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If anyone knows which deities are in the pictures with Apep, that could help improve the captions. I just assume the man in the first photo is a branch off another religion.
There needs to be a disambigous page because the asteroid that will graze planet Earth in 2029 is named Apophis. More info at asteroid deflection strategies and in this article. User:AlMac| (talk) 06:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why Apep can't be listed as both a legendary creature and a demon? There's not a universal agreement on how to qualify creatures as "demons", but being the embodiment of evil, it would seem reasonable to classify Apep as one.-- 24.255.171.220 ( talk) 16:50, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
The second picture states: "An Egyptian deity (Set) slays the snake-like Apep". What proof is there that the "deity" is Set? The Set animal is an unknown creature, yet the picture features what looks like a feline. What do others think? Lordmick 15:47, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Quite right - the picture is from the Book of the Dead Ch. 17 and depicts Ra as a cat overcoming Apep as a snake. I have changed the caption Apepch7 ( talk) 00:07, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
In consulting primary sources about Egyptian mythology I have never encountered the whimsical stories about how Apep's battles are described with Ra. In whatever I have seen or read Ra slays the snake in either his form as a cat or as Montu. Specific citations need to be included to justify this material, as in page numbers and direct quotations.
I removed these passages from the article because they weren't supported by the source at the end of the paragraph they were in. Some of them are certainly or probably true, but not all:
Also, comparable hostile snakes as enemies of the sun god existed under other names (in the Pyramid Texts and Coffin Texts) already before the name Apep occurred. The etymology of his name (ꜥꜣpp) is perhaps to be sought in some west-semitic language where a word root ꜣpp meaning 'to slither' existed. A verb root ꜥꜣpp does at any rate not exist elsewhere in Ancient Egyptian. (It is not to be confused with the verb ꜥpı͗/ꜥpp: 'to fly across the sky, to travel') Apep's name much later came to be falsely connected etymologically in Egyptian with a different root meaning (he who was) spat out; the Romans referred to Apep by this translation of his name. Apophis was a large golden snake known to be miles long.
An IP editor changed "West Semitic" to "South Semitic" shortly before I removed this text, which I consider a particularly dubious claim. The Egyptians were in contact with West Semitic peoples throughout their history, and passages in West Semitic appear even in the Pyramid Texts. Any contact with speakers of South Semitic languages would have been more remote and infrequent. A. Parrot ( talk) 23:56, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Was Apep's main symbol just a snake, or in some cases, specifically a cobra? An unregistered user has changed this information in the infobox, but their edit has been reverted. Neither revision cites any sources. I have, for now, annotated Apep's symbol description with the "Citation needed" template. If somebody has reliable sources to back up either claim, please clarify this part of the article's infobox. TucanHolmes ( talk) 23:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
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The form of the cat of Ra has spotting and large ears, which to me resembles the serval. Now, servals aren't native to Egypt, but perhaps they were back when Northern Africa was more humid, so might there be a possibility that this "great cat" is a serval? Anthropophoca ( talk) 02:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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If anyone knows which deities are in the pictures with Apep, that could help improve the captions. I just assume the man in the first photo is a branch off another religion.
There needs to be a disambigous page because the asteroid that will graze planet Earth in 2029 is named Apophis. More info at asteroid deflection strategies and in this article. User:AlMac| (talk) 06:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why Apep can't be listed as both a legendary creature and a demon? There's not a universal agreement on how to qualify creatures as "demons", but being the embodiment of evil, it would seem reasonable to classify Apep as one.-- 24.255.171.220 ( talk) 16:50, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
The second picture states: "An Egyptian deity (Set) slays the snake-like Apep". What proof is there that the "deity" is Set? The Set animal is an unknown creature, yet the picture features what looks like a feline. What do others think? Lordmick 15:47, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Quite right - the picture is from the Book of the Dead Ch. 17 and depicts Ra as a cat overcoming Apep as a snake. I have changed the caption Apepch7 ( talk) 00:07, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
In consulting primary sources about Egyptian mythology I have never encountered the whimsical stories about how Apep's battles are described with Ra. In whatever I have seen or read Ra slays the snake in either his form as a cat or as Montu. Specific citations need to be included to justify this material, as in page numbers and direct quotations.
I removed these passages from the article because they weren't supported by the source at the end of the paragraph they were in. Some of them are certainly or probably true, but not all:
Also, comparable hostile snakes as enemies of the sun god existed under other names (in the Pyramid Texts and Coffin Texts) already before the name Apep occurred. The etymology of his name (ꜥꜣpp) is perhaps to be sought in some west-semitic language where a word root ꜣpp meaning 'to slither' existed. A verb root ꜥꜣpp does at any rate not exist elsewhere in Ancient Egyptian. (It is not to be confused with the verb ꜥpı͗/ꜥpp: 'to fly across the sky, to travel') Apep's name much later came to be falsely connected etymologically in Egyptian with a different root meaning (he who was) spat out; the Romans referred to Apep by this translation of his name. Apophis was a large golden snake known to be miles long.
An IP editor changed "West Semitic" to "South Semitic" shortly before I removed this text, which I consider a particularly dubious claim. The Egyptians were in contact with West Semitic peoples throughout their history, and passages in West Semitic appear even in the Pyramid Texts. Any contact with speakers of South Semitic languages would have been more remote and infrequent. A. Parrot ( talk) 23:56, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Was Apep's main symbol just a snake, or in some cases, specifically a cobra? An unregistered user has changed this information in the infobox, but their edit has been reverted. Neither revision cites any sources. I have, for now, annotated Apep's symbol description with the "Citation needed" template. If somebody has reliable sources to back up either claim, please clarify this part of the article's infobox. TucanHolmes ( talk) 23:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
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The form of the cat of Ra has spotting and large ears, which to me resembles the serval. Now, servals aren't native to Egypt, but perhaps they were back when Northern Africa was more humid, so might there be a possibility that this "great cat" is a serval? Anthropophoca ( talk) 02:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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