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Could the writer of this article, or someone else knowledgeable, provide me with a source on the population of the city being around 500.000 in the Roman era, if possible with a distinction between the number of free people and of slaves? I do not especially doubt the statement, since the figures I have gathered from various sources range wildly from ca. 100.000 to ca. 450.000, but whether or not slaves are included in the number usually accounts for such fluctuations with regard to population figures of ancient and classical cities. -- Santetjan 9 July 2005 18:46 (UTC)
Why, oh why, must we clutter up the top of the article with rubbish? The other uses template might not be the correct solution for every article. I have no probelm with that. The text as-is, however, uses the word "Antioch" three times. Woe is me! Tedernst | talk 05:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Indeed, when I first changed it to Otheruses, Antioch was actually mispelled once! And it's not just repetition, almost every word is duplicated in the very next sentence (the lede). Bad form. Excrable editting.
I see that several others have applied the same analysis, and it currently is {{ Otherplaces}}.
Why the article was reverted to a clearly inferior form?-- RafaelG 16:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
TodorBozhinov has applied the cleanup tag. I suggest that the text on modern Antakya be moved into its own article. Many historical cities have their own pages.-- William Allen Simpson 13:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I made some changes in the early history, added info on the archaeological excavations and did some other miscellaneous moving around and cleanup - I hope this is a good start. The middle of the article still needs some major pruning and cleanup, as Stbalbach mentioned above. HVH 13:23, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
In the Requested Maps section of the community portal, I found a request for a map noting the position of Antioch within turkey. I've made one, but before I post it I would like to make sure that it is the correct Antioch, and that the map is the correct color/style/etc. If any contributor to this article could point me in the right direction, it would be appreciated. -- CommKing 21:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Judging by the date of the last post to this talk page, I'm attaching the map now. I will make edits if they are requested. -- CommKing 21:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
It's accurate but I had to get out my atlas because I've never seen Turkey portrayed like that. It would be helpful if the water surrounding Turkey was colored blue and the surrounding land black (it's all black currently and hard to see that Antioch is on the sea). -- Stbalbach 00:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'm working on it now. -- CommKing 20:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Here's a new copy. I cannot gaurantee perfect accuracy on the western Caspian Sea border. Tell me what you think. -- CommKing 21:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah a lot easier on the eyes, thanks! -- Stbalbach 21:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm taking off the Requested Map template. -- CommKing 16:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm having difficulty understanding why this article is such a vandalism magnet... AnonMoos 02:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Something is missing from the last sentence of the Arab Period section. "Muslims believe it will be found...." I can't tell what it refers to. Maybe a sentence is missing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.115.217 ( talk) 04:31, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
I have deleted the following sentence at the end of the Arab Period section: "Muslims believe that it will be found by Mahdi near the end of times in the city of Antakya or Antioch." As I mentioned above on August 29, 2007, something seems to be missing from this sentence; i.e., the object that the word "it" refers to, which will be found in Antioch by (the) Mahdi at the end of times. Four months have passed, and no one has supplied the missing element. Personally, I'm very curious to know what it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.123.49 ( talk) 19:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
During the hellenistic/roman period were the original inhabitants Greeks or from the Luwians, Lycians...I'm looking into roman history and the antiochene people(then)...any info.? Domsta333 ( talk) 10:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Simpson, I don't want us to make a mess of the version history so I thought maybe we should discuss on here about when this article should make it's initial reference to Antakya. I really think splitting it into a separate article was an excellent idea on your part. You're probably very familiar with the subject but I just looked at both the articles, and to somebody unfamiliar with this bit of history, there's a fair amount of reading to be done before they make the connection between Antioch and Antakya. It seems to me that the relation is fairly important if the subjects of the articles were similar enough that they used to be one! Maybe you could suggest some wording for how to weave the Antakya reference into the introduction (I also put one to Antioch in the Antakya article, since its likewise important). My ideas go something along the lines of: "..., (a(n) ancient/classical (Hellenic/Greek/Syrian?) city located on the same site as) present/modern day (Turkish?) Antakya,..." Forgive the computer scientesque notation. That leaves quite a few combinations. Have you got any other ideas? Adam Mathias 02:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Antakya is not a city located in the same spot as antioch, it is Antioch, after evolving for nearly two millenia. London may be located at the same spot as Londinium, since Londinium was effectivelly abandoned during the saxon invasions; or Mexico city to Tenochtitlan since this latter city was totally destroyed, but antioch never ceased to be an important city, and since it never died, it lives still today as Antakya. Nobody will say that modern London is a city located on the same site as medieval London, I suppose. 84.91.76.45 ( talk) 13:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Zeus Bottiaeus in Lithuanian language 'Dzevs Botiaus' means God of our ancestors...Aleksandras in Lithuanian language 'A(t)lek(e)s Antras' means born second and Macedon 'Manke Duona' means knead bread...Hun in Lith. 'Gunas/ganytojas' means pastor/shep-herd and Atila 'Eitila' means going/runing the office —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.173.120 ( talk) 05:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that in both articles Antioch's history ended with the Crusades. What happened since 1300? How did it's name change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.191.218.218 ( talk) 22:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
The article says Antioch remains the seat of one of the Eastern Orthodox patriarchs. But I have read that the Patriarch of Antioch is now located in Damascus, Syria (see [1] (about an Antiochian Orthodox bishop charged with groping a woman in a casino)). And if he's in Syria, why does he continue to be called the "Patriarch of Antioch"? Michael Hardy 23:50, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Interesting to read Gibbon for history. I don't know about his conclusions though. Most English of the period, even scholarly ones, were judgmental and therefore maybe not believable in their analyses. Student7 ( talk) 13:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I attempted to include a reference to a library in Antioch. I included a link ( http://libaniusredux.blogspot.com/2008/04/museion.html) to a History blog, the same history blog that is included at the bottom of the page under "external links"(Antiochepedia - Musings Upon Ancient Antioch). This link at this same history blog, mentions several historical references to a library at Antioch, but someone keeps taking this out of this article. I have read several other mentions of a Library at Antioch, aside from this link, elsewhere, though I cannot remember them. Still as I've said, this link does include several historic quotes and references, which I've seen as being sufficient for other articles here on antiquity, yet someone seems to not want it included here, why not? 24.177.153.2 ( talk) 10:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
I wish someone could find an online source for an ancient library in Antioch. I have read of it in several books but I don't know of any online source mentioning it. 24.177.159.68 ( talk) 06:54, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
After Tigranes_the_Great has joined Seleucid empire to Armenia, Antioch became capital of the Armenian Kingdom untill he founded Tigranakert as a new one. Hence Antioch was a capital of Armenia since 95 to 77 years B.C. This fact recorded in every normal, unadulterated (non-Turkish, non-Azeri) books of a History. And it was needless to semiprotect the page because of somebody dislikes Armenia's right to its own history. Thanks for listening. 178.78.172.250 ( talk) 21:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=File:Ortelius_Daphne_Antioch.jpg It seems to me that the artist or geographicer posited only the position of the "upper crust" of the area, I.e., the location of the homes and other structures of the "rulers". Have any excavations uncovered any of this?If this view has no historical value, then why is it presented? 96.19.152.171 ( talk) 20:55, 2 August 2013 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes, Long Beach, MS
The Julian section is largely based on taking works by later Christians, who were opposed to him at face value. Some of it makes no sense, for example, "The irony of Julian's enthusiasm for large scale animal sacrifice could not have escaped the hungry Antiochenes" - ancient sacrifices were eaten by those present; alongside their spiritual functions, they were a way of distributing food to the masses. Furius ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:12, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I could not add the link to the French page Antioche, which contains also the historical part. An error message came. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SteveMTN ( talk • contribs) 09:47, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
The link to Meroe seems to be incorrect.
Through this redirect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Meroe&redirect=no it leads readers to the article on the Kushite place with the same/similar name, spelled either "Meroe" or "Meroë".
There appears to be no appropriate Wikipage for the intended target. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plushtigger ( talk • contribs) 07:06, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
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Could the writer of this article, or someone else knowledgeable, provide me with a source on the population of the city being around 500.000 in the Roman era, if possible with a distinction between the number of free people and of slaves? I do not especially doubt the statement, since the figures I have gathered from various sources range wildly from ca. 100.000 to ca. 450.000, but whether or not slaves are included in the number usually accounts for such fluctuations with regard to population figures of ancient and classical cities. -- Santetjan 9 July 2005 18:46 (UTC)
Why, oh why, must we clutter up the top of the article with rubbish? The other uses template might not be the correct solution for every article. I have no probelm with that. The text as-is, however, uses the word "Antioch" three times. Woe is me! Tedernst | talk 05:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Indeed, when I first changed it to Otheruses, Antioch was actually mispelled once! And it's not just repetition, almost every word is duplicated in the very next sentence (the lede). Bad form. Excrable editting.
I see that several others have applied the same analysis, and it currently is {{ Otherplaces}}.
Why the article was reverted to a clearly inferior form?-- RafaelG 16:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
TodorBozhinov has applied the cleanup tag. I suggest that the text on modern Antakya be moved into its own article. Many historical cities have their own pages.-- William Allen Simpson 13:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I made some changes in the early history, added info on the archaeological excavations and did some other miscellaneous moving around and cleanup - I hope this is a good start. The middle of the article still needs some major pruning and cleanup, as Stbalbach mentioned above. HVH 13:23, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
In the Requested Maps section of the community portal, I found a request for a map noting the position of Antioch within turkey. I've made one, but before I post it I would like to make sure that it is the correct Antioch, and that the map is the correct color/style/etc. If any contributor to this article could point me in the right direction, it would be appreciated. -- CommKing 21:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Judging by the date of the last post to this talk page, I'm attaching the map now. I will make edits if they are requested. -- CommKing 21:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
It's accurate but I had to get out my atlas because I've never seen Turkey portrayed like that. It would be helpful if the water surrounding Turkey was colored blue and the surrounding land black (it's all black currently and hard to see that Antioch is on the sea). -- Stbalbach 00:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'm working on it now. -- CommKing 20:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Here's a new copy. I cannot gaurantee perfect accuracy on the western Caspian Sea border. Tell me what you think. -- CommKing 21:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah a lot easier on the eyes, thanks! -- Stbalbach 21:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm taking off the Requested Map template. -- CommKing 16:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm having difficulty understanding why this article is such a vandalism magnet... AnonMoos 02:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Something is missing from the last sentence of the Arab Period section. "Muslims believe it will be found...." I can't tell what it refers to. Maybe a sentence is missing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.115.217 ( talk) 04:31, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
I have deleted the following sentence at the end of the Arab Period section: "Muslims believe that it will be found by Mahdi near the end of times in the city of Antakya or Antioch." As I mentioned above on August 29, 2007, something seems to be missing from this sentence; i.e., the object that the word "it" refers to, which will be found in Antioch by (the) Mahdi at the end of times. Four months have passed, and no one has supplied the missing element. Personally, I'm very curious to know what it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.123.49 ( talk) 19:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
During the hellenistic/roman period were the original inhabitants Greeks or from the Luwians, Lycians...I'm looking into roman history and the antiochene people(then)...any info.? Domsta333 ( talk) 10:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Simpson, I don't want us to make a mess of the version history so I thought maybe we should discuss on here about when this article should make it's initial reference to Antakya. I really think splitting it into a separate article was an excellent idea on your part. You're probably very familiar with the subject but I just looked at both the articles, and to somebody unfamiliar with this bit of history, there's a fair amount of reading to be done before they make the connection between Antioch and Antakya. It seems to me that the relation is fairly important if the subjects of the articles were similar enough that they used to be one! Maybe you could suggest some wording for how to weave the Antakya reference into the introduction (I also put one to Antioch in the Antakya article, since its likewise important). My ideas go something along the lines of: "..., (a(n) ancient/classical (Hellenic/Greek/Syrian?) city located on the same site as) present/modern day (Turkish?) Antakya,..." Forgive the computer scientesque notation. That leaves quite a few combinations. Have you got any other ideas? Adam Mathias 02:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Antakya is not a city located in the same spot as antioch, it is Antioch, after evolving for nearly two millenia. London may be located at the same spot as Londinium, since Londinium was effectivelly abandoned during the saxon invasions; or Mexico city to Tenochtitlan since this latter city was totally destroyed, but antioch never ceased to be an important city, and since it never died, it lives still today as Antakya. Nobody will say that modern London is a city located on the same site as medieval London, I suppose. 84.91.76.45 ( talk) 13:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Zeus Bottiaeus in Lithuanian language 'Dzevs Botiaus' means God of our ancestors...Aleksandras in Lithuanian language 'A(t)lek(e)s Antras' means born second and Macedon 'Manke Duona' means knead bread...Hun in Lith. 'Gunas/ganytojas' means pastor/shep-herd and Atila 'Eitila' means going/runing the office —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.173.120 ( talk) 05:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that in both articles Antioch's history ended with the Crusades. What happened since 1300? How did it's name change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.191.218.218 ( talk) 22:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
The article says Antioch remains the seat of one of the Eastern Orthodox patriarchs. But I have read that the Patriarch of Antioch is now located in Damascus, Syria (see [1] (about an Antiochian Orthodox bishop charged with groping a woman in a casino)). And if he's in Syria, why does he continue to be called the "Patriarch of Antioch"? Michael Hardy 23:50, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Interesting to read Gibbon for history. I don't know about his conclusions though. Most English of the period, even scholarly ones, were judgmental and therefore maybe not believable in their analyses. Student7 ( talk) 13:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I attempted to include a reference to a library in Antioch. I included a link ( http://libaniusredux.blogspot.com/2008/04/museion.html) to a History blog, the same history blog that is included at the bottom of the page under "external links"(Antiochepedia - Musings Upon Ancient Antioch). This link at this same history blog, mentions several historical references to a library at Antioch, but someone keeps taking this out of this article. I have read several other mentions of a Library at Antioch, aside from this link, elsewhere, though I cannot remember them. Still as I've said, this link does include several historic quotes and references, which I've seen as being sufficient for other articles here on antiquity, yet someone seems to not want it included here, why not? 24.177.153.2 ( talk) 10:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
I wish someone could find an online source for an ancient library in Antioch. I have read of it in several books but I don't know of any online source mentioning it. 24.177.159.68 ( talk) 06:54, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
After Tigranes_the_Great has joined Seleucid empire to Armenia, Antioch became capital of the Armenian Kingdom untill he founded Tigranakert as a new one. Hence Antioch was a capital of Armenia since 95 to 77 years B.C. This fact recorded in every normal, unadulterated (non-Turkish, non-Azeri) books of a History. And it was needless to semiprotect the page because of somebody dislikes Armenia's right to its own history. Thanks for listening. 178.78.172.250 ( talk) 21:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=File:Ortelius_Daphne_Antioch.jpg It seems to me that the artist or geographicer posited only the position of the "upper crust" of the area, I.e., the location of the homes and other structures of the "rulers". Have any excavations uncovered any of this?If this view has no historical value, then why is it presented? 96.19.152.171 ( talk) 20:55, 2 August 2013 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes, Long Beach, MS
The Julian section is largely based on taking works by later Christians, who were opposed to him at face value. Some of it makes no sense, for example, "The irony of Julian's enthusiasm for large scale animal sacrifice could not have escaped the hungry Antiochenes" - ancient sacrifices were eaten by those present; alongside their spiritual functions, they were a way of distributing food to the masses. Furius ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:12, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I could not add the link to the French page Antioche, which contains also the historical part. An error message came. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SteveMTN ( talk • contribs) 09:47, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
The link to Meroe seems to be incorrect.
Through this redirect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Meroe&redirect=no it leads readers to the article on the Kushite place with the same/similar name, spelled either "Meroe" or "Meroë".
There appears to be no appropriate Wikipage for the intended target. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plushtigger ( talk • contribs) 07:06, 23 July 2016 (UTC)