, the Apple Boutique give away, Krishna and David Peel records, the drink and drugs etc etc. Some of these have seperate pages, but IMHO the Apple article itself presents it as a soul-less boring corporation!
[I know, I ought to do it myself but it'll have to go on the bottom of a very long todo list!] -- kingboyk 03:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I've created a stub article on Apple Films. Additions and improvements are most welcome. -- kingboyk 19:20, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I am planning to merge in the articles on Apple Films, Electronics and Studio. This will make the Apple Corps article longer and more interesting, and remove 3 short articles from the database. -- kingboyk 20:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Did Apple Films make any movies other than the 2 listed here?
Oh, and, does anybody else read this talk page? I seem to be talking to myself! :-) -- kingboyk 13:39, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've learnt something new today, thanks to a recent edit! I didn't know that Apple Films made a Dracula movie starring Ringo and Nilsson. Nor had I heard of "Rapple" (RCA/Apple). Thanks for that. -- kingboyk 19:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
This does not say who owns it now, does Maccartney still own this joint or not? Is mcaratney involved in suing itunes? is he the greedy sob doingh that? or noghtt?-- 203.208.102.224 12:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Good Article nomination for this is on hold at the moment due to the above image not having either source infomation or a fair use rationale. If this is not corrected within 7 days, the article may be failed. Alexj2002 09:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
As 203.208.102.224 noted, the article does not explain the current ownership situation of Apple Corps. This is a major omission and the article can therefore not become a good article. Some additional information on how the company arrived at its current ownership situation or the revenues/worth of the company would also benefit the article. Cedars 06:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Seems like there should be something about the Nike use of "Revolution" in a commercial and the subsequent cancellation of that commercial. Nick 20:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please provide a reference for the sentence regarding the above mentioned bit in the section on Apple Publishing? I have never heard of this and -should we know who Matt Fury is, because I certainly don't.
beatlemoney.com has a selection of quotations from press clippings and books about the early days of Apple Corps. -- kingboyk 19:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I remember reading quite a few times that especially Paul, most interested in their financial affairs, NEMS and stuff, said in a number of interviews that Apple "had been around for ages" due to that attempt at dodging taxes, before they tried to "get hold of it" themselves and make use of it due to Brian's death in the summer of '67. Kind of like it had been sitting in the corner for years without anyone knowing what it could be good for until Paul attempted to replace Brian as their manager and this lead to the final concept of Apple as
something like a charity organisation for artists. According to [1], Apple was nothing but a mere renaming of Beatles, Ltd. and that Apple took very long before getting an own office, that is "not until the autumn of 1967", "in September". Also, how could there be an additional Apple boutique in 1967 if Apple wasn't founded before 1968? -- Tlatosmd 17:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The Company was founded on 20 June 1963, according to Companies House.
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/b63b351051c362eb45373bc8fc3bdf06/compdetails
Companies House doesn't publish name changes on the web entry that happened more than 20 years ago. So the date of a name change from "Beatles" to "Apple" is not available however if this entity was in fact "The Beatles" in one sense the Beatles never broke up since really the company number is what matters, all they did was change their name to "Apple". This does conflict with the date of "formation" of 1968 quoted in the article.
They just want money and apple's logo is in the shape of an apple but still, its not original; many things have apples as logos and you can't sue someone for that. Apples appear all the time in nature, and these retarded people think they can sue anyone who shows an apple on anything. They're not worried about their trademark, they just want money! And the only company big enough to offer them any is Apple, Inc. I am 100% mac and I hate this corp from now on and I think Apple deserves their money back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uber-Awesomeness ( talk • contribs) 00:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
i have a beatles watch, with all 4 heads acting as the second hand. wind-up. i cant find it any where on the inter-net. made by the apple corps. 1989. is there any history to this, and any value to collectors? works and looks great. ty, randy4343147@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.74.65.136 ( talk) 02:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC) Congratulations! Keep it! -- 79.220.19.63 ( talk) 19:36, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
The press page for The Beatles: Rock Band has a slightly different Apple Corps logo. Is it worth updating the logo to that version? Trivialist ( talk) 20:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
But apples logo is almost the same because its only an apple and its name is exactly the same. This is apple corp and macs apple is just called apple —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.31.254 ( talk) 03:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson owned much of the Beatles music. But now he is dead. So does Apple own it or is it part of MJ's estate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.77.60.127 ( talk) 05:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I see Apple Inc. as parent. Aren't the 4 Beatles the only shareholders of Apple Corp.? warpozio ( talk) 12:22, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
This article as well as The Beatles#Song catalogue make it sound like all that Apple has ever owned of The Beatles's own works were three films (MMT, Yellow Submarine, and Let it Be) and maybe a few books via Apple Publishing/Apple Books. What about the Anthology (documentary series, CD box, book)? Why did already all the Beatles studio albums of the 1987/88 CD releases from 1965's Help onwards carry the green Apple logo, as well as the Past Masters singles collection? (Note how this is clearly different from how the article currently states that Beatles albums only began carrying the Apple logo from 1968 onwards, which would make either the YS soundtrack or the White Album the first.) All the home video releases I've seen of Help also have the Apple logo either at the start or end. Finally, are there any relations between Apple and HandMade Films, maybe even including PythonMusic? None of that is addressed in the article so far. -- 2003:71:4F24:A24:D80C:D58A:ED3C:E955 ( talk) 17:32, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
There's a section in the article quoting Paul McCartney about the painting that inspired the Apple logo in 1967.
In my garden at Cavendish Avenue, which was a 100-year-old house I’d bought, Robert was a frequent visitor. One day he got hold of a Magritte he thought I’d love. Being Robert, he would just get it and bring it. I was out in the garden with some friends. I think I was filming Mary Hopkin with a film crew, just getting her to sing live in the garden, with bees and flies buzzing around, high summer. We were in the long grass, very beautiful, very country-like. We were out in the garden and Robert didn’t want to interrupt, so when we went back in the big door from the garden to the living room, there on the table he’d just propped up this little Magritte. It was of a green apple. That became the basis of the Apple logo. Across the painting Magritte had written in that beautiful handwriting of his ‘Au revoir’. And Robert had split. I thought that was the coolest thing anyone’s ever done with me".
McCartney must've misremembered, because in 1967 Mary Hopkin was an unknown 17 year old living in Pontardawe who had yet to appear on Opportunity Knocks and gain McCartney's attention. Perhaps he was filming with Hopkin when he got the inspiration for the logo - her 'Those Were The Days' was among the first Apple singles in August 1968 and I currently can't find any earlier examples of the logo than that month, but the year is most certainly wrong. Is there a consensus on what to do when a quote can't be right? Humbledaisy ( talk) 13:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)