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Anton Semenovich's death at 51, right during the big purges of 1939 that were persecuting especially true believers in the community, who had little patience with Stalin, smells strongly of foul play. I have heard a version that he committed suicide, but no confirmation so far through google... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.138.150 ( talk) 14:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
The second argument is that known many signs (indicators) of Makarenko’s health decreasing during last years of his life in consequence of many years (more than 14) of very intensive work without rest and free day, often without night rest (full or partly)... Dmitru ( talk) 11:42, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
The text by Filonov was published 1981, so it was censored and inspired by the Soviet party. Xx236 ( talk) 11:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
The first sentence "The establishment and development of educational theory and the education system in the USSR was closely bound up with the scientific creativity and practical labours of an outstanding group of Soviet educators." makes the whole text innaceptable. Murdered or imprisoned educators should be listed, to explain the context. Xx236 ( talk) 10:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
People who "fought actively" under Stalin were murdered or sent to labor camps. Xx236 ( talk) 11:45, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
In a country where millions were executed or imprisoned, Makarenko rejected... Xx236 ( talk) 12:43, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Now,
this neat bit of
original research has to be removed, no matter how many grains of truth there might be. You see, while the author indeed 'mentions literature about reform schools in the USA' in the opening passages of the book, there is no evidence at all that he refers to "the book "Fifty Years of Prison Service" by Zebulon Reed Brockway".
Now, check the opening
dialogue here. The Chief of the Gubernia Department of Public Education "What can you have to tell me? I know what you're going to say: 'If only we could do like they do over there... er ...in America! ...' I've just read a book about it--someone shoved it on to me. Reforma--...what d'you call them? Oh, yes, reformatories! Well, we haven't got any here yet!"
What exactly this American book was, that the official mentions, remains unclear. Even if it was indeed the one by Zebulon Reed Brockway, that would hardly be good enough reason to proclaim it a Makarenko source, wouldn’t it?
Having said that, any well-sourced data on the literature that might have influenced Makarenko, would be very welcome, of course. --
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09:40, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
"Supposed" faults? To his credit on 8 Sept 2015 the knowledgable editor/gnome Evermore2 added new section Criticism: "Like most things Soviet, Makarenko's ideas came under heavy criticism after the fall of communism. His system has been accused of many of the same supposed faults as Soviet Communism in general...". - Now this section currently reads:
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Maybe I'm way off base here, but given that Makarenko was from Ukraine (which granted was a part of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union during his lifetime) would it not be more accurate to state his nationality as Ukrainian, rather than Russian?
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Anton Semenovich's death at 51, right during the big purges of 1939 that were persecuting especially true believers in the community, who had little patience with Stalin, smells strongly of foul play. I have heard a version that he committed suicide, but no confirmation so far through google... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.138.150 ( talk) 14:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
The second argument is that known many signs (indicators) of Makarenko’s health decreasing during last years of his life in consequence of many years (more than 14) of very intensive work without rest and free day, often without night rest (full or partly)... Dmitru ( talk) 11:42, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
The text by Filonov was published 1981, so it was censored and inspired by the Soviet party. Xx236 ( talk) 11:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
The first sentence "The establishment and development of educational theory and the education system in the USSR was closely bound up with the scientific creativity and practical labours of an outstanding group of Soviet educators." makes the whole text innaceptable. Murdered or imprisoned educators should be listed, to explain the context. Xx236 ( talk) 10:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
People who "fought actively" under Stalin were murdered or sent to labor camps. Xx236 ( talk) 11:45, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
In a country where millions were executed or imprisoned, Makarenko rejected... Xx236 ( talk) 12:43, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Now,
this neat bit of
original research has to be removed, no matter how many grains of truth there might be. You see, while the author indeed 'mentions literature about reform schools in the USA' in the opening passages of the book, there is no evidence at all that he refers to "the book "Fifty Years of Prison Service" by Zebulon Reed Brockway".
Now, check the opening
dialogue here. The Chief of the Gubernia Department of Public Education "What can you have to tell me? I know what you're going to say: 'If only we could do like they do over there... er ...in America! ...' I've just read a book about it--someone shoved it on to me. Reforma--...what d'you call them? Oh, yes, reformatories! Well, we haven't got any here yet!"
What exactly this American book was, that the official mentions, remains unclear. Even if it was indeed the one by Zebulon Reed Brockway, that would hardly be good enough reason to proclaim it a Makarenko source, wouldn’t it?
Having said that, any well-sourced data on the literature that might have influenced Makarenko, would be very welcome, of course. --
Evermore2 (
talk)
09:40, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
"Supposed" faults? To his credit on 8 Sept 2015 the knowledgable editor/gnome Evermore2 added new section Criticism: "Like most things Soviet, Makarenko's ideas came under heavy criticism after the fall of communism. His system has been accused of many of the same supposed faults as Soviet Communism in general...". - Now this section currently reads:
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Maybe I'm way off base here, but given that Makarenko was from Ukraine (which granted was a part of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union during his lifetime) would it not be more accurate to state his nationality as Ukrainian, rather than Russian?