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It is hard for me to believe that there is anybody on the face of this planet who has never heard of Tony Bennett and his daughter Antonia Bennett! I think they are the greatest male and female voices ever. Apparently Frank Sinatra agree’s with me too! Let me guess, you have also never heard of Frank Sinatra? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnyajohn ( talk • contribs) 22:44, September 25, 2006 (UTC)
IP address 69.226.94.170 keeps on vandalizing the page and writes very vulgar things. The vandalism includes calling Antonia Bennett "Jenna Jameson" who is a famous porn star. Changing the age of 4, to 16. making vulgar olral refrances, changing "David Award" to "Rodney Allen Rippey". etc. This person should be blocked from Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.108.46.97 ( talk • contribs) 20:01, October 3, 2006 (UTC)
This article badly needs additional sources. I checked out the NY Times article that was cited, but it turned out to actually be an article about some other singer, which included a short mention of Bennett: His special guest, Antonia Bennett, who conjures echoes of Billie Holiday and Rickie Lee Jones (with a hint of Betty Boop), joins him for two numbers, including a playful "Baby, It's Cold Outside," and then that small mention has been repeated in many other locations. I tried searching for other references but couldn't find much aside from routine performance announcements, plus there's another "Antonia Bennett" who seems to be an athlete [1]. I also checked out the "David Award" claim, and the only info I could find was the organization's press release, with no further press coverage. [2] In terms of the Wikipedia article, I'd like to see additional references proving the singer's notability per WP:BIO, otherwise the information about Antonia should probably be merged into her father's article. -- Elonka 07:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Not true, I went to the New York Times website and she is mentioned several times. There is also a photograph of her holding the David award in the New York Times. She is also mentioned in many, many other newspapers and online articles. "Elonka" obviously has some personal vendetta and is obsessed with trying to degrade Antonia Bennett. The press release you mentioned is from a chese company, NOT "Italo-American National Union" the oldest Italian-American fraternal organization in America. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.108.46.97 ( talk • contribs) , 02:10, October 11, 2006 (UTC)
I found four listings in addition to the single sentence cabaret article of Feb 8 2002. The others are subscription only:
If someone with TimesSelect cares to check out whether these are more substantial than they look, great. Septentrionalis 17:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
There is no assertion of a major concert tour, charted hits or anything of the like, so we are left with an assertion of multiple press coverage. Including all sources found be Septentrionalis, none feature Antonia, which is the requirement. We don't need to see the whole article to know that someone not mentioned in the first paragraph is not featured. The "David" award is simply not prestigious enough to qualify her on that basis. This is an article about a not-yet-and-may-never-be. Robert A.West ( Talk) 16:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
According to Frank Sinatra her father is the greatest singing legend of all time, she has been singing for over 20 years, she is all over Google. I saw her perform on the Today show and The Regis & Kelly Show. If you look on google you will see she sings all over the country. Amazon sells the CD she did with Tom Wopat and another website states her new CD is coming out soon. Plus, she is very young to have accomplished all this! I believe the Today show, The Regis & Kelly Show, The White House, New York Times, Tony Bennett, Tom Wopat, etc. are all not crazy for supporting her! It is sad that Ms. Elonka has nothing more to do with her time then to make a career out of misinformation and attacking people. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.163.100.6 ( talk • contribs).
This is, I believe, a classic example of why AfD is problematic. Elonka pointed this out on my talk page a few days ago, but I was in Germany and had no access to Wikipedia for a few days, or else I would have certainly voted to remove. I spoke at length on the phone with the person who originally posted the article, who admitted that he was her manager (then denied it, when I told him that violates our rules) and her close friend (then denies it when I told him that also violates our rules). He admitted he was doing it to get her publicity (then denied it, when I told him that this is against our rules). Having said all that, I will ask the people who voted to keep this exactly what is she famous for? Is she famous for being mentioned in the New York Times, or is it because she is the daughter of X? Or alternately, is she famous in her own right, and not just aspiring to be famous. So, I ask again, what is she famous for? Danny 11:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
This is a clear Speedy Deletion candidate, AfD non-withstanding. There's no assertion of notability. The citations provided are for her father and mention her in passing, and WP:MUSIC is simply not met. I've been part of a band that tours, but that doesn't mean I meet WP:MUSIC. Being the daughter of someone who is guest at the white house is very different than being the guest yourself, so that just doesn't match up. Wikipedia is not a democracy, so I encourage the people who will cite the AfD to review the actual policies in play before citing the Keep vote. I don't imagine this will be a popular action, but I really feel it's the right one. We must be consistent in our application of notability guidelines or we will give an inadvertent advantages to borderline 'celebrities' who have friends or fans who are persuasive or know how to 'game' Wikipedia. I will leave this talk page here because I anticipate some discussion. - CHAIRBOY ( ☎) 13:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Passive voice? Seriously? Doesn't seem appropriate unless there is evidence her marriage was arranged by some third party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.226.108.27 ( talk) 16:17, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
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It is hard for me to believe that there is anybody on the face of this planet who has never heard of Tony Bennett and his daughter Antonia Bennett! I think they are the greatest male and female voices ever. Apparently Frank Sinatra agree’s with me too! Let me guess, you have also never heard of Frank Sinatra? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnyajohn ( talk • contribs) 22:44, September 25, 2006 (UTC)
IP address 69.226.94.170 keeps on vandalizing the page and writes very vulgar things. The vandalism includes calling Antonia Bennett "Jenna Jameson" who is a famous porn star. Changing the age of 4, to 16. making vulgar olral refrances, changing "David Award" to "Rodney Allen Rippey". etc. This person should be blocked from Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.108.46.97 ( talk • contribs) 20:01, October 3, 2006 (UTC)
This article badly needs additional sources. I checked out the NY Times article that was cited, but it turned out to actually be an article about some other singer, which included a short mention of Bennett: His special guest, Antonia Bennett, who conjures echoes of Billie Holiday and Rickie Lee Jones (with a hint of Betty Boop), joins him for two numbers, including a playful "Baby, It's Cold Outside," and then that small mention has been repeated in many other locations. I tried searching for other references but couldn't find much aside from routine performance announcements, plus there's another "Antonia Bennett" who seems to be an athlete [1]. I also checked out the "David Award" claim, and the only info I could find was the organization's press release, with no further press coverage. [2] In terms of the Wikipedia article, I'd like to see additional references proving the singer's notability per WP:BIO, otherwise the information about Antonia should probably be merged into her father's article. -- Elonka 07:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Not true, I went to the New York Times website and she is mentioned several times. There is also a photograph of her holding the David award in the New York Times. She is also mentioned in many, many other newspapers and online articles. "Elonka" obviously has some personal vendetta and is obsessed with trying to degrade Antonia Bennett. The press release you mentioned is from a chese company, NOT "Italo-American National Union" the oldest Italian-American fraternal organization in America. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.108.46.97 ( talk • contribs) , 02:10, October 11, 2006 (UTC)
I found four listings in addition to the single sentence cabaret article of Feb 8 2002. The others are subscription only:
If someone with TimesSelect cares to check out whether these are more substantial than they look, great. Septentrionalis 17:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
There is no assertion of a major concert tour, charted hits or anything of the like, so we are left with an assertion of multiple press coverage. Including all sources found be Septentrionalis, none feature Antonia, which is the requirement. We don't need to see the whole article to know that someone not mentioned in the first paragraph is not featured. The "David" award is simply not prestigious enough to qualify her on that basis. This is an article about a not-yet-and-may-never-be. Robert A.West ( Talk) 16:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
According to Frank Sinatra her father is the greatest singing legend of all time, she has been singing for over 20 years, she is all over Google. I saw her perform on the Today show and The Regis & Kelly Show. If you look on google you will see she sings all over the country. Amazon sells the CD she did with Tom Wopat and another website states her new CD is coming out soon. Plus, she is very young to have accomplished all this! I believe the Today show, The Regis & Kelly Show, The White House, New York Times, Tony Bennett, Tom Wopat, etc. are all not crazy for supporting her! It is sad that Ms. Elonka has nothing more to do with her time then to make a career out of misinformation and attacking people. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.163.100.6 ( talk • contribs).
This is, I believe, a classic example of why AfD is problematic. Elonka pointed this out on my talk page a few days ago, but I was in Germany and had no access to Wikipedia for a few days, or else I would have certainly voted to remove. I spoke at length on the phone with the person who originally posted the article, who admitted that he was her manager (then denied it, when I told him that violates our rules) and her close friend (then denies it when I told him that also violates our rules). He admitted he was doing it to get her publicity (then denied it, when I told him that this is against our rules). Having said all that, I will ask the people who voted to keep this exactly what is she famous for? Is she famous for being mentioned in the New York Times, or is it because she is the daughter of X? Or alternately, is she famous in her own right, and not just aspiring to be famous. So, I ask again, what is she famous for? Danny 11:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
This is a clear Speedy Deletion candidate, AfD non-withstanding. There's no assertion of notability. The citations provided are for her father and mention her in passing, and WP:MUSIC is simply not met. I've been part of a band that tours, but that doesn't mean I meet WP:MUSIC. Being the daughter of someone who is guest at the white house is very different than being the guest yourself, so that just doesn't match up. Wikipedia is not a democracy, so I encourage the people who will cite the AfD to review the actual policies in play before citing the Keep vote. I don't imagine this will be a popular action, but I really feel it's the right one. We must be consistent in our application of notability guidelines or we will give an inadvertent advantages to borderline 'celebrities' who have friends or fans who are persuasive or know how to 'game' Wikipedia. I will leave this talk page here because I anticipate some discussion. - CHAIRBOY ( ☎) 13:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Passive voice? Seriously? Doesn't seem appropriate unless there is evidence her marriage was arranged by some third party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.226.108.27 ( talk) 16:17, 16 April 2018 (UTC)