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There is a long and contentious history of this topic. There have two AFDs with different results. Review of this draft must take that history into account, and the history must be preserved. Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:06, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion, although the true Vietnamese name of the subject is apparently not known, and although she does not satisfy military notability, enough has been written about her by reliable sources as listed in this draft that she satisfies general notability. There is more than a 50% chance that this will survive a third AFD. Robert McClenon ( talk) 23:53, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Text seems very similar to this 5 year old reddit post. As in too similar. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 21:07, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because... (this was also from Military Wiki; Reddit probably copied that from the military wiki, so Reddit should be accused for copyright violation) -- 72.229.7.184 ( talk) 11:23, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
After some digging I found this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Apache (Viet Cong soldier) (2nd nomination).
Likely the Reddit reused wiki or mirror thereof. But also that means this article is due for deletion if nothing has changed since the deletion discussion. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 12:08, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
The date, 1/1/1936, seems to approximate. There were probably few birth certificates in Vietnam at that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c4:4e9f:d101:7016:4912:bb40:6241 ( talk) 15:13, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Is there a non-Hathcock based source on this woman? Photos of her, military records, birth certificate, CPV membership? I would love to be proved wrong, but this seems to me like another "Erwin Koenig" story. Andro611 ( talk) 22:44, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
this looks like a US soldier (or US soldiers) attempting to justify their killings of female Vietnamese soldiers and civilians..." - Wow. I would strongly encourage you to strike that and apologize. There are many Vietnam vets, their families and such, as well as other vets, that all use WP and could read this page and that take as a slap to the face. We're long past spitting on Vietnam vets at airports, we shouldn't be doing it here either. - wolf 18:26, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
"Not censored etc.
" - applies to article content. This is a talk page where some decency and decorum are excpected. Your comments were both provocational and needlessly offensive, hence the suggestion you strike them and apologize. You refuse to do that, so... that's on you. I think we're done here. -
wolf
03:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Per a recent discussion at the RS noticeboard, I have removed several sources written by non-historians in the style of dramatised military memoirs. I have also removed the use of the History Channel as a source of information, as HC is not reliable for historical facts. I have also put Hathcock´s very fishy narrative in as much context as possible, as the best sources on this consider the narrative of Apache to be false. Boynamedsue ( talk) 07:13, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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This article was nominated for
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There is a long and contentious history of this topic. There have two AFDs with different results. Review of this draft must take that history into account, and the history must be preserved. Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:06, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion, although the true Vietnamese name of the subject is apparently not known, and although she does not satisfy military notability, enough has been written about her by reliable sources as listed in this draft that she satisfies general notability. There is more than a 50% chance that this will survive a third AFD. Robert McClenon ( talk) 23:53, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Text seems very similar to this 5 year old reddit post. As in too similar. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 21:07, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because... (this was also from Military Wiki; Reddit probably copied that from the military wiki, so Reddit should be accused for copyright violation) -- 72.229.7.184 ( talk) 11:23, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
After some digging I found this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Apache (Viet Cong soldier) (2nd nomination).
Likely the Reddit reused wiki or mirror thereof. But also that means this article is due for deletion if nothing has changed since the deletion discussion. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 12:08, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
The date, 1/1/1936, seems to approximate. There were probably few birth certificates in Vietnam at that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c4:4e9f:d101:7016:4912:bb40:6241 ( talk) 15:13, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Is there a non-Hathcock based source on this woman? Photos of her, military records, birth certificate, CPV membership? I would love to be proved wrong, but this seems to me like another "Erwin Koenig" story. Andro611 ( talk) 22:44, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
this looks like a US soldier (or US soldiers) attempting to justify their killings of female Vietnamese soldiers and civilians..." - Wow. I would strongly encourage you to strike that and apologize. There are many Vietnam vets, their families and such, as well as other vets, that all use WP and could read this page and that take as a slap to the face. We're long past spitting on Vietnam vets at airports, we shouldn't be doing it here either. - wolf 18:26, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
"Not censored etc.
" - applies to article content. This is a talk page where some decency and decorum are excpected. Your comments were both provocational and needlessly offensive, hence the suggestion you strike them and apologize. You refuse to do that, so... that's on you. I think we're done here. -
wolf
03:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Per a recent discussion at the RS noticeboard, I have removed several sources written by non-historians in the style of dramatised military memoirs. I have also removed the use of the History Channel as a source of information, as HC is not reliable for historical facts. I have also put Hathcock´s very fishy narrative in as much context as possible, as the best sources on this consider the narrative of Apache to be false. Boynamedsue ( talk) 07:13, 13 June 2022 (UTC)