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Shouldn't the name of this article be Antara bin Shaddad? Gareth Hughes 14:09, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yes & no, but no is the better answer.
Ibn and bin are almost the same. But bin is common in informal Arabic. In the other side informal Arabic or classic Arabic it is always said as ibn. Through time I guess, people used bin because its easier on the tongue. Alromaithi 06:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
So, we can say as a general, that whenever there are two Proper noun (of persons' names), between them we choose بن "bin". In other cases we write it ابن Ibn.
هارون الرشيد العربي ( talk) 20:52, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
I read Antarah Story over and Over and I never heard of Mufarij Ibn Homam?? is tehre any source of?. Mussav 03:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
He was actually sent to steal the horses of the Persian king as a favor to his Uncle in accordiance with his wish for Antar and Obla's mairage. Also, it was his quality and powers over music which gained him the favor of the Persian King. THe Persian King was so overwhelmed by the Pressence and Mannor of Antar that he granted him thousands of gifts from a convoy of slaves, to millions in gold and silver. He actually died in combat with a famous warrior who used poisened arrows. He died defending his honor and the life of his wife. The source of this information is in fact the hard-back 1944 version of the Romance of Antar. Fascinating read.
Deleting the following unsourced (and some of it repeated) information:
"This foreign Ethiopian origin however is later (racist) speculation, as Arabs frequently enslaved each other as a result of tribal wars. The tribe neglected Antara at first, and he grew up in servitude. Although it was fairly obvious that Shaddad was his father. He was considered one of the "Arab crows" (Al-aghribah Al-'Arab) because of his jet black complexion.
His being jet black does not cast doubt on the purity of his Arab blood. Lisanul-Arab tells us that the majority of the Arabs then and well into the 13th century were of a dark, blackish, chocolate brown complexion (al-udmah) and were black skinned (aswad al-jildah); blackness being considered a proof of pure Arab ancestry. Antara gained attention and respect for himself by his remarkable personal qualities and courage in battle, excelling as an accomplished poet and a mighty warrior. When the tribe needed his assistance to fend off another tribe in battle, Shaddād acknowledged Antara as his son, and granted him freedom.''"
Just afrocentric nonsense from african americans who come vandalize Arab and Ethiopian related articles. Glad it was deleted. Akmal94 ( talk) 17:47, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
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The article gives his name sometimes as Antarah and sometimes as 'Antarah, sometimes as Antar and sometimes as 'Antar. It should be consistent. Of course the Arabic form in the lede should have the apostrophe but in English he is not given the apostrophe so I recommend deleting it, except where his full name is stated (if anywhere else). Opinions? Zaslav ( talk) 04:52, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
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Shouldn't the name of this article be Antara bin Shaddad? Gareth Hughes 14:09, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yes & no, but no is the better answer.
Ibn and bin are almost the same. But bin is common in informal Arabic. In the other side informal Arabic or classic Arabic it is always said as ibn. Through time I guess, people used bin because its easier on the tongue. Alromaithi 06:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
So, we can say as a general, that whenever there are two Proper noun (of persons' names), between them we choose بن "bin". In other cases we write it ابن Ibn.
هارون الرشيد العربي ( talk) 20:52, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
I read Antarah Story over and Over and I never heard of Mufarij Ibn Homam?? is tehre any source of?. Mussav 03:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
He was actually sent to steal the horses of the Persian king as a favor to his Uncle in accordiance with his wish for Antar and Obla's mairage. Also, it was his quality and powers over music which gained him the favor of the Persian King. THe Persian King was so overwhelmed by the Pressence and Mannor of Antar that he granted him thousands of gifts from a convoy of slaves, to millions in gold and silver. He actually died in combat with a famous warrior who used poisened arrows. He died defending his honor and the life of his wife. The source of this information is in fact the hard-back 1944 version of the Romance of Antar. Fascinating read.
Deleting the following unsourced (and some of it repeated) information:
"This foreign Ethiopian origin however is later (racist) speculation, as Arabs frequently enslaved each other as a result of tribal wars. The tribe neglected Antara at first, and he grew up in servitude. Although it was fairly obvious that Shaddad was his father. He was considered one of the "Arab crows" (Al-aghribah Al-'Arab) because of his jet black complexion.
His being jet black does not cast doubt on the purity of his Arab blood. Lisanul-Arab tells us that the majority of the Arabs then and well into the 13th century were of a dark, blackish, chocolate brown complexion (al-udmah) and were black skinned (aswad al-jildah); blackness being considered a proof of pure Arab ancestry. Antara gained attention and respect for himself by his remarkable personal qualities and courage in battle, excelling as an accomplished poet and a mighty warrior. When the tribe needed his assistance to fend off another tribe in battle, Shaddād acknowledged Antara as his son, and granted him freedom.''"
Just afrocentric nonsense from african americans who come vandalize Arab and Ethiopian related articles. Glad it was deleted. Akmal94 ( talk) 17:47, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
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The article gives his name sometimes as Antarah and sometimes as 'Antarah, sometimes as Antar and sometimes as 'Antar. It should be consistent. Of course the Arabic form in the lede should have the apostrophe but in English he is not given the apostrophe so I recommend deleting it, except where his full name is stated (if anywhere else). Opinions? Zaslav ( talk) 04:52, 1 August 2018 (UTC)