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Thanks Wik. Stargoat 03:32, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Why was there a name change, without consulting the community at all, on this article? If the person who did this changing were to look at Annette Lu's personal website, he would discover that she does not use an umlaut when spelling her own name. Why is it necessary to add an umlaut then? Are we going to start with all Chinese who have names in different tones? Are we going start on Lucy Liü next?
(I mean, she's cool enough to have an umlaut, like Motörhead or something, but come on.)
Change it back. Stargoat 12:22, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Ok, sorry for this move. But there's a reason for this.
As a surname, LU is pronounced differently from Lü. LU rhymes with "shoe", "do", "who" etc, but this is not explicitly how this surname is pronounced. Her surname is pronounced as Lü, this is how it is reflected in pinyin (see her pinyin transliteration). There is no equivalent in English, hence the umlaut. (Know French? Pronounce as a French 'u' [1] or as German ü)
With Lucy Liu, there is no difficulty, it's always pronounced as a Liu. But there IS a LU (as in Lu Xun) and a Lü difference in (this is not a tonal difference) Chinese, and in English, the surname Lu and Lü are not just different surnames but pronounced differently. Writing her name as LU could easily mean a mispronounciation.
I'm not kidding you. Go check this out.
I didn't bother to consult because I didn't thought it was this controversial. Mandel 09:00, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)
Pinyin seems to compose the letters leading to the closer Mandarin pronounciation for cases such as Kuomintang v Guomindang. As a Mandarin speaker, I don't see how this is not the case. I also don't see how politics jumped into this. No one is accusing anyone else of being a communist or communist sympathizer/propagandist. My mention of Kuomintang/Guomindang is to show that article titles are not meant to represent the actual prnounciation in the best possible way. In wikipedia, we list articles in their most common names in English. Oftentimes, the bastardized romanization (no tones or ulumats) is more common over the pure romanization ( so no, the English form isnt automatically romanization; it could also be translation, or in this case English name with bastard romanized surname). Adhereing to certain notations is not part of our criteria for naming articles - it has to do with whether everyone else does too. --Jiang
To the anon:
I apologize if I sounded as if I were doubting you. Howeve, the reason why I think this section does not belong is not because Li Ao didn't make the allegation (he clearly did); it's that in an encyclopedia article, I don't think we can/should incorporate every single wacky theory that is not backed up by evidence. Li claimed to have documents from the CIA showing his allegations, but those documents were later discredited (some shown as forgeries, and some shown to have been misread by Li). If we include every single theory that Li Ao puts forth in Wikipedia articles, the articles would be unreadable. -- Nlu ( talk) 21:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
It is not about including EVERY SINGLE THEORY.... but just this one by Li Ao. And <i do dnot want to see all of Li Aos comments in all articles. (This is you speculation).
In the article we find: "The Pan-Blue Coalition suggested that the shooting was not an assassination attempt but that it was staged to gain sympathy votes (see March 19, 2004 assassination attempt in Taiwan). " Why leaving this sepculation while erasing Li Aos?
And - if you follow the media - you will find that the Li Aos theory gets more suport in these days. Even Mme Lü Xiulian herself wanted the 319- case newly investigated - which is against the opinion of most of the DPP-followers. BTW, I am NOT anonymous, but I am accustum,ed to the fact that contributers without a NAME are treated like second class people. So, please put my comments back. (Erasing is easier than writing, I know.) 80.218.242.250 21:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Pls follow up the actal media reports. Even Mme Lü herself backs now the demand of re-investigatiing the case in the light of the new findings of the CIA. 80.218.240.81 11:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Post these new findings and cite them please? Its been well regarded that the 319 shooting case is set. Even Dr Lee, whom admits he is pro KMT political wise, has said the assassination attempt was likely not planned but done on whim. The CIA has not given any official statements on this incident either. -- 24.193.80.232 ( talk) 11:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
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The section on her corruption charges is more like a list of people also charged. I think it should contain more details specific to her corruption case, such as the current status of her case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.217.108.204 ( talk) 02:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks Wik. Stargoat 03:32, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Why was there a name change, without consulting the community at all, on this article? If the person who did this changing were to look at Annette Lu's personal website, he would discover that she does not use an umlaut when spelling her own name. Why is it necessary to add an umlaut then? Are we going to start with all Chinese who have names in different tones? Are we going start on Lucy Liü next?
(I mean, she's cool enough to have an umlaut, like Motörhead or something, but come on.)
Change it back. Stargoat 12:22, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Ok, sorry for this move. But there's a reason for this.
As a surname, LU is pronounced differently from Lü. LU rhymes with "shoe", "do", "who" etc, but this is not explicitly how this surname is pronounced. Her surname is pronounced as Lü, this is how it is reflected in pinyin (see her pinyin transliteration). There is no equivalent in English, hence the umlaut. (Know French? Pronounce as a French 'u' [1] or as German ü)
With Lucy Liu, there is no difficulty, it's always pronounced as a Liu. But there IS a LU (as in Lu Xun) and a Lü difference in (this is not a tonal difference) Chinese, and in English, the surname Lu and Lü are not just different surnames but pronounced differently. Writing her name as LU could easily mean a mispronounciation.
I'm not kidding you. Go check this out.
I didn't bother to consult because I didn't thought it was this controversial. Mandel 09:00, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)
Pinyin seems to compose the letters leading to the closer Mandarin pronounciation for cases such as Kuomintang v Guomindang. As a Mandarin speaker, I don't see how this is not the case. I also don't see how politics jumped into this. No one is accusing anyone else of being a communist or communist sympathizer/propagandist. My mention of Kuomintang/Guomindang is to show that article titles are not meant to represent the actual prnounciation in the best possible way. In wikipedia, we list articles in their most common names in English. Oftentimes, the bastardized romanization (no tones or ulumats) is more common over the pure romanization ( so no, the English form isnt automatically romanization; it could also be translation, or in this case English name with bastard romanized surname). Adhereing to certain notations is not part of our criteria for naming articles - it has to do with whether everyone else does too. --Jiang
To the anon:
I apologize if I sounded as if I were doubting you. Howeve, the reason why I think this section does not belong is not because Li Ao didn't make the allegation (he clearly did); it's that in an encyclopedia article, I don't think we can/should incorporate every single wacky theory that is not backed up by evidence. Li claimed to have documents from the CIA showing his allegations, but those documents were later discredited (some shown as forgeries, and some shown to have been misread by Li). If we include every single theory that Li Ao puts forth in Wikipedia articles, the articles would be unreadable. -- Nlu ( talk) 21:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
It is not about including EVERY SINGLE THEORY.... but just this one by Li Ao. And <i do dnot want to see all of Li Aos comments in all articles. (This is you speculation).
In the article we find: "The Pan-Blue Coalition suggested that the shooting was not an assassination attempt but that it was staged to gain sympathy votes (see March 19, 2004 assassination attempt in Taiwan). " Why leaving this sepculation while erasing Li Aos?
And - if you follow the media - you will find that the Li Aos theory gets more suport in these days. Even Mme Lü Xiulian herself wanted the 319- case newly investigated - which is against the opinion of most of the DPP-followers. BTW, I am NOT anonymous, but I am accustum,ed to the fact that contributers without a NAME are treated like second class people. So, please put my comments back. (Erasing is easier than writing, I know.) 80.218.242.250 21:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Pls follow up the actal media reports. Even Mme Lü herself backs now the demand of re-investigatiing the case in the light of the new findings of the CIA. 80.218.240.81 11:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Post these new findings and cite them please? Its been well regarded that the 319 shooting case is set. Even Dr Lee, whom admits he is pro KMT political wise, has said the assassination attempt was likely not planned but done on whim. The CIA has not given any official statements on this incident either. -- 24.193.80.232 ( talk) 11:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
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The section on her corruption charges is more like a list of people also charged. I think it should contain more details specific to her corruption case, such as the current status of her case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.217.108.204 ( talk) 02:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
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