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Although information about this tour is a bit premature, I am going to go ahead and create the article and add information as possible. Please, let's not turn this into chaos, please discuss any significant article changes here or place rationale for any edits here as well. Itsbydesign ( talk) 00:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Recently, Jwad moved the article to Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour. Although this the "official" name of the tour, the tour is being acknowledge by different names in different regions. In Japan, it is called Aphrodite Tour and in North America, it's known as Aphrodite Live. In my belief, it is better to acknowledge the tour by a universal name since the ALFT is not how the tour is advertised in all regions. If the tour was known by one name, I would have no problem agreeing with the move. Additionally, I don't understand someone placing a "year" in the tour title, especially if the tour caries on for multiple years. So to sum up m y point, I feel that for encyclopedic purposes, the article should be a common universal name mentioned the different names in each region. Itsbydesign ( talk) 00:32, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Their account is: http://twitter.com/#!/KylieLesFolies and my account is: http://twitter.com/#!/Chrisjcxa . And the dialogue was: Me: @KylieLesFolies Could you please clarify the official name of the tour? To my understanding it is 'Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour' universally. @KylieLesFolies But more specifically Aphrodite-LesFolies2011 forEurope & Aphrodite-Live2011 for the rest of the so far announced tourstops? Them: @Chrisjcxa yes, that's pretty well said Also it is pretty clear at the facebook page of the tour what the general name is: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kylie-Aphrodite-World-Tour/137465679622201?v=wall And at the bottom of this page, you can see the name of each leg, where the dates for the tour are: http://www.kylie.com/tour/#tourscrollto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.212.70.133 ( talk) 22:52, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Hope this helps. And I also hope I didn't mess up with anything... Chrisjcxa ( talk) 20:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
On the official facebook page of the tour it is titled Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour. Here's the page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kylie-Aphrodite-World-Tour/137465679622201?v=wall Now, on the official site Kylie.com you see that the European leg is called Aphrodite Les Folies Tour (2011) and the rest of the dates/legs (all of whom most probably feature the scaled-down version) are called Aphrodite Live 2011. The two 'legs' also feature totally different banner/promotional poster, but I cannot find the source right now. Here are the links: http://www.kylie.com/tour/#tourscrollto http://www.kylie.com/news/kylie-adds-more-uk-dates-to-aphrodite-les-folies-tour-2011/ http://www.kylie.com/news/the-aphrodite-live-2011-world-tour-is-coming-to-north-america/ An exchange of tweets between the official twitter account of the tour and my own confirm that those are the correct facts. Here are the twitter accounts: http://twitter.com/KylieLesFolies# http://twitter.com/Chrisjcxa# Chrisjcxa ( talk) 20:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Me: "@KylieLesFolies Could you please clarify the official name of the tour? To my understanding it is 'Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour' universally." "@KylieLesFolies But more specifically Aphrodite-LesFolies2011 forEurope & Aphrodite-Live2011 for the rest of the so far announced tourstops?" Them: "@Chrisjcxa yes, that's pretty well said" So it is pretty clear that the name is Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour (I don't know if it is correct to detract the "Kylie:" part). And the european leg is Aphrodite Les Folies Tour 2011 (with 2011 omitted quite often) and the rest dates are part of Aphrodite Live 2011. The difference is indeed that the splash zone is only available in the Les Folies shows. This was confirmed by the twitter account on January 19 in a discussion between them and this account: http://twitter.com/#!/RedDandy Chrisjcxa ( talk) 21:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Twitter can't be used as a source on Wikipedia, but with all the other sources, I think it's safe to call it the Aphrodite World Tour, and specify of the different names for different legs. ℥ nding· start 18:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Aphrodite World Tour. Consensus was in favor of the move. Alpha Quadrant talk 21:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Les Folies Tour →
Aphrodite World Tour — Please read the discussion above before supporting or not supporting the move. But to sum it up, the official Facebook page lists it as the Aphrodite World Tour
see here, while still using the different names for each leg. It seems to me that it is simply being advertised as different names on each leg. â„¥
nding·
start
18:54, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Oh, I had already got all that, but I guess I confused you. The only thing I hadn't concidered was the venue change which is a very strong point. I still think that Les Folies Tour should in no case be the name used by wikipedia. I agree with Aphrodite Les Folies Tour. But not just Les Folies Tour, because that is just a short name of Aphrodite Les Folies Tour. The fact that it has been refered to as such makes sense since it is a short name, but the tour will never go just by Les Folies Tour. So in the case that the shows are practically the same in all leg and we decide to keep the name Les Folies, then the title of the article should be Aphrodite Les Folies Tour. And in the case there are more changes and we decide to rename it, it will turn to Aphrodite World Tour. In any of these cases, it will not be named Les Folies Tour, even if it has been refered to as such in short. So why keep this name? This is the point I was trying to make. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 12:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC) Let me point out that you have said it has been refered to with all these names (not just Les Folies Tour), so why do we keep the most innaccurate one as the title of the article? It would make sense to keep it if it was the only one used. It makes sense to use one of the other names since they have been used as well and they happen to be the actual names of the tour. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 13:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
See the problem with this is that we don't know if there will be a need for seperate pages. The shows might be 95% the same. This is a point Itsbydesign was trying to make. But beyond that, I think that we all agree that there is no valid reason to keep the name of the article as Les Folies Tour, when it is in fact the Aphrodite World Tour and not the Les Folies Tour, and when the name Aphrodite World Tour is by far the one that is much easier recognisable universally as the current tour's name. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 10:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC) So name it that and mention the various names/create seperate sections if necessary/helpful inside the article. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 10:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
State whether you support or don't support the move. No more big discussion please. It needs to be clear. ℥ nding· start 17:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
I support the move. The current name is not proper. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 18:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Oppose. The tour has been called Les Folies Tour by Kylie, her company, and other publications. It is the official tour name. --
ĈÞЯİŒ
1ооо 23:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC) I still oppose, but feel it should be moved to Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour. --
ĈÞЯİŒ
1ооо
04:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I vote for Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour. I think that it's the real name of the tour. --
AmyMirka (
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04:14, 29 January 2011 (UTC) (I changed my mind)
Support. - the same reason as user JWAD's. -- AmyMirka ( talk) 04:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Support. They are a group of tours who will be similar in nature and some of them are not addressed as Les Folies at all. I Help, When I Can. [12] 04:33, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Comment Option 2 as stated by I Help When I Can is them most relevant and useful. — Legolas (talk2me) 09:54, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
To sum things up to this point, we have 2 (two) white votes (commented on things relevant or irrelevant to the vote but didn't really vote).
6 (six) people support that the article has to be renamed and moved. 0 (zero) people disagree with it.
From the said 6 people 5 (five) support move to Aphrodite world tour and 1 (one) supports move to Aphrodite les folies tour.
Correct me if I missed anything. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 16:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
The names of the legs as established above are Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour and Aphrodite Live 2011. Please, don't keep changing the latter to Aphrodite Live, because it is wrong, as established, and as proven by the sources provided, where you will only see it named as suggested. The only thing bothering me is that the UK tour is currently being promoted as Aphrodite: Les Folies UK tour, and I cannot tell if they use it as an official name or just to clarify that they are talking about UK. I don't see any other question being raised about names that hasn't been covered above. Thank you. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 10:09, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
The setlists for Europe and North Ameruca are the same, shouldn't we just list one under the Eurpoe and North America heading? If sufficient changes are done throughout the rest of the dates then we should duplicate the setlist, if just one or two songs as omitted we should simply mention it on the actual setlist. The Japan setlist did suffer several changes so it is correct to list it as a separate setlist. afr.mx 08:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Can't Get You Out Of My Head contains elements from Muse's song "Uprising", doesn't it? I'm sure the guitar riff near the ending of CGYOOMH is from Uprising. 187.37.179.90 ( talk) 08:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Afrmx ( talk • contribs)
Although it seems to have caused some controversy and edit warring, it is time to put the matter of the mash-up in the tour setlist at rest. The mash-up is officially titled "Love At First Sight/Can't Beat The Feeling", as can be seen in the official tour programme and on the official tour DVD; evidence can be seen here http://kylieminogueaphrodite.yolasite.com/lafscbtf.php However, some argue, that no sources would indicate this and therefore deem it incorrect. However, as the programme and DVD do not list the mash-up as "Love At First Sight", containing elements of CBTF, I believe it should not be cited in this manner. The official title, "Love At First Sight/Can't Beat The Feeling", should be used. Besides, the song also contains a large amount of Can't Beat The Feeling. Therefore I am changing it and whoever disagrees can say so below. In My Arms ( talk) 03:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
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Although information about this tour is a bit premature, I am going to go ahead and create the article and add information as possible. Please, let's not turn this into chaos, please discuss any significant article changes here or place rationale for any edits here as well. Itsbydesign ( talk) 00:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Recently, Jwad moved the article to Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour. Although this the "official" name of the tour, the tour is being acknowledge by different names in different regions. In Japan, it is called Aphrodite Tour and in North America, it's known as Aphrodite Live. In my belief, it is better to acknowledge the tour by a universal name since the ALFT is not how the tour is advertised in all regions. If the tour was known by one name, I would have no problem agreeing with the move. Additionally, I don't understand someone placing a "year" in the tour title, especially if the tour caries on for multiple years. So to sum up m y point, I feel that for encyclopedic purposes, the article should be a common universal name mentioned the different names in each region. Itsbydesign ( talk) 00:32, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Their account is: http://twitter.com/#!/KylieLesFolies and my account is: http://twitter.com/#!/Chrisjcxa . And the dialogue was: Me: @KylieLesFolies Could you please clarify the official name of the tour? To my understanding it is 'Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour' universally. @KylieLesFolies But more specifically Aphrodite-LesFolies2011 forEurope & Aphrodite-Live2011 for the rest of the so far announced tourstops? Them: @Chrisjcxa yes, that's pretty well said Also it is pretty clear at the facebook page of the tour what the general name is: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kylie-Aphrodite-World-Tour/137465679622201?v=wall And at the bottom of this page, you can see the name of each leg, where the dates for the tour are: http://www.kylie.com/tour/#tourscrollto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.212.70.133 ( talk) 22:52, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Hope this helps. And I also hope I didn't mess up with anything... Chrisjcxa ( talk) 20:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
On the official facebook page of the tour it is titled Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour. Here's the page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kylie-Aphrodite-World-Tour/137465679622201?v=wall Now, on the official site Kylie.com you see that the European leg is called Aphrodite Les Folies Tour (2011) and the rest of the dates/legs (all of whom most probably feature the scaled-down version) are called Aphrodite Live 2011. The two 'legs' also feature totally different banner/promotional poster, but I cannot find the source right now. Here are the links: http://www.kylie.com/tour/#tourscrollto http://www.kylie.com/news/kylie-adds-more-uk-dates-to-aphrodite-les-folies-tour-2011/ http://www.kylie.com/news/the-aphrodite-live-2011-world-tour-is-coming-to-north-america/ An exchange of tweets between the official twitter account of the tour and my own confirm that those are the correct facts. Here are the twitter accounts: http://twitter.com/KylieLesFolies# http://twitter.com/Chrisjcxa# Chrisjcxa ( talk) 20:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Me: "@KylieLesFolies Could you please clarify the official name of the tour? To my understanding it is 'Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour' universally." "@KylieLesFolies But more specifically Aphrodite-LesFolies2011 forEurope & Aphrodite-Live2011 for the rest of the so far announced tourstops?" Them: "@Chrisjcxa yes, that's pretty well said" So it is pretty clear that the name is Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour (I don't know if it is correct to detract the "Kylie:" part). And the european leg is Aphrodite Les Folies Tour 2011 (with 2011 omitted quite often) and the rest dates are part of Aphrodite Live 2011. The difference is indeed that the splash zone is only available in the Les Folies shows. This was confirmed by the twitter account on January 19 in a discussion between them and this account: http://twitter.com/#!/RedDandy Chrisjcxa ( talk) 21:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Twitter can't be used as a source on Wikipedia, but with all the other sources, I think it's safe to call it the Aphrodite World Tour, and specify of the different names for different legs. ℥ nding· start 18:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Aphrodite World Tour. Consensus was in favor of the move. Alpha Quadrant talk 21:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Les Folies Tour →
Aphrodite World Tour — Please read the discussion above before supporting or not supporting the move. But to sum it up, the official Facebook page lists it as the Aphrodite World Tour
see here, while still using the different names for each leg. It seems to me that it is simply being advertised as different names on each leg. â„¥
nding·
start
18:54, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Oh, I had already got all that, but I guess I confused you. The only thing I hadn't concidered was the venue change which is a very strong point. I still think that Les Folies Tour should in no case be the name used by wikipedia. I agree with Aphrodite Les Folies Tour. But not just Les Folies Tour, because that is just a short name of Aphrodite Les Folies Tour. The fact that it has been refered to as such makes sense since it is a short name, but the tour will never go just by Les Folies Tour. So in the case that the shows are practically the same in all leg and we decide to keep the name Les Folies, then the title of the article should be Aphrodite Les Folies Tour. And in the case there are more changes and we decide to rename it, it will turn to Aphrodite World Tour. In any of these cases, it will not be named Les Folies Tour, even if it has been refered to as such in short. So why keep this name? This is the point I was trying to make. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 12:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC) Let me point out that you have said it has been refered to with all these names (not just Les Folies Tour), so why do we keep the most innaccurate one as the title of the article? It would make sense to keep it if it was the only one used. It makes sense to use one of the other names since they have been used as well and they happen to be the actual names of the tour. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 13:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
See the problem with this is that we don't know if there will be a need for seperate pages. The shows might be 95% the same. This is a point Itsbydesign was trying to make. But beyond that, I think that we all agree that there is no valid reason to keep the name of the article as Les Folies Tour, when it is in fact the Aphrodite World Tour and not the Les Folies Tour, and when the name Aphrodite World Tour is by far the one that is much easier recognisable universally as the current tour's name. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 10:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC) So name it that and mention the various names/create seperate sections if necessary/helpful inside the article. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 10:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
State whether you support or don't support the move. No more big discussion please. It needs to be clear. ℥ nding· start 17:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
I support the move. The current name is not proper. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 18:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Oppose. The tour has been called Les Folies Tour by Kylie, her company, and other publications. It is the official tour name. --
ĈÞЯİŒ
1ооо 23:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC) I still oppose, but feel it should be moved to Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour. --
ĈÞЯİŒ
1ооо
04:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I vote for Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour. I think that it's the real name of the tour. --
AmyMirka (
talk)
04:14, 29 January 2011 (UTC) (I changed my mind)
Support. - the same reason as user JWAD's. -- AmyMirka ( talk) 04:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Support. They are a group of tours who will be similar in nature and some of them are not addressed as Les Folies at all. I Help, When I Can. [12] 04:33, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Comment Option 2 as stated by I Help When I Can is them most relevant and useful. — Legolas (talk2me) 09:54, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
To sum things up to this point, we have 2 (two) white votes (commented on things relevant or irrelevant to the vote but didn't really vote).
6 (six) people support that the article has to be renamed and moved. 0 (zero) people disagree with it.
From the said 6 people 5 (five) support move to Aphrodite world tour and 1 (one) supports move to Aphrodite les folies tour.
Correct me if I missed anything. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 16:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
The names of the legs as established above are Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour and Aphrodite Live 2011. Please, don't keep changing the latter to Aphrodite Live, because it is wrong, as established, and as proven by the sources provided, where you will only see it named as suggested. The only thing bothering me is that the UK tour is currently being promoted as Aphrodite: Les Folies UK tour, and I cannot tell if they use it as an official name or just to clarify that they are talking about UK. I don't see any other question being raised about names that hasn't been covered above. Thank you. Chrisjcxa ( talk) 10:09, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
The setlists for Europe and North Ameruca are the same, shouldn't we just list one under the Eurpoe and North America heading? If sufficient changes are done throughout the rest of the dates then we should duplicate the setlist, if just one or two songs as omitted we should simply mention it on the actual setlist. The Japan setlist did suffer several changes so it is correct to list it as a separate setlist. afr.mx 08:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Can't Get You Out Of My Head contains elements from Muse's song "Uprising", doesn't it? I'm sure the guitar riff near the ending of CGYOOMH is from Uprising. 187.37.179.90 ( talk) 08:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Afrmx ( talk • contribs)
Although it seems to have caused some controversy and edit warring, it is time to put the matter of the mash-up in the tour setlist at rest. The mash-up is officially titled "Love At First Sight/Can't Beat The Feeling", as can be seen in the official tour programme and on the official tour DVD; evidence can be seen here http://kylieminogueaphrodite.yolasite.com/lafscbtf.php However, some argue, that no sources would indicate this and therefore deem it incorrect. However, as the programme and DVD do not list the mash-up as "Love At First Sight", containing elements of CBTF, I believe it should not be cited in this manner. The official title, "Love At First Sight/Can't Beat The Feeling", should be used. Besides, the song also contains a large amount of Can't Beat The Feeling. Therefore I am changing it and whoever disagrees can say so below. In My Arms ( talk) 03:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
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