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Ansel Adams says in his autobiography that he and Fred Archer created the Zone System in 1940, so this could not be the Frederick Scott Archer previously linked from Fred Archer's name in this entry. The Fred Archer Ansel Adams refers to was a teacher at the Art Center College in Los Angeles, it seems, where Ansel Adams also taught. Everything is a bit confusing, however, since Ansel Adams didn't teach there until 1942.
This article seems to get a lot of vandalism - more even than some featured articles. If you look at the history, its almost all vandalism or tests for quite a long time. Perhaps this article would benefit from being semi protected? -- Ozhiker 09:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added an Adams photograph which is public domain, but not particularly representative of his work. Other Manzar Relocation Centre photographs can be found by going to http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query and searching for Ansel Adams. Some more characteristic National Park photographs are at the end of the list, but these are only shown with a very small thumbnail and a link indicating that they are probably copyright.
A more attractive image of 'The Tetons an Snake River' can be found at http://www.inkjetart.com/2450/48bit/page4.html That photograph was also obtained from the US National Archive from work Adams did for the US Department of the Interior. They make the claim that it is also in the public domain, but I was unable to verify that. If someone else can confirm it, it might be a better image to use. -- Solipsist 12:45, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
How about putting up a picture of the MAN HIMSELF?!!?!?
And why are none of the notable photgraphs shown? Are they all copyrighted? -- 62.216.23.119 12:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
There are at least two common titles given for the image of the Tetons and the Snake River: The Tetons and the Snake River, used elsewhere in WP and by Adams in Ansel Adams: Classic Images and on the Adams web site, and The Tetons — Snake River, used by the National Archives. Since the latter doesn't really make sense, I changed the text and the image caption to the former. JeffConrad 00:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a date of November 31 - should probably read November 1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.24.79 ( talk) 02:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I reverted claims that Adams's Father was more into photography, and that he was born in Eastlakes, both made without comment or explanation. -- Slashme ( talk) 12:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
There is a formatting error in the first paragraph, where the "Edit" option for the sections "Life" and "Childhood" doesn't show properly - they appear in the middle of the first para, at least on my screen. This may be due to the size of the photogrpah of Adams pushing text to the left of the page. I do not know how to correct this. PatrickHadfield ( talk) 17:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
There is no discussion of his relationship with Edwin Land, or the photographs he took using Polaroid materials, some of which are among his best-known. There is no listing of the '70s editions of his technical books, which I believe incorporated revisions and updatings. (Am I going to have to enter these?) WilliamSommerwerck ( talk) 01:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
well, i know who published most of them, The Sierra Club. Im not sure why they arent listed in the bibliography even once. I will add the name unless someone thinks its self evident. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 06:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Should we not post a portrait of Ansel himself somewhere? 70.176.230.110 06:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
this web page gave me perfect information on Ansel Adams, which i needed for a school project. the only thing that i dont like about thit is, that i need sources. i needed to site this page but couldnt. it might make it easier for some students if the source is shown like other web sites, or if there is one, then it'll be better if its easier to find. sorry if this seemed rude, it was not intended to be rude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.237.137 ( talk) 06:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Two things I'm not yet seeing in the article:
I've made a copy of the article on a sandbox page, and have annotated it with questions, comments and criticisms in bold italics. My purpose is to plan improvements to the article. I've also ordered a copy of Alinder's biography. I invite other interested editors to take a look at my critique and comment, or to take steps to improve this article. My critique is here: User:Cullen328/Sandbox Ansel Adams. - Jim Heaphy Cullen328 ( talk) 21:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
In the Ansel Adams peer review, three editors ( User:Doncram, User:Finetooth, and User:Jacobolus) have said that they would like more of Adams' pictures (possibly under a fair use license) or an explanation (a hatnote or similar) that says why these photos are not on Wikipedia. While I'd certainly like to see more of Adams' pictures as well, I believe that User:Finetooth is correct in saying that "copyright law makes that tough for Wikipedia." A solution was proposed, which involved placing a hatnote on the article that explains something like:
However, this seems to violate the No Disclaimers guideline.
Should we put fair use pictures on the page (and try to justify them)? This would possibly jeopardize any upcoming FA nomination, though. Or should we add the hatnote and become a repository of links? I'd be interested to hear the community's thoughts. Respectfully, — Mono· nomic 00:37, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Pete Tillman ( talk) 06:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
The National Archives: Records of the National Park Service: Ansel Adams Photographs
The current description of the making of Moonrise is misleading (and probably incorrect). Although it agrees with Adams’s later descriptions of the process, it is quite at odds with his contemporaneous description that appeared in U.S. Camera annual for 1943; that description is repeated in Reece Vogel’s post at the end of this thread on photo.net (accessed February 25, 2008). I have the same book, and the quotation is accurate. I certainly wasn’t there, but all other things being equal, a contemporaneous description is more likely correct than one written 40 years later. The calculation of the exposure mentioned in the later description also has little validity (that said, Adams’s chapter “The Moon and Moonlight” in the 1952 edition of Natural Light Photography remains a definitive treatment of the subject). One approach would be to mention both the early and late versions, but I don’t know if it is of sufficient importance to merit the additional space. A simpler approach might be to eliminate the description; yet another approach would be to use a note.
The note I added on the dating of Moonrise is long to the point of being distracting, but I’m not sure there is a good alternative. I don’t think the material belongs in the body of the article, but avoiding documentation altogether leads to some ambiguity, especially because the incorrect October 31 date is arguably the one in more common use (e.g., several of Adams’s books published in the early 1980s, and the web site for the Ansel Adams Gallery). JeffConrad ( talk) 21:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hello! I see that you are interested in improving the Ansel Adams article. That's surely a worthy venture. I hope that you are interested in collaborating with other editors toward that goal. I recently added a photo taken of Adams in 1950 by J. Malcolm Greany, because it was indisputably an image without copyright problems, and it showed him in the midst of his career, with his camera. I carefully placed it in the appropriate chronological section of the article. I noticed that you removed the image. Can you please explain why? I would be grateful if you could explain the rationale for your edits on the talk page for the article. Perhaps we can work together to make the article better. I have a personal interest in working on articles about notable Sierra Club directors. I also own an Ansel Adams print of El Capitan, which I purchased at his gallery in Yosemite. So I care. Thanks for caring also. Best wishes to you. - Jim Heaphy Cullen328 ( talk) 04:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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The above discussion began on Mononomic's talk page involving User:Cullen328 and User:Mononomic and the use of File:Ansel Adams and camera.jpg. Both parties agreed to move the discussion here so that the entire Wikipedia community could be involved. Please add new comments below so as to preserve the original discussion. Respectfully, — Mono· nomic 03:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I made one attempt by email to contact the staff at Yosemite. This is a time of year when they are understaffed, and I haven't received a response. I will pursue the matter by telephone if I don't hear from them soon. I may also try to contact Greany's children if I can't get the information from the park, and ask if they consider this photo to be copyrighted. Cullen328 ( talk) 20:53, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
I was reading this article and tried to find either the picture or some discussion of the area defined and there was nothing at all in WP about it. Isn't something like this notable? It's written about in MSM, it's written up in trade magazines... this looks like a moderately notable happening. Is "Autumn Moon" non-PD? Why would mention of this be missing? Padillah ( talk) 17:21, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I've moved all of the remaining references from the notes to the References section. To make for a readable alphbetical list, I've used the publisher as the author where no specific author is given. Some of the dates (e.g., California Museum 2007) are a bit contrived, and for a couple of others, I can't figure out what to use for dates. There are issues with some of the references:
I've included comments before each of these references. JeffConrad ( talk) 08:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I notice that the full entries for newly added references are creeping back into the Notes. Shouldn't the full citations go in the References section like the others, and Notes section just include short footnotes?
JeffConrad (
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00:36, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't think Wikipedia has such a thing as a “standard” reference format.
WP:CITEHOW does require a consistent format, and that the original format be followed. Strictly, the format change a while back should have been discussed first, but since the article now mostly follows that format, I think we should stick with it, as I suggested earlier. As much as practicable, new references should follow the current format at the time they are added; this saves quite a bit of cleanup, as well as the chance for error when doing the cleanup. Of course, WP policy is also that providing a good reference is far more important that the format, so it's much better to provide a source in any reasonable format (preferably, at least with all relevant information) than to avoid providing the source because the formatting seems too daunting.
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03:11, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
There has been a bit of disagreement about where Ansel Adams died. This derives from some sources saying he died near his home in Carmel. It is true he died near his home. It is true his home was in Carmel. However, he did not die in Carmel. He died in the ICU at the Community Hospital of the Monterey Peninsula which is in Monterey not the adjacent city of Carmel. His final hours are described in great detail in Alinder's biography, and the New York Times obituary agrees. Those are, in my opinion, far more reliable sources than Biography.com. Cullen328 ( talk) 05:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I read this article and was hoping to see the Wikipedia article updated regarding this. I suppose we will have to wait for biographers and critics to work those negatives into a narrative that can summarized in Wikipedia?
PureJadeKid ( talk) 18:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Based on this article in the San Francisco Chronicle, I think we'd do well to wait until the dust settles. If we do mention the alleged lost Adams negatives, we need to cover both sides. JeffConrad ( talk) 23:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I added a couple references that I came across while working on the new John Osborne Varian article. I tried to source everything properly, but if I fouled up the citation format or anything, please feel free to correct my errors. I hope the info is worth keeping even if I am being a 'drive-by" contributor." I saw no other references to the influence of Henry Cowell on Adams' musical interests, nor any mention of Portfolio Four, so that's what I added (with some relevant wikilinks). The Hammond book does not seem to be used elsewhere, so I added it as the source for my contributions. I did not add the material from Hammond on Adams' poetry, but he published a little bit, and there is no mention of it in the article, so if anyone thinks it relevant, feel free to let me know if it should be added. I can do so, or someone else can go to Hammond (notably pp. 13-15) and add it. Montanabw (talk) 21:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
I removed the comma from El Capitan, Winter Sunrise, because Examples: the Making of 40 Images also omits it, and I’d probably trust the book over the Web site. The [Ansel Adams Gallery http://www.anseladams.com] also omits the comma. The title makes better grammatical sense without the comma, and the use is consistent with Winter Sunrise, Sierra Nevada, from Lone Pine, California.
I think we should recognize that some of Adams’s works have been variously titled in different publications, so that it’s sometimes probably impossible to determine the “one, true, official” title. When in doubt, I’d suggest using the title most common in Adams’s printed works, perhaps with consideration of what makes the most sense.
I suggest we also use common sense in assessing reliability of any information. For example, though I cited the Ansel Adams Gallery, that Web site still gives October 31, 1941 as the date of Moonrise, which is dead wrong, even though that’s what’s given in Examples. JeffConrad ( talk) 03:13, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Why no mention of Patsy English "the love of his life"? 19/03/12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.70.162.99 ( talk) 05:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Isn't he also known as Anselm not Ansel? 16/9/09
I would really like to see a picture of Ansel Adams. :) Goodralph 12:32, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Why isn't there a picture of Mr. Adams? He is famous for his photos but surely the article should also show what he looks like.
I am having trouble finding any documentation for Adams' supposed advocacy for nuclear fusion. The CCP does not list any fusion photographs or negatives in their archive. Unless someone pipes up I'm going to delete that reference. Will McW 23:56, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I can't find any either. Sure he was an environmentalist, but that doesn't mean he advocated nuclear fusion. So far as I can see, there are no documents to back up this claim and I'd remove the reference until something is found that can accurately support such a statement. — Aurora ( Say hi!)[[]] 14:43, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
Need to mention that he was a regular contributor to Arizona Highways Magazine since 1946
Edit of 5 March 2008 by 70.101.172.8: “... next to his uncles photos Ansel Easton ...” This edit had no comment and seems to make no sense; moreover, I'm unaware that Ansel Easton was ever a photographer. Barring some explanation, I think this edit should be reverted. JeffConrad ( talk) 22:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Is there a need to semi-protect this page? Lately it has been vandalized on a regular basis, and it is getting to be really irritating. Lexaxis7 ( talk) 05:01, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Ansel Adams was many things, a published author, educator, environmentalist, concert pianist, husband, outdoorsman, small business owner, co-founder of the magazine Aperture, recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and, of course, a photographer. As a photographer, Adams also did many things: he co-founded the f/64 group, co-invented the Zone System, experimented with pictorialism, became an accomplished darkroom craftsman, was a portraiturist, consulted the Land Corporation, and experimented with color photography. Many of these accomplishments would establish sufficient notability for a Wiki article. However, Wiki doesn't support having multiple articles on each subject. So to clarify subjects for our readers, many articles contain a short summary statement in the lead paragraph that states what the subject is best known for. These statements are not POV, but are supported by the references within the article itself.
Since January 2006 this article has contained the statement that Adams is best known for his black and white, large-format photos of the American West. User:190.46.98.195 has twice tried to remove this statement claiming that it is a subjective assertion. This statement is not POV, it is a documentable fact noted by photography writers and others, and by the body of this article (for example, the Voyager spacecraft carried one of this photos, and the Ansel Adams Wilderness was in honor of his photography work). The statement is helpful to our readers in that it points their attention toward the most significant parts of the biography and provides context (and a search of Wiki finds more than 50,000 other articles that use this same technique in their lead paragraphs. For these reasons, I have reinstated the "best known" statement. TheMindsEye ( talk) 19:51, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
I added the highest auction price to the 'Death and Legacy' section. But I do not know how to footnote it properly. Can someone more WP savvy than I do so. Here is the source:
http://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news-wires/2010/0623/Ansel-Adams-Yosemite-photo-fetches-722K-in-record-setting-auction — Preceding unsigned comment added by American In Brazil ( talk • contribs) 00:23, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I saw the Fiat Lux exhibit at UC Irvine, sometime in 1989-91. I seem to remember that the photo collection was not published in 1967 or in 1968 (the actual centennial year) but was shelved as dissent swept the campuses. Only when the tour I saw occurred did Nancy Newhall supervise the creation of a companion book.
Also, Verne Stadtman (sp?) did put together a UC centennial history, with an Ansel Adams photo of the UC Berkeley campus on the dust jacket.
Am I close?
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This is a great collection, but not very visible. Can it be combined with the other Ansel Adams photo category on commons? Or somewhere else directly from the article? -- Kaitymh ( talk) 21:10, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
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Ansel Adams says in his autobiography that he and Fred Archer created the Zone System in 1940, so this could not be the Frederick Scott Archer previously linked from Fred Archer's name in this entry. The Fred Archer Ansel Adams refers to was a teacher at the Art Center College in Los Angeles, it seems, where Ansel Adams also taught. Everything is a bit confusing, however, since Ansel Adams didn't teach there until 1942.
This article seems to get a lot of vandalism - more even than some featured articles. If you look at the history, its almost all vandalism or tests for quite a long time. Perhaps this article would benefit from being semi protected? -- Ozhiker 09:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added an Adams photograph which is public domain, but not particularly representative of his work. Other Manzar Relocation Centre photographs can be found by going to http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query and searching for Ansel Adams. Some more characteristic National Park photographs are at the end of the list, but these are only shown with a very small thumbnail and a link indicating that they are probably copyright.
A more attractive image of 'The Tetons an Snake River' can be found at http://www.inkjetart.com/2450/48bit/page4.html That photograph was also obtained from the US National Archive from work Adams did for the US Department of the Interior. They make the claim that it is also in the public domain, but I was unable to verify that. If someone else can confirm it, it might be a better image to use. -- Solipsist 12:45, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
How about putting up a picture of the MAN HIMSELF?!!?!?
And why are none of the notable photgraphs shown? Are they all copyrighted? -- 62.216.23.119 12:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
There are at least two common titles given for the image of the Tetons and the Snake River: The Tetons and the Snake River, used elsewhere in WP and by Adams in Ansel Adams: Classic Images and on the Adams web site, and The Tetons — Snake River, used by the National Archives. Since the latter doesn't really make sense, I changed the text and the image caption to the former. JeffConrad 00:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a date of November 31 - should probably read November 1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.24.79 ( talk) 02:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I reverted claims that Adams's Father was more into photography, and that he was born in Eastlakes, both made without comment or explanation. -- Slashme ( talk) 12:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
There is a formatting error in the first paragraph, where the "Edit" option for the sections "Life" and "Childhood" doesn't show properly - they appear in the middle of the first para, at least on my screen. This may be due to the size of the photogrpah of Adams pushing text to the left of the page. I do not know how to correct this. PatrickHadfield ( talk) 17:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
There is no discussion of his relationship with Edwin Land, or the photographs he took using Polaroid materials, some of which are among his best-known. There is no listing of the '70s editions of his technical books, which I believe incorporated revisions and updatings. (Am I going to have to enter these?) WilliamSommerwerck ( talk) 01:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
well, i know who published most of them, The Sierra Club. Im not sure why they arent listed in the bibliography even once. I will add the name unless someone thinks its self evident. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 06:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Should we not post a portrait of Ansel himself somewhere? 70.176.230.110 06:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
this web page gave me perfect information on Ansel Adams, which i needed for a school project. the only thing that i dont like about thit is, that i need sources. i needed to site this page but couldnt. it might make it easier for some students if the source is shown like other web sites, or if there is one, then it'll be better if its easier to find. sorry if this seemed rude, it was not intended to be rude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.237.137 ( talk) 06:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Two things I'm not yet seeing in the article:
I've made a copy of the article on a sandbox page, and have annotated it with questions, comments and criticisms in bold italics. My purpose is to plan improvements to the article. I've also ordered a copy of Alinder's biography. I invite other interested editors to take a look at my critique and comment, or to take steps to improve this article. My critique is here: User:Cullen328/Sandbox Ansel Adams. - Jim Heaphy Cullen328 ( talk) 21:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
In the Ansel Adams peer review, three editors ( User:Doncram, User:Finetooth, and User:Jacobolus) have said that they would like more of Adams' pictures (possibly under a fair use license) or an explanation (a hatnote or similar) that says why these photos are not on Wikipedia. While I'd certainly like to see more of Adams' pictures as well, I believe that User:Finetooth is correct in saying that "copyright law makes that tough for Wikipedia." A solution was proposed, which involved placing a hatnote on the article that explains something like:
However, this seems to violate the No Disclaimers guideline.
Should we put fair use pictures on the page (and try to justify them)? This would possibly jeopardize any upcoming FA nomination, though. Or should we add the hatnote and become a repository of links? I'd be interested to hear the community's thoughts. Respectfully, — Mono· nomic 00:37, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Pete Tillman ( talk) 06:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
The National Archives: Records of the National Park Service: Ansel Adams Photographs
The current description of the making of Moonrise is misleading (and probably incorrect). Although it agrees with Adams’s later descriptions of the process, it is quite at odds with his contemporaneous description that appeared in U.S. Camera annual for 1943; that description is repeated in Reece Vogel’s post at the end of this thread on photo.net (accessed February 25, 2008). I have the same book, and the quotation is accurate. I certainly wasn’t there, but all other things being equal, a contemporaneous description is more likely correct than one written 40 years later. The calculation of the exposure mentioned in the later description also has little validity (that said, Adams’s chapter “The Moon and Moonlight” in the 1952 edition of Natural Light Photography remains a definitive treatment of the subject). One approach would be to mention both the early and late versions, but I don’t know if it is of sufficient importance to merit the additional space. A simpler approach might be to eliminate the description; yet another approach would be to use a note.
The note I added on the dating of Moonrise is long to the point of being distracting, but I’m not sure there is a good alternative. I don’t think the material belongs in the body of the article, but avoiding documentation altogether leads to some ambiguity, especially because the incorrect October 31 date is arguably the one in more common use (e.g., several of Adams’s books published in the early 1980s, and the web site for the Ansel Adams Gallery). JeffConrad ( talk) 21:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hello! I see that you are interested in improving the Ansel Adams article. That's surely a worthy venture. I hope that you are interested in collaborating with other editors toward that goal. I recently added a photo taken of Adams in 1950 by J. Malcolm Greany, because it was indisputably an image without copyright problems, and it showed him in the midst of his career, with his camera. I carefully placed it in the appropriate chronological section of the article. I noticed that you removed the image. Can you please explain why? I would be grateful if you could explain the rationale for your edits on the talk page for the article. Perhaps we can work together to make the article better. I have a personal interest in working on articles about notable Sierra Club directors. I also own an Ansel Adams print of El Capitan, which I purchased at his gallery in Yosemite. So I care. Thanks for caring also. Best wishes to you. - Jim Heaphy Cullen328 ( talk) 04:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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The above discussion began on Mononomic's talk page involving User:Cullen328 and User:Mononomic and the use of File:Ansel Adams and camera.jpg. Both parties agreed to move the discussion here so that the entire Wikipedia community could be involved. Please add new comments below so as to preserve the original discussion. Respectfully, — Mono· nomic 03:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I made one attempt by email to contact the staff at Yosemite. This is a time of year when they are understaffed, and I haven't received a response. I will pursue the matter by telephone if I don't hear from them soon. I may also try to contact Greany's children if I can't get the information from the park, and ask if they consider this photo to be copyrighted. Cullen328 ( talk) 20:53, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
I was reading this article and tried to find either the picture or some discussion of the area defined and there was nothing at all in WP about it. Isn't something like this notable? It's written about in MSM, it's written up in trade magazines... this looks like a moderately notable happening. Is "Autumn Moon" non-PD? Why would mention of this be missing? Padillah ( talk) 17:21, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I've moved all of the remaining references from the notes to the References section. To make for a readable alphbetical list, I've used the publisher as the author where no specific author is given. Some of the dates (e.g., California Museum 2007) are a bit contrived, and for a couple of others, I can't figure out what to use for dates. There are issues with some of the references:
I've included comments before each of these references. JeffConrad ( talk) 08:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I notice that the full entries for newly added references are creeping back into the Notes. Shouldn't the full citations go in the References section like the others, and Notes section just include short footnotes?
JeffConrad (
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00:36, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't think Wikipedia has such a thing as a “standard” reference format.
WP:CITEHOW does require a consistent format, and that the original format be followed. Strictly, the format change a while back should have been discussed first, but since the article now mostly follows that format, I think we should stick with it, as I suggested earlier. As much as practicable, new references should follow the current format at the time they are added; this saves quite a bit of cleanup, as well as the chance for error when doing the cleanup. Of course, WP policy is also that providing a good reference is far more important that the format, so it's much better to provide a source in any reasonable format (preferably, at least with all relevant information) than to avoid providing the source because the formatting seems too daunting.
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03:11, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
There has been a bit of disagreement about where Ansel Adams died. This derives from some sources saying he died near his home in Carmel. It is true he died near his home. It is true his home was in Carmel. However, he did not die in Carmel. He died in the ICU at the Community Hospital of the Monterey Peninsula which is in Monterey not the adjacent city of Carmel. His final hours are described in great detail in Alinder's biography, and the New York Times obituary agrees. Those are, in my opinion, far more reliable sources than Biography.com. Cullen328 ( talk) 05:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I read this article and was hoping to see the Wikipedia article updated regarding this. I suppose we will have to wait for biographers and critics to work those negatives into a narrative that can summarized in Wikipedia?
PureJadeKid ( talk) 18:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Based on this article in the San Francisco Chronicle, I think we'd do well to wait until the dust settles. If we do mention the alleged lost Adams negatives, we need to cover both sides. JeffConrad ( talk) 23:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I added a couple references that I came across while working on the new John Osborne Varian article. I tried to source everything properly, but if I fouled up the citation format or anything, please feel free to correct my errors. I hope the info is worth keeping even if I am being a 'drive-by" contributor." I saw no other references to the influence of Henry Cowell on Adams' musical interests, nor any mention of Portfolio Four, so that's what I added (with some relevant wikilinks). The Hammond book does not seem to be used elsewhere, so I added it as the source for my contributions. I did not add the material from Hammond on Adams' poetry, but he published a little bit, and there is no mention of it in the article, so if anyone thinks it relevant, feel free to let me know if it should be added. I can do so, or someone else can go to Hammond (notably pp. 13-15) and add it. Montanabw (talk) 21:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
I removed the comma from El Capitan, Winter Sunrise, because Examples: the Making of 40 Images also omits it, and I’d probably trust the book over the Web site. The [Ansel Adams Gallery http://www.anseladams.com] also omits the comma. The title makes better grammatical sense without the comma, and the use is consistent with Winter Sunrise, Sierra Nevada, from Lone Pine, California.
I think we should recognize that some of Adams’s works have been variously titled in different publications, so that it’s sometimes probably impossible to determine the “one, true, official” title. When in doubt, I’d suggest using the title most common in Adams’s printed works, perhaps with consideration of what makes the most sense.
I suggest we also use common sense in assessing reliability of any information. For example, though I cited the Ansel Adams Gallery, that Web site still gives October 31, 1941 as the date of Moonrise, which is dead wrong, even though that’s what’s given in Examples. JeffConrad ( talk) 03:13, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Why no mention of Patsy English "the love of his life"? 19/03/12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.70.162.99 ( talk) 05:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Isn't he also known as Anselm not Ansel? 16/9/09
I would really like to see a picture of Ansel Adams. :) Goodralph 12:32, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Why isn't there a picture of Mr. Adams? He is famous for his photos but surely the article should also show what he looks like.
I am having trouble finding any documentation for Adams' supposed advocacy for nuclear fusion. The CCP does not list any fusion photographs or negatives in their archive. Unless someone pipes up I'm going to delete that reference. Will McW 23:56, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I can't find any either. Sure he was an environmentalist, but that doesn't mean he advocated nuclear fusion. So far as I can see, there are no documents to back up this claim and I'd remove the reference until something is found that can accurately support such a statement. — Aurora ( Say hi!)[[]] 14:43, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
Need to mention that he was a regular contributor to Arizona Highways Magazine since 1946
Edit of 5 March 2008 by 70.101.172.8: “... next to his uncles photos Ansel Easton ...” This edit had no comment and seems to make no sense; moreover, I'm unaware that Ansel Easton was ever a photographer. Barring some explanation, I think this edit should be reverted. JeffConrad ( talk) 22:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Is there a need to semi-protect this page? Lately it has been vandalized on a regular basis, and it is getting to be really irritating. Lexaxis7 ( talk) 05:01, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Ansel Adams was many things, a published author, educator, environmentalist, concert pianist, husband, outdoorsman, small business owner, co-founder of the magazine Aperture, recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and, of course, a photographer. As a photographer, Adams also did many things: he co-founded the f/64 group, co-invented the Zone System, experimented with pictorialism, became an accomplished darkroom craftsman, was a portraiturist, consulted the Land Corporation, and experimented with color photography. Many of these accomplishments would establish sufficient notability for a Wiki article. However, Wiki doesn't support having multiple articles on each subject. So to clarify subjects for our readers, many articles contain a short summary statement in the lead paragraph that states what the subject is best known for. These statements are not POV, but are supported by the references within the article itself.
Since January 2006 this article has contained the statement that Adams is best known for his black and white, large-format photos of the American West. User:190.46.98.195 has twice tried to remove this statement claiming that it is a subjective assertion. This statement is not POV, it is a documentable fact noted by photography writers and others, and by the body of this article (for example, the Voyager spacecraft carried one of this photos, and the Ansel Adams Wilderness was in honor of his photography work). The statement is helpful to our readers in that it points their attention toward the most significant parts of the biography and provides context (and a search of Wiki finds more than 50,000 other articles that use this same technique in their lead paragraphs. For these reasons, I have reinstated the "best known" statement. TheMindsEye ( talk) 19:51, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
I added the highest auction price to the 'Death and Legacy' section. But I do not know how to footnote it properly. Can someone more WP savvy than I do so. Here is the source:
http://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news-wires/2010/0623/Ansel-Adams-Yosemite-photo-fetches-722K-in-record-setting-auction — Preceding unsigned comment added by American In Brazil ( talk • contribs) 00:23, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I saw the Fiat Lux exhibit at UC Irvine, sometime in 1989-91. I seem to remember that the photo collection was not published in 1967 or in 1968 (the actual centennial year) but was shelved as dissent swept the campuses. Only when the tour I saw occurred did Nancy Newhall supervise the creation of a companion book.
Also, Verne Stadtman (sp?) did put together a UC centennial history, with an Ansel Adams photo of the UC Berkeley campus on the dust jacket.
Am I close?
Category:2011 Ansel Adams donation from U.S. National Archives
This is a great collection, but not very visible. Can it be combined with the other Ansel Adams photo category on commons? Or somewhere else directly from the article? -- Kaitymh ( talk) 21:10, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
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