![]() | This article was nominated for merging with Crime in Victoria on 26-01-2019. The result of the discussion ( permanent link) was merge. |
![]() | The contents of the Apex (gang) page were merged into Crime in Victoria on 9 February 2019 and it now redirects there. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
I suggest changing the name of the article to "Sudanese Crime in Victoria", and there be a redirect from Apex to the new page. The reason is twofold, first based on the statements of the police, the gang may not really exist and second the topic has become so much broader than the story of the Apex gang, and has entered into the political debate. ( Smellytap ( talk) 16:26, 17 January 2018 (UTC))
@ Bacondrum: The reason for my edit was to explain the origin of the name, and if the fact is that the "gang" started with offending by a few South Sudanese youth living in Apex Street, then this should be stated. I couldn't see anything in other articles disputing this. The rest of the article shows that by the time it became known to police, it had spread way beyond its origins and included over 100 kids of differing origins. Mention of South Sudanese at an early point also does help to explain a thread of logic (albeit distorted by certain parties) as to how and why the whole issue became politicised. The origin of the name does demand explanation for a Wiki article, IMO (and as previously discussed, more work is needed on this article as a whole). As an alternative, it could be written into the history section, but that first para. would need a bit of rewriting. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 01:54, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't believe meets this article really meets WP:N in the first place, and could do with trimming of a lot of unnecessary detail, before merging into Crime in Melbourne. The disputed entity called Apex, if it existed, is now defunct, and most of what the newspapers reported was driven by certain parties politicising the issue of crimes committed by youths of African (mainly Sudanese) origin for various purposes. I do think that this merits mention and some explanation in the main Melbourne article, but the Apex article has wandered off topic into this more general area which is more appropriately dealt with in the main article. Neither article should be listing specific instances of crime or disturbances in as much detail as this one does. See also WP:RECENTISM and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 07:13, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
![]() | This article was nominated for merging with Crime in Victoria on 26-01-2019. The result of the discussion ( permanent link) was merge. |
![]() | The contents of the Apex (gang) page were merged into Crime in Victoria on 9 February 2019 and it now redirects there. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
I suggest changing the name of the article to "Sudanese Crime in Victoria", and there be a redirect from Apex to the new page. The reason is twofold, first based on the statements of the police, the gang may not really exist and second the topic has become so much broader than the story of the Apex gang, and has entered into the political debate. ( Smellytap ( talk) 16:26, 17 January 2018 (UTC))
@ Bacondrum: The reason for my edit was to explain the origin of the name, and if the fact is that the "gang" started with offending by a few South Sudanese youth living in Apex Street, then this should be stated. I couldn't see anything in other articles disputing this. The rest of the article shows that by the time it became known to police, it had spread way beyond its origins and included over 100 kids of differing origins. Mention of South Sudanese at an early point also does help to explain a thread of logic (albeit distorted by certain parties) as to how and why the whole issue became politicised. The origin of the name does demand explanation for a Wiki article, IMO (and as previously discussed, more work is needed on this article as a whole). As an alternative, it could be written into the history section, but that first para. would need a bit of rewriting. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 01:54, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't believe meets this article really meets WP:N in the first place, and could do with trimming of a lot of unnecessary detail, before merging into Crime in Melbourne. The disputed entity called Apex, if it existed, is now defunct, and most of what the newspapers reported was driven by certain parties politicising the issue of crimes committed by youths of African (mainly Sudanese) origin for various purposes. I do think that this merits mention and some explanation in the main Melbourne article, but the Apex article has wandered off topic into this more general area which is more appropriately dealt with in the main article. Neither article should be listing specific instances of crime or disturbances in as much detail as this one does. See also WP:RECENTISM and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 07:13, 26 January 2019 (UTC)