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Is there a reason that someone placed Anti-Flag under the category of American Marxist? Is there documented proof somewhere that the band represents marxist views? 108.2.124.115 ( talk) 00:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Anti-Flag is the only major-label band I know that sells its albums and T-shirts for $10 at their concerts. This contrasts strongly with the prices at most concerts, where sleazy merchandisers charge more, knowing that fans will be so excited about the concert that they'll pay inflated prices. Sylvar 17:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
'In 2005 Anti-Flag announced that their new album will be released early 2006 under RCA Records. The band said that they want their music to be heard. RCA is owned by Sony BMG, one of the largest corporations in the world. Many fans find this decision hypocritical due to Anti-Flag's previously overt anti-capitalist lyrics.'
Yes while it can be said that Anti-flag signing to this lable is hypocritical, some punk bands like The Sex Pistols argue that they are not afraid to break into the mainstream ie; appearing on Top of the Pops, signing to a major lable, because it is the best way to get their ideas into the mainstream, which considering that punk is a potential pollitical idealolgy is important within pollitics and gaining movement for the punk scene.-- Snowy Mcintosh 20:28, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
If "many fans find this hypocritical" or anything like that is going to be in there, it better be cited. It's a completely speculative statement otherwise, despite the theoritical basis for any accusations of hypocrisy anyone might have. And it'd be nice if someone could phrase it without using weasel words. Cheeser1 03:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This article needs to be changed to a non biased pov. It seems the author has just put his opinions down in place of an actual article.
The last paragraph is clearly biased. It states "Many fans find this decision hypocritical" was there a survey, is there anything that can back that statement up? It sounds like some pretentious fan boy is upset that his favourite band signed to a major lable. So i am removing the "many fans...." statement, as there is no evidence to back that up.
Jacknife737
19:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Every now and again, people from all walks of life decide that what they are doing has been fruitless to that point and seek to change how they go about their business.
I.E. trying to promote change WORLDWIDE while being on an independent label. Anti-Flag made a calculated gamble to take on people who are going to accuse them of being sellouts in order to reach a larger audience. I'm sure in their minds, having a couple of hardcore fans who already get the message pissed off at them is a small price to pay for getting their point of view and information to the masses. For every "true fan" that is going to be choked by them being on RCA, they may create 100 new fans who all of the sudden realize what a travesty the government of the USA is.
That's my opinion anyway.
I removed this because I don't really feel that it's worth our time to post every piece of activism that the band's involved with in the article. The person who added this, by looking at their contribs, clearly has an agenda, and since this hasn't been a particular major thing for the band I don't really see any reason to include it. Also, external links should pertain directly to the subject of the article. Fightindaman 20:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Care to explain? Because songs like "Kill the Rich" "We Want an Anarchy" "Free Nation?" "Police State In the USA" don't really sound like centrist views to me. I wish some of them would be, but they aren't. Also, they have claimed to be socialists in the past, and I think that immediately excludes them form the general "Liberal" label. 70.181.139.64 04:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
"Progressive/left-wing" would be fine by me. 70.181.139.64 04:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
When did they advocate burning down libraries? Also, they have referred to themselves as socialists before. I think its just easier to say left-wing rather than try and categorize them. Especially since most of their fans wont agree with you.
P.S. Sorry about reverting your changes without disscussing first. My bad. 70.181.139.64 22:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
"Question: what is anti-flag's political affiliation?
Answer: The members of Anti-Flag tend to prescribe to progressive, far left leaning political ideology. Anti-Flag have backed a number of political candidates in the past but overall tend not to back specific candidates. " http://www.anti-flag.com/GO50.php?offset=15
So that seems to be their offical word on it. 70.181.139.64 22:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
in my oponion you are wrong gatsby. SEE POST ABOVE "LEFT WING". i think that AF is trying stop the "left wing" "rightwing" way of thinking. the seem to support more radical ideas but acctuly their retoric sounds a liltle like communism.
Razor romance
Should it be noted that there is alot of criticism within the punk scene that Anti-Flag doesn't know what they ar talking about, and that most of there lyrics are just meant to be shocking, or just ramble on about how the government is run by "facists"?
What the fuck are you talking about?
whoever wrote that statment has two problems with that statment
1 it is not the porpouse of wikipedia to determin if a band "knows what they are talking about" and 2SIGN YOUR FRIGGIN WORK!!! Razor romance 18:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
--Criticism from arrogant snots. What do they mean anti-flag doesn't know what they are talking about? Anti-Flag is probably the only political punk band I've run across that backs nearly everything they say up with some form of evidence or at least cites resources. Plenty of punk bands go on about the government being run by fascists but don't back it up. At least anti-flag backs it up. 12.156.166.47 19:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
-Actually Anti-Flag has essays either band members wrote or that they were fond of posted on their website and in CD booklets. For example, their essays and ramblings section. Vigilarts ( talk) 05:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
"Perhaps the largest criticism of Anti-Flag is that while they claim to have far left-wing ideals, perhaps akin to socialism, they are happy to sell their merchandise and records at a price. They've aimed songs at money greedy corporations previously, yet they have no qualms with making money themselves."
I deleted this because Anti-Flag have never stated that people should not be able to profit from their work.
There should be a singles section
haha, if you think mt lebo is affluent... oh boy. upper middle class, sure, but affluent? ha.
Someone should put together a Albums section. There's quiet a few.
I don't really own for blood and empire, so I can't say whether or not they sold out with it. But I do know that The Terror State is a shining example of what a deftly political punk album should be. It cites problems in the world, gives evidence to support these problems, presents the message in an angry yet intelligient manner, manages to have catchy lyrics without being wishy washy, and gives us a little direction as to what to do about the world. It is one of the best punk albums I've picked up in a while and has some of the best lyrics I've ever seen, from any genre of music.
Whoever says anti-flag watered down their lyrics by going from "kill the rich" to "power to the peaceful" is a moron. Either you haven't actually heard the song or you are just a war mongering rebel without a clue. What's wrong with a little pacifism? Must all punks be violent rebels? Can't we have some punks that believe in a little peace and unity?
I also see little problem with switching to a major label or making money off the cds. A poor person can do little to change the world, especially if he is starving. Look at Black Flag for crisakes. They were highly DIY and they practically starved to death their entire careers! On the other hand, signing to a major label allows you to broadcast your views to a wider audience. You can call it hypocritical that they denounce capitalism and then take part in the system, or you can call it ironic that they are seeking the collapse of the system that has latched on to them. To destroy your enemy, get close to him right? As for making money off their junk, even highly DIY bands like Against All Authority and Black Flag charge circa 10 bucks per cd. It's impossible to cover cost of manufacture and feed yourself if you charge less than that! It's not like they live in mansions or drive corvettes or anything! It is especially hard to hand out cds for free or charge small amounts of money if you are trying to circulate your material among a wide audience like Anti-Flag is.
Also, let's be fair. Anti-Flag is anti-corporate, but corporations are a lot larger than a group of musicians making money of their music. Anti-Flag's money is money earned for a job well done, not money stolen, like the giant corporations tend to do, which is what anti-flag speaks out against. Learn the difference between earning and stealing. It's crucial. 208.191.84.241 20:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)Punk rock extraordinaire
Someone changed Anti-Flag's genre from 'political punk rock' to 'political rock'. This seems more than a little pointless since Anti-Flag's genre isn't even under debate. Maybe labelling a disputed band like AFI that way, but Anti-Flag? I think everyone can pretty much agree that anti-flag is a punk rock band. I reverted it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.191.86.76 ( talk) 16:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC).
Once again, I will revert. If someone doesn't know what punk is, they can wiki it and find out.
Ok, further. I can understand saying Anti-Flag are a little more pop-oriented than other punk bands, but to call them pop/punk is childish. They fit none of the musical requirements for pop-punk. The biggest difference between pop-punk and 'true' punk is that pop-punk is 100% non-political. Any band that even begins to approach political issues begins to shed the label pop-punk. As clearly political as anti-flag is to call them pop-punk is just plain stupid. Thus I am removing the pop-punk label under the genre box.
--I think Anti-Flag could definetely be classified as melodic hardcore in addition to being political punk...feedback? - Razorhead
HI guys, I recently saw this article needed a huge revamp. So i decided so set up some sound sample, a new lead, and a references section. If you guys could join in that would be great. Also, the references seem to be unfunctioning. Does someone who knows how to make these refs work step up? It would be immense help. Thanx -- Ṣ₡ЯՄՊՏɧѱᎦ ☎/ ∑ 23:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Can nobody find any information on him? The other members each have a page, but his redirects back to the band's. Cheers, Crassic! 14:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
EDIT:I can't seem to find much info on him with Google. I see why no one's made a page. Hmmmm.... CrayZsaaron 01:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Pat has done a few interviews in somewhat recent years that might help someone create a page for him. [1] [2] [3] JennBingman ( talk) 15:12, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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I changed streetpunk to political punk because they signed onto a major label so they arent street
We should add one, the article looks like a talk page. Zazaban 03:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
THREE of the four guys are vegetarians. The article says all four are and I keep editing it but someone changes it back. Look at the citation, christ. I'm going to change it again and if anyone puts it back I kindly ask you to edit it for me.
Daniel willems ( talk) 15:27, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I changed it back to vegan because in many videos about how they are vegan all members are present and talk about it. Intill you can link me to an offical artical it will remain vegan and is not up for discussion —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frid2 ( talk • contribs) 08:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Is there really a new album coming from Anti-Flag? There is something about blog reports from Justin Sane suggesting that they will leave RCA and make another album, but I have not seen any proof of that so far. Mattimis ( talk) 02:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Was Lucy Fester a bassgitarist or a gitarist for the band? The article doesn't really explain that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lubberink ( talk • contribs) 15:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Lucy played guitar. Justin originally played drums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ks99 ( talk • contribs) 16:19, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
can we talk about justin gentrifying hipster lawrenceville? man, i hate working class people, too. they get in the way of making money. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.162.177.244 ( talk) 17:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Punk rock [1] , hardcore punk [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.214.78 ( talk) 02:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
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Page falsely claims Chris #2 deleted his social media. He didn't, Justin Sane deleted all his social media. 2600:1008:B1AA:58E8:D88B:7705:49DD:3518 ( talk) 12:00, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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Is there a reason that someone placed Anti-Flag under the category of American Marxist? Is there documented proof somewhere that the band represents marxist views? 108.2.124.115 ( talk) 00:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Anti-Flag is the only major-label band I know that sells its albums and T-shirts for $10 at their concerts. This contrasts strongly with the prices at most concerts, where sleazy merchandisers charge more, knowing that fans will be so excited about the concert that they'll pay inflated prices. Sylvar 17:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
'In 2005 Anti-Flag announced that their new album will be released early 2006 under RCA Records. The band said that they want their music to be heard. RCA is owned by Sony BMG, one of the largest corporations in the world. Many fans find this decision hypocritical due to Anti-Flag's previously overt anti-capitalist lyrics.'
Yes while it can be said that Anti-flag signing to this lable is hypocritical, some punk bands like The Sex Pistols argue that they are not afraid to break into the mainstream ie; appearing on Top of the Pops, signing to a major lable, because it is the best way to get their ideas into the mainstream, which considering that punk is a potential pollitical idealolgy is important within pollitics and gaining movement for the punk scene.-- Snowy Mcintosh 20:28, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
If "many fans find this hypocritical" or anything like that is going to be in there, it better be cited. It's a completely speculative statement otherwise, despite the theoritical basis for any accusations of hypocrisy anyone might have. And it'd be nice if someone could phrase it without using weasel words. Cheeser1 03:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This article needs to be changed to a non biased pov. It seems the author has just put his opinions down in place of an actual article.
The last paragraph is clearly biased. It states "Many fans find this decision hypocritical" was there a survey, is there anything that can back that statement up? It sounds like some pretentious fan boy is upset that his favourite band signed to a major lable. So i am removing the "many fans...." statement, as there is no evidence to back that up.
Jacknife737
19:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Every now and again, people from all walks of life decide that what they are doing has been fruitless to that point and seek to change how they go about their business.
I.E. trying to promote change WORLDWIDE while being on an independent label. Anti-Flag made a calculated gamble to take on people who are going to accuse them of being sellouts in order to reach a larger audience. I'm sure in their minds, having a couple of hardcore fans who already get the message pissed off at them is a small price to pay for getting their point of view and information to the masses. For every "true fan" that is going to be choked by them being on RCA, they may create 100 new fans who all of the sudden realize what a travesty the government of the USA is.
That's my opinion anyway.
I removed this because I don't really feel that it's worth our time to post every piece of activism that the band's involved with in the article. The person who added this, by looking at their contribs, clearly has an agenda, and since this hasn't been a particular major thing for the band I don't really see any reason to include it. Also, external links should pertain directly to the subject of the article. Fightindaman 20:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Care to explain? Because songs like "Kill the Rich" "We Want an Anarchy" "Free Nation?" "Police State In the USA" don't really sound like centrist views to me. I wish some of them would be, but they aren't. Also, they have claimed to be socialists in the past, and I think that immediately excludes them form the general "Liberal" label. 70.181.139.64 04:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
"Progressive/left-wing" would be fine by me. 70.181.139.64 04:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
When did they advocate burning down libraries? Also, they have referred to themselves as socialists before. I think its just easier to say left-wing rather than try and categorize them. Especially since most of their fans wont agree with you.
P.S. Sorry about reverting your changes without disscussing first. My bad. 70.181.139.64 22:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
"Question: what is anti-flag's political affiliation?
Answer: The members of Anti-Flag tend to prescribe to progressive, far left leaning political ideology. Anti-Flag have backed a number of political candidates in the past but overall tend not to back specific candidates. " http://www.anti-flag.com/GO50.php?offset=15
So that seems to be their offical word on it. 70.181.139.64 22:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
in my oponion you are wrong gatsby. SEE POST ABOVE "LEFT WING". i think that AF is trying stop the "left wing" "rightwing" way of thinking. the seem to support more radical ideas but acctuly their retoric sounds a liltle like communism.
Razor romance
Should it be noted that there is alot of criticism within the punk scene that Anti-Flag doesn't know what they ar talking about, and that most of there lyrics are just meant to be shocking, or just ramble on about how the government is run by "facists"?
What the fuck are you talking about?
whoever wrote that statment has two problems with that statment
1 it is not the porpouse of wikipedia to determin if a band "knows what they are talking about" and 2SIGN YOUR FRIGGIN WORK!!! Razor romance 18:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
--Criticism from arrogant snots. What do they mean anti-flag doesn't know what they are talking about? Anti-Flag is probably the only political punk band I've run across that backs nearly everything they say up with some form of evidence or at least cites resources. Plenty of punk bands go on about the government being run by fascists but don't back it up. At least anti-flag backs it up. 12.156.166.47 19:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
-Actually Anti-Flag has essays either band members wrote or that they were fond of posted on their website and in CD booklets. For example, their essays and ramblings section. Vigilarts ( talk) 05:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
"Perhaps the largest criticism of Anti-Flag is that while they claim to have far left-wing ideals, perhaps akin to socialism, they are happy to sell their merchandise and records at a price. They've aimed songs at money greedy corporations previously, yet they have no qualms with making money themselves."
I deleted this because Anti-Flag have never stated that people should not be able to profit from their work.
There should be a singles section
haha, if you think mt lebo is affluent... oh boy. upper middle class, sure, but affluent? ha.
Someone should put together a Albums section. There's quiet a few.
I don't really own for blood and empire, so I can't say whether or not they sold out with it. But I do know that The Terror State is a shining example of what a deftly political punk album should be. It cites problems in the world, gives evidence to support these problems, presents the message in an angry yet intelligient manner, manages to have catchy lyrics without being wishy washy, and gives us a little direction as to what to do about the world. It is one of the best punk albums I've picked up in a while and has some of the best lyrics I've ever seen, from any genre of music.
Whoever says anti-flag watered down their lyrics by going from "kill the rich" to "power to the peaceful" is a moron. Either you haven't actually heard the song or you are just a war mongering rebel without a clue. What's wrong with a little pacifism? Must all punks be violent rebels? Can't we have some punks that believe in a little peace and unity?
I also see little problem with switching to a major label or making money off the cds. A poor person can do little to change the world, especially if he is starving. Look at Black Flag for crisakes. They were highly DIY and they practically starved to death their entire careers! On the other hand, signing to a major label allows you to broadcast your views to a wider audience. You can call it hypocritical that they denounce capitalism and then take part in the system, or you can call it ironic that they are seeking the collapse of the system that has latched on to them. To destroy your enemy, get close to him right? As for making money off their junk, even highly DIY bands like Against All Authority and Black Flag charge circa 10 bucks per cd. It's impossible to cover cost of manufacture and feed yourself if you charge less than that! It's not like they live in mansions or drive corvettes or anything! It is especially hard to hand out cds for free or charge small amounts of money if you are trying to circulate your material among a wide audience like Anti-Flag is.
Also, let's be fair. Anti-Flag is anti-corporate, but corporations are a lot larger than a group of musicians making money of their music. Anti-Flag's money is money earned for a job well done, not money stolen, like the giant corporations tend to do, which is what anti-flag speaks out against. Learn the difference between earning and stealing. It's crucial. 208.191.84.241 20:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)Punk rock extraordinaire
Someone changed Anti-Flag's genre from 'political punk rock' to 'political rock'. This seems more than a little pointless since Anti-Flag's genre isn't even under debate. Maybe labelling a disputed band like AFI that way, but Anti-Flag? I think everyone can pretty much agree that anti-flag is a punk rock band. I reverted it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.191.86.76 ( talk) 16:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC).
Once again, I will revert. If someone doesn't know what punk is, they can wiki it and find out.
Ok, further. I can understand saying Anti-Flag are a little more pop-oriented than other punk bands, but to call them pop/punk is childish. They fit none of the musical requirements for pop-punk. The biggest difference between pop-punk and 'true' punk is that pop-punk is 100% non-political. Any band that even begins to approach political issues begins to shed the label pop-punk. As clearly political as anti-flag is to call them pop-punk is just plain stupid. Thus I am removing the pop-punk label under the genre box.
--I think Anti-Flag could definetely be classified as melodic hardcore in addition to being political punk...feedback? - Razorhead
HI guys, I recently saw this article needed a huge revamp. So i decided so set up some sound sample, a new lead, and a references section. If you guys could join in that would be great. Also, the references seem to be unfunctioning. Does someone who knows how to make these refs work step up? It would be immense help. Thanx -- Ṣ₡ЯՄՊՏɧѱᎦ ☎/ ∑ 23:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Can nobody find any information on him? The other members each have a page, but his redirects back to the band's. Cheers, Crassic! 14:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
EDIT:I can't seem to find much info on him with Google. I see why no one's made a page. Hmmmm.... CrayZsaaron 01:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Pat has done a few interviews in somewhat recent years that might help someone create a page for him. [1] [2] [3] JennBingman ( talk) 15:12, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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I changed streetpunk to political punk because they signed onto a major label so they arent street
We should add one, the article looks like a talk page. Zazaban 03:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
THREE of the four guys are vegetarians. The article says all four are and I keep editing it but someone changes it back. Look at the citation, christ. I'm going to change it again and if anyone puts it back I kindly ask you to edit it for me.
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I changed it back to vegan because in many videos about how they are vegan all members are present and talk about it. Intill you can link me to an offical artical it will remain vegan and is not up for discussion —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frid2 ( talk • contribs) 08:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Is there really a new album coming from Anti-Flag? There is something about blog reports from Justin Sane suggesting that they will leave RCA and make another album, but I have not seen any proof of that so far. Mattimis ( talk) 02:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Was Lucy Fester a bassgitarist or a gitarist for the band? The article doesn't really explain that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lubberink ( talk • contribs) 15:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Lucy played guitar. Justin originally played drums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ks99 ( talk • contribs) 16:19, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
can we talk about justin gentrifying hipster lawrenceville? man, i hate working class people, too. they get in the way of making money. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.162.177.244 ( talk) 17:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Punk rock [1] , hardcore punk [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.214.78 ( talk) 02:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
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Rest In Peace to Anti-Flag 2600:1004:B026:8CDB:5DC8:9E9E:CAA6:AA76 ( talk) 23:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Sports Keeda has covered these accusations. Is it reliable enough for inclusion? https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/pop-culture/what-justin-sane-do-allegations-explored-anti-flag-breakup-leaves-fans-distraught 174.251.64.219 ( talk) 15:54, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Page falsely claims Chris #2 deleted his social media. He didn't, Justin Sane deleted all his social media. 2600:1008:B1AA:58E8:D88B:7705:49DD:3518 ( talk) 12:00, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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