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I have reverted to an older version of the article. Does this help with the POV? -- Apyule 08:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
This article may well have survived VfD, but can it survive editing and become the stub of all stubs? The first sentence is untrue. The second sentence is untrue, and so on. Just about every sentence in this windup contains untrue POV nonsense. Moriori 01:43, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
This is currently tagged as disputed, POV and in need of cleanup. It has been totally transformed since these were added, and I think that they should be removed. Any objections? -- Apyule 04:18, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
I just removed a partly missing sentace from the NZ section. It didn't make sense, but now there is a coninuity gap. -- Apyule 05:52, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
This phrase is used a couple of times. Perhaps some elaboration of what it refers to would help make the article more accessible to a wider audience. I considered linking to Edwardian period but it doesn't really help. I wouldn't feel qualified to elaborate myself on which aspects of Edwardian society are relevant here so I'll leave it up to someone else to volunteer. -- Russell E 23:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I find this article quite... hopeless. It seems less about about the 'ANZAC spirit' and more about the role of leftist and 'revolutionary' party groups battling the state governments for the grace of returned soldiers. And then the article finishes off with quite a zinger: "since the 'War on Terror' began."
It needs help. I'm going to rip a lot out now. michael talk 13:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
The lead describes it as a "mythology". I think that is a pejorative statement. I fully sympathise that the notion of the ANZAC spirit might be seen as having been overplayed, particularly when it is suggested that Australians have mateship and there is a suggestion that other nations don't. But the term mythology used here seems simplistic dismissal and we need to be smarter. Although there are rferences cited at the end of the article, it is not clear what statements are supported by these references and what of the articel is unsupported. As the references are not easily accessible, I can't check easily and as far as I am concerned the article needs in-line citations to avoid reading as original research.-- Golden Wattle talk 20:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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this article should in fact be completely removed because the subject you are discussing is based 100% on a person pov. the "anzac spririt" can no longer be difined because of the bastardization of the term by the media. It is now standign along side "unaustralian" as the most abused phrase in australia. its meaning is totally lost because it is now used to describe everything it shouldnt.
most of this article is actually rather offensive to me. it fails dismally in coming close to describing anything of any real value that the phrase should have sttributed to it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.26.190.4 ( talk) 01:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Are they not two seperate things? A spirit normally woiuld refer to something ethereal.... but, when talking about it in the same context as which the anzac spirit is discussed, a comparison would be to how a game of football was played in the spirit of good sportsmanship and the like. The spirit of something is intangible. A legend, on the other hand, is a tale. It can be based in truth or fantasy, but a legend has tangible properties. The anzac spirit is different to the anzac legend. The legend is of the diggers being dumped on a beach miles from where they were meant to be, being used and abused by british officers, overcoming terrible odds, surviving and claiming victory from a defeat. The spirit is not about the facts, real or false, its about an attitude... to quote the movie The Castle... its about "the vibe". I think splitting this into two seperate areas, one for the legend and various interpretations of it, including myth side of the argument. The other part dedicated to the spirit and the itnerpretations and discussions on what it means. (just have to try and weed out the medias perversion of the saying to make it mean whatever they want it to mean) Theloneoutsider ( talk) 03:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
i removed the URI that formerly linked to the site of the Australian Government Culture and Recreation Portal, but now links to a commercial site. i could not find the original site, so the criticism section needs a few refs. -- MarioS ( talk) 07:48, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Seriously, where are the NZ bits? Aaadddaaammm ( talk) 06:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Two years later and still almost no NZ content in this article. Surely someone has researched the NZ experience of ANZAC Spirit? Jayarava ( talk) 11:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Strictly speaking, the Anzac tradition is rooted in the belief that peace is just an interval between wars. When I can find some verfiable references that meet what wikipedia requires, does anyone have any objection if we put this in a heading which reads the same? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.164.18.43 ( talk) 03:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Peace as an interval between war is the Edwardian militarist view of it. There's nothing more Edwardian than Anzac Day. It is referenced in this book: http://www.crikey.com.au/topic/what%E2%80%99s-wrong-with-anzac-the-militarisation-of-australian-history/
Henry Renolds was critical of Anzac Day from this point of view. But I think it's a good enough source. Apparently the founders of Anzac Day wanted to remind Australians annually there will always come a time when the nation has to be prepared for so many to die.
The introduction presents "the ANZAC spirit" and "the ANZAC legend" as the same thing when they are not. The ANZAC legend refers to the stories and events that present the good qualities of Australian and New Zealand soldiers, e.g. Simpson and his Donkey, the Gallipoli Landing. The ANZAC spirit however, refers to what is shown through the ANZAC legends, i.e. what is described in the introduction. -- Ababcdc1 ( talk) 08:06, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
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I have reverted to an older version of the article. Does this help with the POV? -- Apyule 08:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
This article may well have survived VfD, but can it survive editing and become the stub of all stubs? The first sentence is untrue. The second sentence is untrue, and so on. Just about every sentence in this windup contains untrue POV nonsense. Moriori 01:43, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
This is currently tagged as disputed, POV and in need of cleanup. It has been totally transformed since these were added, and I think that they should be removed. Any objections? -- Apyule 04:18, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
I just removed a partly missing sentace from the NZ section. It didn't make sense, but now there is a coninuity gap. -- Apyule 05:52, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
This phrase is used a couple of times. Perhaps some elaboration of what it refers to would help make the article more accessible to a wider audience. I considered linking to Edwardian period but it doesn't really help. I wouldn't feel qualified to elaborate myself on which aspects of Edwardian society are relevant here so I'll leave it up to someone else to volunteer. -- Russell E 23:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I find this article quite... hopeless. It seems less about about the 'ANZAC spirit' and more about the role of leftist and 'revolutionary' party groups battling the state governments for the grace of returned soldiers. And then the article finishes off with quite a zinger: "since the 'War on Terror' began."
It needs help. I'm going to rip a lot out now. michael talk 13:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
The lead describes it as a "mythology". I think that is a pejorative statement. I fully sympathise that the notion of the ANZAC spirit might be seen as having been overplayed, particularly when it is suggested that Australians have mateship and there is a suggestion that other nations don't. But the term mythology used here seems simplistic dismissal and we need to be smarter. Although there are rferences cited at the end of the article, it is not clear what statements are supported by these references and what of the articel is unsupported. As the references are not easily accessible, I can't check easily and as far as I am concerned the article needs in-line citations to avoid reading as original research.-- Golden Wattle talk 20:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:ANZAC which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RM bot 16:30, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
this article should in fact be completely removed because the subject you are discussing is based 100% on a person pov. the "anzac spririt" can no longer be difined because of the bastardization of the term by the media. It is now standign along side "unaustralian" as the most abused phrase in australia. its meaning is totally lost because it is now used to describe everything it shouldnt.
most of this article is actually rather offensive to me. it fails dismally in coming close to describing anything of any real value that the phrase should have sttributed to it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.26.190.4 ( talk) 01:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Are they not two seperate things? A spirit normally woiuld refer to something ethereal.... but, when talking about it in the same context as which the anzac spirit is discussed, a comparison would be to how a game of football was played in the spirit of good sportsmanship and the like. The spirit of something is intangible. A legend, on the other hand, is a tale. It can be based in truth or fantasy, but a legend has tangible properties. The anzac spirit is different to the anzac legend. The legend is of the diggers being dumped on a beach miles from where they were meant to be, being used and abused by british officers, overcoming terrible odds, surviving and claiming victory from a defeat. The spirit is not about the facts, real or false, its about an attitude... to quote the movie The Castle... its about "the vibe". I think splitting this into two seperate areas, one for the legend and various interpretations of it, including myth side of the argument. The other part dedicated to the spirit and the itnerpretations and discussions on what it means. (just have to try and weed out the medias perversion of the saying to make it mean whatever they want it to mean) Theloneoutsider ( talk) 03:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
i removed the URI that formerly linked to the site of the Australian Government Culture and Recreation Portal, but now links to a commercial site. i could not find the original site, so the criticism section needs a few refs. -- MarioS ( talk) 07:48, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Seriously, where are the NZ bits? Aaadddaaammm ( talk) 06:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Two years later and still almost no NZ content in this article. Surely someone has researched the NZ experience of ANZAC Spirit? Jayarava ( talk) 11:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Strictly speaking, the Anzac tradition is rooted in the belief that peace is just an interval between wars. When I can find some verfiable references that meet what wikipedia requires, does anyone have any objection if we put this in a heading which reads the same? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.164.18.43 ( talk) 03:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Peace as an interval between war is the Edwardian militarist view of it. There's nothing more Edwardian than Anzac Day. It is referenced in this book: http://www.crikey.com.au/topic/what%E2%80%99s-wrong-with-anzac-the-militarisation-of-australian-history/
Henry Renolds was critical of Anzac Day from this point of view. But I think it's a good enough source. Apparently the founders of Anzac Day wanted to remind Australians annually there will always come a time when the nation has to be prepared for so many to die.
The introduction presents "the ANZAC spirit" and "the ANZAC legend" as the same thing when they are not. The ANZAC legend refers to the stories and events that present the good qualities of Australian and New Zealand soldiers, e.g. Simpson and his Donkey, the Gallipoli Landing. The ANZAC spirit however, refers to what is shown through the ANZAC legends, i.e. what is described in the introduction. -- Ababcdc1 ( talk) 08:06, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
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