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While I think there is a common consensus amongst most editors to keep this information, and that removing it would be considered whitewashing, I think a clear consensus should be defined to stop all the edit warring that is happening on this page. In my opinion, I think it is pretty important to mention the sexual assault allegations since they have affected his career (ie. Indian Idol) and not mentioning so would violate our WP:NPOV policy. I think they are given due weight in the article (maybe header could be changed) and it does not overpower the positive aspects of his career. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 04:20, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
What was the need to remove the sourced content stating Sameer Anjaan and Sonu Nigam have supported Anu Malik. Wasn't it an important fact? If unproved allegations don't violate any Wikipedia's policy, isn't it important to mention that Anu Malik was supported by some popular celebrities, who have been evidence of the act? The pair of Ravensfire and Bonadea is ready to listen to no one! nkupad talk
Ravensfire, my suggestion is to also to mention the support of Sameer and Sonu Nigam to Anu Malik, in order to neutralize the article. That's all! Nkupad talk
I think nkupad is right in this regard. Mentioning of the support of Sameer and Sonu Nigam is important. While, Amaal Malik did not castigate him literally, and only said that he doesn't consider Anu Malik as a part of his family as it was earlier evident that they had a family tussle going on much before the outbreak of this controversy. Sonu Nigam has said that he has from his own eyes seen the recent regular well-wishing messages coming on Anu Malik's mobile from a women who has alleged Malik. So if a women is sending well-wishing message to a person regularly, and then suddenly comes out in public saying that she was sexually harassed many years ago, wouldn't you call it a case of publicity stunt or personal grudge? So don't you think it is essential to mention this fact? I am disheartened from the fact that some editors are keen on making such an edit which will seem to convict Anu Malik for the allegation, without providing the aspect of other side of the coin. We are not here to convict someone, but to only present a balanced point of view. Everyone's edit has essence. Moreover it is also needed to mention that two allegations were anonymous and these allegations were made under Mee Too Movement, in order to consolidate the information ethicaleditor1234 talk
As Ethicaleditor1234 is pointing, mentioning of Sonu Nigam's support is essential because he has said that he has from his eyes seen the decent SMS coming on Anu Malik's mobile from one of the women who alleged him for misbehavior. Sonu Nigam is a big fame and his statement is not gossipy because he is acting like an evidence in this case. Nkupad talk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ethicaleditor1234 ( talk • contribs) 14:54, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Ok, whatever... just forget it! Embarrassment doesn't come with invitation. Just give a thought over whatever i have recommended. Ethicaleditor1234
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Is the mentioning of allegations allowed in BLP? I don't think so. Read WP:NPOV Victor2v98 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
My objection is that there are a lot of allegations mentioned- from plagiarism to sexual allegation. That portion should be reduced to a reasonable limit, otherwise it seem to disturb a balance. Victor2v98 ( talk) 16:42, 4 March 2019 (UTC) Sorry for interference by a new editor. I want to say its sad to see how Anu Malik has been alleged without giving any proof. Is an allegation without any proof is suficient to destroy a legendary career? This can also happen with our father, brothers or son! We need to see that 2 complains have been made anonymously and their identity hasn't been checked yet. While one has been from Shweta Pandit, in which lyricist Sameer said that he was present in the audition. While for the rest one allegation, Sonu Nigam in support of Anu Malik has claimed that he has seen the regular well-wishing messages coming on Malik's mobile from that woman. So what does this indicate? Is media trial ethical here? If there will be any case, let the court decide, we shouldn't act as Judges ourself. Mentioning of allegation in that way is immoral. Abhinamukunda
For Alisha-Anu Malik molestation case in 90s, the matter was dragged to court, where Anu Malik was given clean-chit. Anu Malik, in return slapped Alisha Chinai with 2crore rupee defamation case, after which Alisha Chinai had to apologize to Anu Malik. And after all this, Alisha started once again working with Anu Malik despite of putting such serious allegations. And now she comes with changed color again? Hence, that latest addition clearly can hold the intention of personal grudge by Alisha. Untrusted facts should be eliminated. If you all are keen to defame Anu Malik, then i am here to defend him! Bonadea simply holds unjustified negative opinion on the subject, but i will keep neutralizing him. Abhinamukunda ( talk) 15:50, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
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The controversy section seems to be full of bias against Anu Malik. What is the need of mentioning "Sona Mohapatra criticized commission's decision"? Is this Page based on Sona Mohapatra. I am saddened by the ways the Wikipedia's 'neutrality rules have been violated blatantly by an established editor of Wikipedia, who clearly seem to misuse that power, just to satiate the personal bias, even when the accused has been already exonerated by National Commission of Women, a statutory body in India. Gyaansevak ( talk) 14:59, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Bonadea, in case if you are not able to get it from the articles, there is a full public youtube video of Sonu Nigam (who has told to have seen the regular recent well-wishing messages of one of the accusers). I do understand that #MeToo Movement has been a much needed movement which has taught the bloody molesters to learn to behave! But you need to see that some innocent are also caught in a trap, without submission of any proof. Each and every allegation against Anu Malik has a strong counter to it! Even he has received supoort from some Female Singers as well(whose support I haven't mentioned till yet, because it will over-enlarge controversy section). Gyaansevak ( talk) 13:38, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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Please add the allegations made by Neha Bhasin, Sona Mohapatra, and two other women from Mehboob Studio. Also, while you mentioned the support that he received from Sonu Malik and Sameer, it might be fairer to also include the fight that Sona Mohapatra and her supporters (most recent Abhay Deol) has put up against him for his alleged predatory behavior. Braburningfeminist ( talk) 13:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
With regard to this edit I am at a loss to understand exactly what it is about the phrase "but clarifying that it could be reopened" (where "it" is "the sexual harassment case") that is biased. It would be misleading to the point of dishonesty to imply that the case was closed once and for all, so the information has to be there. The question is what it is in the phrasing that is biased; how do you suggest it be changed without removing the information? On the other hand, "Female singer Hema Sardesai came out in support of Anu Malik, pointing out at the absurdity of the accusers." is biased in two distinct ways: it implies that the gender of the singer is relevant to her opinions and statements, and it flat out asserts that the accusers were absurd ("point out" is used to state something that is considered to be true.)
In addition, the source ( here) does not support the content. It is simply a copy of a long Instagram post made by Sardesai (no discussion or analysis by any independent person, only a brief introductory paragraph and then the primary text), and she doesn't make any comments on the accusations. She says... well, it is hard to understand just what she says, but she seems to be basing her argumentation on the fact that Malik's music is wonderful and singing it has led her to great success. (That is indeed coming out in support of him, but has nothing to do with any criticism against him). She also seems to say that because she has previously said she wouldn't compromise her principles, it follows that Malik must be a good person (though that is really rather unclear). And finally she says that the accusers should have spoken out earlier (see victim blaming), and that other music directors are not good people. What makes this source meet WP:RS for a WP:BLP? -- bonadea contributions talk 11:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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While I think there is a common consensus amongst most editors to keep this information, and that removing it would be considered whitewashing, I think a clear consensus should be defined to stop all the edit warring that is happening on this page. In my opinion, I think it is pretty important to mention the sexual assault allegations since they have affected his career (ie. Indian Idol) and not mentioning so would violate our WP:NPOV policy. I think they are given due weight in the article (maybe header could be changed) and it does not overpower the positive aspects of his career. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 04:20, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
What was the need to remove the sourced content stating Sameer Anjaan and Sonu Nigam have supported Anu Malik. Wasn't it an important fact? If unproved allegations don't violate any Wikipedia's policy, isn't it important to mention that Anu Malik was supported by some popular celebrities, who have been evidence of the act? The pair of Ravensfire and Bonadea is ready to listen to no one! nkupad talk
Ravensfire, my suggestion is to also to mention the support of Sameer and Sonu Nigam to Anu Malik, in order to neutralize the article. That's all! Nkupad talk
I think nkupad is right in this regard. Mentioning of the support of Sameer and Sonu Nigam is important. While, Amaal Malik did not castigate him literally, and only said that he doesn't consider Anu Malik as a part of his family as it was earlier evident that they had a family tussle going on much before the outbreak of this controversy. Sonu Nigam has said that he has from his own eyes seen the recent regular well-wishing messages coming on Anu Malik's mobile from a women who has alleged Malik. So if a women is sending well-wishing message to a person regularly, and then suddenly comes out in public saying that she was sexually harassed many years ago, wouldn't you call it a case of publicity stunt or personal grudge? So don't you think it is essential to mention this fact? I am disheartened from the fact that some editors are keen on making such an edit which will seem to convict Anu Malik for the allegation, without providing the aspect of other side of the coin. We are not here to convict someone, but to only present a balanced point of view. Everyone's edit has essence. Moreover it is also needed to mention that two allegations were anonymous and these allegations were made under Mee Too Movement, in order to consolidate the information ethicaleditor1234 talk
As Ethicaleditor1234 is pointing, mentioning of Sonu Nigam's support is essential because he has said that he has from his eyes seen the decent SMS coming on Anu Malik's mobile from one of the women who alleged him for misbehavior. Sonu Nigam is a big fame and his statement is not gossipy because he is acting like an evidence in this case. Nkupad talk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ethicaleditor1234 ( talk • contribs) 14:54, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Ok, whatever... just forget it! Embarrassment doesn't come with invitation. Just give a thought over whatever i have recommended. Ethicaleditor1234
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Is the mentioning of allegations allowed in BLP? I don't think so. Read WP:NPOV Victor2v98 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
My objection is that there are a lot of allegations mentioned- from plagiarism to sexual allegation. That portion should be reduced to a reasonable limit, otherwise it seem to disturb a balance. Victor2v98 ( talk) 16:42, 4 March 2019 (UTC) Sorry for interference by a new editor. I want to say its sad to see how Anu Malik has been alleged without giving any proof. Is an allegation without any proof is suficient to destroy a legendary career? This can also happen with our father, brothers or son! We need to see that 2 complains have been made anonymously and their identity hasn't been checked yet. While one has been from Shweta Pandit, in which lyricist Sameer said that he was present in the audition. While for the rest one allegation, Sonu Nigam in support of Anu Malik has claimed that he has seen the regular well-wishing messages coming on Malik's mobile from that woman. So what does this indicate? Is media trial ethical here? If there will be any case, let the court decide, we shouldn't act as Judges ourself. Mentioning of allegation in that way is immoral. Abhinamukunda
For Alisha-Anu Malik molestation case in 90s, the matter was dragged to court, where Anu Malik was given clean-chit. Anu Malik, in return slapped Alisha Chinai with 2crore rupee defamation case, after which Alisha Chinai had to apologize to Anu Malik. And after all this, Alisha started once again working with Anu Malik despite of putting such serious allegations. And now she comes with changed color again? Hence, that latest addition clearly can hold the intention of personal grudge by Alisha. Untrusted facts should be eliminated. If you all are keen to defame Anu Malik, then i am here to defend him! Bonadea simply holds unjustified negative opinion on the subject, but i will keep neutralizing him. Abhinamukunda ( talk) 15:50, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
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The controversy section seems to be full of bias against Anu Malik. What is the need of mentioning "Sona Mohapatra criticized commission's decision"? Is this Page based on Sona Mohapatra. I am saddened by the ways the Wikipedia's 'neutrality rules have been violated blatantly by an established editor of Wikipedia, who clearly seem to misuse that power, just to satiate the personal bias, even when the accused has been already exonerated by National Commission of Women, a statutory body in India. Gyaansevak ( talk) 14:59, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Bonadea, in case if you are not able to get it from the articles, there is a full public youtube video of Sonu Nigam (who has told to have seen the regular recent well-wishing messages of one of the accusers). I do understand that #MeToo Movement has been a much needed movement which has taught the bloody molesters to learn to behave! But you need to see that some innocent are also caught in a trap, without submission of any proof. Each and every allegation against Anu Malik has a strong counter to it! Even he has received supoort from some Female Singers as well(whose support I haven't mentioned till yet, because it will over-enlarge controversy section). Gyaansevak ( talk) 13:38, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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Please add the allegations made by Neha Bhasin, Sona Mohapatra, and two other women from Mehboob Studio. Also, while you mentioned the support that he received from Sonu Malik and Sameer, it might be fairer to also include the fight that Sona Mohapatra and her supporters (most recent Abhay Deol) has put up against him for his alleged predatory behavior. Braburningfeminist ( talk) 13:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
With regard to this edit I am at a loss to understand exactly what it is about the phrase "but clarifying that it could be reopened" (where "it" is "the sexual harassment case") that is biased. It would be misleading to the point of dishonesty to imply that the case was closed once and for all, so the information has to be there. The question is what it is in the phrasing that is biased; how do you suggest it be changed without removing the information? On the other hand, "Female singer Hema Sardesai came out in support of Anu Malik, pointing out at the absurdity of the accusers." is biased in two distinct ways: it implies that the gender of the singer is relevant to her opinions and statements, and it flat out asserts that the accusers were absurd ("point out" is used to state something that is considered to be true.)
In addition, the source ( here) does not support the content. It is simply a copy of a long Instagram post made by Sardesai (no discussion or analysis by any independent person, only a brief introductory paragraph and then the primary text), and she doesn't make any comments on the accusations. She says... well, it is hard to understand just what she says, but she seems to be basing her argumentation on the fact that Malik's music is wonderful and singing it has led her to great success. (That is indeed coming out in support of him, but has nothing to do with any criticism against him). She also seems to say that because she has previously said she wouldn't compromise her principles, it follows that Malik must be a good person (though that is really rather unclear). And finally she says that the accusers should have spoken out earlier (see victim blaming), and that other music directors are not good people. What makes this source meet WP:RS for a WP:BLP? -- bonadea contributions talk 11:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC)