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QUOTE: "the public view of North Koreans are normal" - I wouldn't be so sure. The state of North Korea is frequently ridiculed on television satire shows, on the internet as a part of Kuso culture, and mocked on online BBSes such as Mop, Baidu Tieba and Tianya (Tianya has such a reputation for Fenqing that it's commonly called the Chinese 2channel...), although I can't actually prove my point right now. Much of the "Pro-DPRK" display you see from the PRC government, on the other hand, is mostly rhetoric. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 02:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Most of the article here are between South Korea and China on cometemporary issues. Almost nothing about North Korea, so it's unfair to include them. The historical dispute between Korean states and PRC have mostly between CN and SK while Nk does participate to some extent but it certainly does not gather hate for North Koreans. As you can see almost 99% if not 100% are between Sk and CN on "comtemparory issues", whether Taiwan or ROC have anything to do with PRC's matter on this is questionalbe, at the main page (Anti-Korean Sentiments) there are still separate sections for China and Taiwan. I suggest put historic disputes like Koguryo (which no source have indicate any rascim towards North Korean after that, most if not all, Chinese media would said South Korea) on the main page and keep this article as between CN and SK only.-- LLTimes ( talk) 15:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the article is cluttered to the extent that we should split it in two. Also, with consideration that exacerbating sentiments between the two cultures may possibly be primarily caused by nationalism, and with consideration that Korean Nationalism is dominant in both North and South Koreas, use of the concept Korea, defined as a single nation, may have more salience to the topic than the Koreas defined as states. Cydevil38 ( talk) 00:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Need to get sources of Chinese reaction at that actually relates to anti-Korean sentiment in China. The section doesn't explain anything. The whole article is incredibly lax at what is considered anti-Korean sentiment, often citing whatever beef China has with Korea that day. Ridiculous. Akkies ( talk) 23:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
most links of references are obsolete in the article. Also the article may rely too much on the korean news sources, which might also be be an example of biases rather than a reliable source of encyclopedia. Are there any English sources that can be accessed and verified by most users in the English wikipedia? -- Winstonlighter ( talk) 12:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
To Kuebie, Seems that you can read Chinese when you cut out lines without hesitation, so please read these lines in the source
"韩国网民看到这些报道后,有人表示“没想到”、“真是不小的冲击”。还有网友由此赞叹 “我们的民族真是一个有伟大胸襟的民族”、“看来两国的历史应该重写了”。也有人表示“这本来就没什么奇怪的”、“明朝本来就是高丽人建立的”。
最后,韩国媒体评论称,至今为止,中韩两国学者对于“朱元璋是不是高丽人”还没有得出一个清晰的结论,今后关于朱元璋的身世之谜在两国史学界还将展开更加激烈的争论。"
-- LLTimes ( talk) 23:45, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Which you've used to cite this sentence: The reaction has been mixed with some Korean netizen proposing a revision in both country's history while a confused reaction from Chinese's side. That does not relate to Anti-Korean sentiment in China. At all. Akkies ( talk) 23:51, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
the article discusses the negative sentiments in the sino-korea relation rather than just anti-korean sentiment in china or anti-china sentiment in korea. I propose to move the article to a more accruate title such as Grievances in Sino-Korea relations or Sentiment in Sino-Korea relations. -- Winstonlighter ( talk) 11:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
What does "without acknowledging other natives of the region such as the Tungusic peoples" even mean exactly? As in what are you trying to convey? Also, China is the only one to have taken offense by the "lost territory" comment. Saying there were reactions from "both sides" is just wrong. Akkies ( talk) 00:57, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
OT: Kuebie, why have you removed my { {citationneeded}} tags? -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 10:06, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Article header tags such as { {refimprove}} are only supposed to be used if the majority of the article is unsourced, or if there are no { {cn}} tags. Most statements in this article does have citations, and for those that don't, a { {cn}} will suffice. Do not add the { {refimprove}} tag. Mark unreferenced statements, so that they can be identified, and removed if no one is able to back them up. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 10:25, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Take a look at this edit which I previously reverted - [3]. The sentence reads:
I think a better way to put it is that offensive slurs are used on ethnic Koreans in China. The source here is also a bit troubling. It's a book called 醜陋的韓國人, a highly controversial book written by a Korean scholar in Japan which more or less criticises the whole Korean race. However, I have not read it so I hesitate to say that it is not credible. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 20:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
We need to have more Chinese news/media source for this section. Current version of "Political perspective" is written from South Korean point of view and cites Korean media. And the second paragraph even cites 2008 article from Ohmynews, well before the 2010 US-South military drill.
2010 US-South military exercise took place after the sinking of South Korean vessel, Cheonan. Its goal was to deter the North's provocation and was not aimed at making Chinese people alarmed. (I know this makes no difference to Chinese government which doesn't allow U.S. carrier to enter Yellow sea. But after U.N. security council failed to reach an agreement on the North's act of war, it was one of few options left for Seoul and Washington.) If the military exercise made Chinese people more anti-South, as it is expected, then there must be Chinese reactions/reports on it.
In short, this section needs to elaborate more on the relationship between Lee Myung-bak government and increased anti-Korean sentiment in China. There's a weak causality between a conservative South Korean government and Chinese spectator's booing toward Korean athletes during Olympic games. PBJT ( talk) 00:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
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QUOTE: "the public view of North Koreans are normal" - I wouldn't be so sure. The state of North Korea is frequently ridiculed on television satire shows, on the internet as a part of Kuso culture, and mocked on online BBSes such as Mop, Baidu Tieba and Tianya (Tianya has such a reputation for Fenqing that it's commonly called the Chinese 2channel...), although I can't actually prove my point right now. Much of the "Pro-DPRK" display you see from the PRC government, on the other hand, is mostly rhetoric. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 02:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Most of the article here are between South Korea and China on cometemporary issues. Almost nothing about North Korea, so it's unfair to include them. The historical dispute between Korean states and PRC have mostly between CN and SK while Nk does participate to some extent but it certainly does not gather hate for North Koreans. As you can see almost 99% if not 100% are between Sk and CN on "comtemparory issues", whether Taiwan or ROC have anything to do with PRC's matter on this is questionalbe, at the main page (Anti-Korean Sentiments) there are still separate sections for China and Taiwan. I suggest put historic disputes like Koguryo (which no source have indicate any rascim towards North Korean after that, most if not all, Chinese media would said South Korea) on the main page and keep this article as between CN and SK only.-- LLTimes ( talk) 15:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the article is cluttered to the extent that we should split it in two. Also, with consideration that exacerbating sentiments between the two cultures may possibly be primarily caused by nationalism, and with consideration that Korean Nationalism is dominant in both North and South Koreas, use of the concept Korea, defined as a single nation, may have more salience to the topic than the Koreas defined as states. Cydevil38 ( talk) 00:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Need to get sources of Chinese reaction at that actually relates to anti-Korean sentiment in China. The section doesn't explain anything. The whole article is incredibly lax at what is considered anti-Korean sentiment, often citing whatever beef China has with Korea that day. Ridiculous. Akkies ( talk) 23:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
most links of references are obsolete in the article. Also the article may rely too much on the korean news sources, which might also be be an example of biases rather than a reliable source of encyclopedia. Are there any English sources that can be accessed and verified by most users in the English wikipedia? -- Winstonlighter ( talk) 12:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
To Kuebie, Seems that you can read Chinese when you cut out lines without hesitation, so please read these lines in the source
"韩国网民看到这些报道后,有人表示“没想到”、“真是不小的冲击”。还有网友由此赞叹 “我们的民族真是一个有伟大胸襟的民族”、“看来两国的历史应该重写了”。也有人表示“这本来就没什么奇怪的”、“明朝本来就是高丽人建立的”。
最后,韩国媒体评论称,至今为止,中韩两国学者对于“朱元璋是不是高丽人”还没有得出一个清晰的结论,今后关于朱元璋的身世之谜在两国史学界还将展开更加激烈的争论。"
-- LLTimes ( talk) 23:45, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Which you've used to cite this sentence: The reaction has been mixed with some Korean netizen proposing a revision in both country's history while a confused reaction from Chinese's side. That does not relate to Anti-Korean sentiment in China. At all. Akkies ( talk) 23:51, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
the article discusses the negative sentiments in the sino-korea relation rather than just anti-korean sentiment in china or anti-china sentiment in korea. I propose to move the article to a more accruate title such as Grievances in Sino-Korea relations or Sentiment in Sino-Korea relations. -- Winstonlighter ( talk) 11:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
What does "without acknowledging other natives of the region such as the Tungusic peoples" even mean exactly? As in what are you trying to convey? Also, China is the only one to have taken offense by the "lost territory" comment. Saying there were reactions from "both sides" is just wrong. Akkies ( talk) 00:57, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
OT: Kuebie, why have you removed my { {citationneeded}} tags? -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 10:06, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Article header tags such as { {refimprove}} are only supposed to be used if the majority of the article is unsourced, or if there are no { {cn}} tags. Most statements in this article does have citations, and for those that don't, a { {cn}} will suffice. Do not add the { {refimprove}} tag. Mark unreferenced statements, so that they can be identified, and removed if no one is able to back them up. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 10:25, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Take a look at this edit which I previously reverted - [3]. The sentence reads:
I think a better way to put it is that offensive slurs are used on ethnic Koreans in China. The source here is also a bit troubling. It's a book called 醜陋的韓國人, a highly controversial book written by a Korean scholar in Japan which more or less criticises the whole Korean race. However, I have not read it so I hesitate to say that it is not credible. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 20:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
We need to have more Chinese news/media source for this section. Current version of "Political perspective" is written from South Korean point of view and cites Korean media. And the second paragraph even cites 2008 article from Ohmynews, well before the 2010 US-South military drill.
2010 US-South military exercise took place after the sinking of South Korean vessel, Cheonan. Its goal was to deter the North's provocation and was not aimed at making Chinese people alarmed. (I know this makes no difference to Chinese government which doesn't allow U.S. carrier to enter Yellow sea. But after U.N. security council failed to reach an agreement on the North's act of war, it was one of few options left for Seoul and Washington.) If the military exercise made Chinese people more anti-South, as it is expected, then there must be Chinese reactions/reports on it.
In short, this section needs to elaborate more on the relationship between Lee Myung-bak government and increased anti-Korean sentiment in China. There's a weak causality between a conservative South Korean government and Chinese spectator's booing toward Korean athletes during Olympic games. PBJT ( talk) 00:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 14:58, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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