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I removed the link to "Red Star" as it had nothing to do with the "Red Star" described in her stories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.69.4.20 ( talk) 23:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I understand/appreciate the desire to have an up-to-date photo. However, I feel that a candid, particularly one which seems to emphasize age and frailty (and perhaps confusion or discomfort?) is less respectful than so prolific and (at least at times) so entertaining a writer deserves. Might it not be possible to obtain a different one? One that's fairly recent, but not quite so intrusive-feeling? Surely her agent would be glad to oblige? 09:08, 29 Jan 2006 tygerbryght
I think this needs another update. Since she has passed, I wish to believe that it is more respectful to use a younger picture of her. Those here are really saddening considering what a successful career she had. I found one:
https://mbalit.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Anne-McCaffrey-1-740x740_center_top.jpg
Does anyone know how to upload another photo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KFlann34 ( talk • contribs) 17:55, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
I am uploading the photo used in several of her obituaries, particularly Time ( https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2101745_2102136_2102341,00.html) and used by her agent ( https://mbalit.co.uk/client/anne-and-todd-mccaffrey/). This photo was used in at least one of her books and features her holding one of her Maine Coon cats. I don't have a date on it, but it is probably the best photo of Anne available and as it was used with her obituary, it is the most appropriate photos to represent her on this page. Yotsuya48 ( talk) 16:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
In your initial entry for Anne McCaffrey, you included the title
I've looked in Contemporary Authors, Books in Print, Amazon.com and her own website, and this book is not in any of these sources. Where'd you invent this from? Hope you don't mind if I delete it. (I hate it when I accidently invent cool book titles. They're *so* hard to find in the library!!)
This isn't listed 3/4 above so neither standard booklists nor the author considers this a book, but collectors and other rabid fans might, so it should at least be listed here. (This moved from respective user talk pages.) I'd very much like to know the history of this, i.e., was it included in a subsequent published book? -- ssd 01:37, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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A lot of her novels originated in her old short stories. For example, this page lists how Dragonflight, The Rowan, and Damia are all derived from short stories. Additionally, there are a number of short stories in the Dragonriders of Pern series that I don't see in that list (such as The Littlest Dragonrider, or a similar title, with K'van as the protagonist, and The Girl Who Heard Dragons, which is listed as a novel but I thought was a short story/novella). I'd like to see more discussion of this trend of hers, but I don't feel I've read them recently enough to be knowledgeable.
Additionally, is Get Off the Unicorn part of the Dragonriders series? I thought it was a collection of random short stories, perhaps with one or two in the Pern universe, but some others set elsewhere.
-- zandperl 01:46, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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While going through the List of fantasy authors, I've found a few that did not write fantasy and only wrote Science fiction. Then I come here and read carefully, and it does not even mention Science fiction.
As far as I know, Anne McCaffrey writes (with the exception of the Romances), Science fiction only. Of particular note is that the Dragonriders of Pern series is definately science fiction, although with a few strange twists that might confuse people into thinking it is fantasy. (The dragons are actually genetically engineered, and except for the actual teleportation and ESP which are not explained, everything else in that series is very hard science fiction.) -- ssd 23:04, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The line between fantasy and SF is pretty blurry. The difference is mainly the explanation, since the result is identical. ie
*Dragons breathe fire (long explanation involving chemical breakdown) *Dragons breathe fire (long explanation involving drawing mana from the aether)
Many bookstores classify her stuff as fantasy, probably due to the setting. Other bookstores have given up keeping them separate and just call it Science Fiction/Fantasy. That's pretty much my view too - Just lump em all together and read the ones you like. The Steve 06:08, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)
This is being argued again. Most of her work is fuzzy, but generally you invoke a long explanation involving chemical breakdown, your "magic" is in the form of psionics, and you have spaceships from Earth and computers, it gets accepted as science fiction. The Ship Who Sang, the Crystal Singer, the Dinosaur Planet, Doona, and the Freedom Series are all pretty classic science fiction. The Talents series has a lot more major psionics then most science fiction, but again, if you call your magic psionics, and set it in the 30th century with space ships, it's science fiction.-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 14:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Star Wars calls its magic the Force, is set in a futuristic setting with superluminal travel and space ships, but nobody calls it science fiction. If it has magic (which includes psionics) and space ships, it's science fantasy. 2601:40D:4300:ECE0:4F8:DA27:F723:3B44 ( talk) 05:12, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
This will make it easier to refer to collaborators, and indeed refer to these series from those collaborators. If no-one objects, I'll get to it. -- Phil | Talk 14:03, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)
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These books are set in the same world, so it makes sense to list them together. Can anyone think of something to call them, other than "those books that have body heirs in them"? Is there something official I don't know about, maybe?
For lack of a useful header, I suppose one could always stick a note next to Nimisha, but it would be so much neater to do treat them like other connected books.
- Salli 01:44, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The two books occur in the same general region, which has a name (but I can't remember it). Also, I think there are several characters that overlap, like the great grand-daughter in one is the grandmother in the other or something. -- ssd 15:27, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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I'm slowly adding ISBNs for the books. If anyone else is currently active on this article and wants to participate, feel free -- but it would be wise to write down ISBNs in a separate file, then make one fast edit, rather than start an edit and search for ISBNs, lest our edits clash with each other. -- David.alex.lamb 17:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
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This article belongs to Category:People opposed to fan fiction, but this page shows that it is not true. I suggest removing the page from the category. Ifyr 16:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
This is an impressive list. Anyone care to state how many novels she wrote to date?-- SidiLemine 11:54, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion, the following articles need to be renamed...
Has Anne McCaffrey ever named "The Ship" series? I think of it as "The Brainship series". - LA @ 19:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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The topic of Anne McCaffrey’s legal action against fans for producing works about her Pern series certainly seems like it would be relevant. While she repealed the all-out ban on producing derivative works in 2004 on her website, she still sued earlier, and, according to a cease and desist letter penned by her attorney, settled several cases for monetary compensation "in the middle and low six figures". I agree with the assertion above that she shouldn't be on the "people opposing fan fiction" category anymore, but I think that her previous opposition certainly merits mention (it only shows up in the Dragonriders of Pern article). — Joshua ( talk) 23:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
In the introduction to Dragonsblood by her son Todd McCaffrey, Ms McCaffrey (p.x) says:
In the introduction to the book The Girl Who Heard Dragons (15 short stories published as a collection in 1994), Ms McCaffrey (p18) says:
Perhaps these quotes give some insight into her attitude about people distorting "her" world. Gubernatoria ( talk) 15:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
The article several times lists her nationality as American, but gives no cite nor explains it in the body of the article. As a resident for 38 years, she may or may not have Irish citizenship, may or may not have renounced her American citizenship, may or may not consider herself American, and may or may not consider herself Irish. Place of birth and citizenship at birth are not the be-all and end-all of nationality.-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 03:05, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
This whole section is unreferenced, and while I think much of it is interesting, it is also entirely Original Research. I would suggest that unless sources are found then it is deleted. DJ Clayworth ( talk) 16:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Apparently Anne McCaffrey was born aged 83 !! That's so utterly utterly hilarious, I hope no-one has the urge to edit it out, as it will cause most visitors to chuckle out loud, as I did. (Not only was it an unbelievably corny thing to include, did the person who put it in really not work out that - even without the unintentional comedy of it - the age would have to be re-calculated and updated each year??) 88.105.168.228 ( talk) 16:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
That explains why I have never seen a photo of her as a young woman. --- Dagme ( talk) 10:17, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Giving both date of birth and current age is usual practice in scientific circles, including medical, as well as in biographical research. Gubernatoria ( talk) 23:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Why does this page not list the Barque Cats series? Is it because Ms. McCaffrey is a co-author? Macduff ( talk)
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Someone may want to correct the "Writing period" [Period] entry in the info box, which currently states "1968-Present"
The short story "The Ship Who Sang" was published in 1961, this information is even listed within this article.
Sorry about not updating this myself Kid Bugs ( talk) 01:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
The article should give some attention to classification of McCaffrey as an author of "children's" or "juvenile" fiction. Probably by someone from the Children's literature project. -- P64 ( talk) 16:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
This week, already begun, I intend to rewrite the biography by reference to Dragonholder by Todd McCaffrey. Maybe using no other references, maybe ending before the Books section.
That should be enough to get Anne a "C" from some of these WikiProjects. -- P64 ( talk) 15:13, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
The List of Books or publications incorporated in this article was questioned already seven years ago, Talk:Anne McCaffrey#Split series off into separate articles. The list is now much longer, very long indeed. There is much duplication with two other pages.
Another approach may be commendable.
-- P64 ( talk) 20:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I think we really need to split the list of books into a separate List of works by Anne McCaffrey or whatever. This will be one of the first comments that would cause the article to fail a Good Article review. We can retain the current section here for Books with subsections for Classification and each series, with leadouts to the various main articles and lists. We can then concentrate on adding quality text to those sections, while also maintaining a high quality list (requirements for articles and lists are different: articles are mostly supposed to avoid list format for example). -- Mirokado ( talk) 15:20, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
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User:Knytshall has added this to the preface of subsection Books:Doona (no direct link is possible, afaik).
Decision at Doona (1969) is clearly set after an important event in human history, "Amalgamation". There are multiple allusions to that Terran(?) solution to interracial conflict, iiuc. Perhaps this supports K's point.
I have wondered what to do about the so-called FSP universe. For one, the ISF DataBase uses "universe" for some more narrowly defined series, and we do so here now with the "Crystal Singer universe" subsection heading. Second, to me this observation by Knytshall places the Doona series in the FSP universe, which means all fiction whose setting is linked to the FSP: set before, outside, or after the FSP. Do others agree?
Anyway, FSP universe covers a lot and isn't very important. ISFDB doesn't recognize any FSP mega-group within McCaffrey's fiction. I doubt that it should be a section of the list of books. If it's more important than I think, it should probably have a "main article".-- P64 ( talk) 19:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
3.2 The Talents universe (I have read To Ride Pegasus, would need to review it) 3.3 Doona, corrected by Knytshall (I agree) 3.4 Petaybee universe 3.5 The Freedom series 3.6 The Barque Cat Series 3.7 Acorna universe
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I have removed two refs from the list item Dragonrider. Inline refs are supposed to support the content. These two are not needed for that. They provide extra, background information which should either be in the article or a note if included at all. The second reference with "... seems ... seems ..." is clearly original research and needs to be rewritten to say what the sources say not what an editor thinks. There could be a note or para somewhere discussing the evolution of the collaboration between Anne and Todd, for example. Here are the two removed refs. [1] [2]
-- Mirokado ( talk) 22:55, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I have added Citation needed to the statement "Confirmed 2011-10-09" in a Dragonrider ref. There is no reference dated 2011-10-09 so this new confirmation of the proposed titles is unsourced. Since while trying to find this confirmation I checked the citation already in that reference I added the missing |accessdate= to it. Having done that I realise that editors may be putting Confirmed outside the citation definitions instead of using |accessdate. Please use the |accessdate parameter properly if using Cite * templates. I will wait a while for active editors to tidy the accessdates up as necessary. In the absence of such action or a response here I will tidy the article up myself. -- Mirokado ( talk) 23:05, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
|postscript=. Another sentence.
parameter so the additional details are within the related citation definition.{{
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template and friends generate a Bloggs 1897, p. 42 ref which links to the corresponding citation. If you look at
Wheelchair trainer you will see that I am having fun linking references and citations in various ways (still not finished) ...I now notice several places where questions etc which belong on the talk page have been placed in the article, notes or references. I will remove these and add them below. The article can only contain properly sourced material, not ongoing discussions between editors. -- Mirokado ( talk) 23:09, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Of course the material can be moved back to the article once it is properly written and sourced. -- Mirokado ( talk) 23:09, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Library catalogs are reliable sources for their own classifications (and for others such as Dewey or LOC numbers). Their classifications of particular books as Children's, as Science Fiction, etc, could be used to support that libraries disagree. As I understand it, the text probably, or perhaps a note, but not a reference, would state that libraries disagree. References to catalogs would support a statement in the text. A note would need to include its own source data because <ref>
cannot be nested. --
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-- Mirokado ( talk) 00:38, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Just a warning, not all catalogs are good sources, I find plenty of errors (misspellings, dates etc) in bibliotektjänst´s catalog entries. They correct most after a few requests, but some irritating errors remain. Example: Cataloging "Rudolf Diesel : hans liv och verk /Eugen Diesel!" as tecnology. There are at most 50 pages of tecnology in it, about 100 pages of economy and a few hundred biography (Rudolf and family) (by his son). Seniorsag ( talk) 15:06, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
I have moved this to be a subsection of books. It was given undue weight as the first section after the lead. The article should have information about McCaffrey and her career first, details of the books later in the books section.
I also created a subsection for Restoree, as this book was a getting a bit lost as the only one without a subsection. -- Mirokado ( talk) 00:45, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I've added a reference for the Locus list.
Looking at the Pringle ref:
<ref>''Modern Fantasy'', 20. ''Science Fiction'', 17. Pringle does not rank any of McCaffrey's works among the "hundred best" recent English-language science fiction novels or fantasy novels. He concedes a blind spot regarding planetary romance. David Pringle, ''[[Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels]], An English-language selection, 1949–1984'', London: Xanadu Publ, 1985. David Pringle, ''[[Modern Fantasy: The 100 Best Novels]], An English-language selection, 1946–1987'', London: Grafton Books, 1988.</ref>
am I correct in interpreting "20" and "17" as page numbers in the Fantasy and Fiction books of the respective quotes in the article text?
[...] If so I can recast this so it would be (I hope) a bit clearer. Can you provide the book and page number for his "conceding a blind spot"? -- Mirokado ( talk) 22:35, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I have updated the reference dealing with Pringle's lists, as discussed above. In order to do that I have found it necessary to change the style and implementation of some references and citations. Wikipedia guidelines make it clear that such changes should only be made with consensus. I hope other editors will agree that these changes are an improvement. I have made more-or-less-minimal changes to support the updated content and in the absence of objections I will make the corresponding changes elsewhere so the article is consistent:
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If I have to change anything for other reasons in the next few days, I will also modify as described here, but I can make further changes as necessary depending on any responses to this post. -- Mirokado ( talk) 20:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
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; the template {Refn}; the repeat use of "Citations" listed within section References; etc).Thanks to User:Mirokado for much thoughtful attention to the article and careful comment here this week. Cascading indentation is not adequate to distinguish respondents, when there is much use of block quotation, bulleted or numbered lists, etc. —at least, I find that confusing. Rather than indent more deeply, I have gone back to all my replies (some new this hour) and inserted the bold prefix P64:. This will be useful and perhaps adequate if the current pattern continues (long formatted contributions by M, some replies by me, and nothing yet from anyone else).
Feel free to delete this section if this is a bad idea or a better one is easy to implement. -- P64 ( talk) 23:49, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
(I apologize for belated notice.) On visits to some public library branches I have compiled notes on the Dedications and Acknowledgments in many of the Pern books and some others.
This month I have worked a lot on articles related to this biography. I will begin to get back to AIM herself this weekend, after the world championships conclude. -- P64 ( talk) 21:50, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
User:EmpathicCelt has just now restored there some wording from the capsule biography that appears in some AIM books (endpapers, dust jacket, or back cover?). If we do use this wording it needs to be credited. For the record, beside possible undue emphasis in the lead paragraph, I had doubts about this because it doesn't fit the Dragonholder account of their/her house purchase in 1976 or so, and subsequent move into Dragonhold. On the web I have seen some remarks about her current home, and some photos, which also do not fit the Dragonholder account. The truth may be more than one home called Dragonhold; thirty years in County Wicklow; some shorter time in the famous "home of her own design". -- P64 ( talk) 22:05, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
The article has had {{
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since some time in July. Currently article with infobox has a mixture of dmy (International) and mdy (American) with the references using at least predominantly iso format.
MOS:DATE says that the dates used in the article and for publication dates in references should be consistent and either dmy or mdy. Access dates and archive dates in references should either be consistent with the article or in iso format. I will make the article MOS conformant: the international format is what is already specified by use dmy dates and seems reasonable for an author translated into many languages resident in Ireland. For this make-it-consistent exercise I would also make all the access and archive dates iso format. At the same time I will tidy up any remaining usages of "confirmed" or similar in references, standardising on "Retrieved (date)". Any comments before I do this? --
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This information is reliable, Sharon Lee is an author who was friends with Ms. McCaffrey. One of us can update the link when there is an official obituary. Zola ( talk) 22:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC) Updated link to Random House now that they have confirmed her death on their blog Zola ( talk) 23:58, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
The image used on this article is still pretty awful (as users were commenting higher up on this talk page back in 2006). I understand why it was used if it was the only free image we had, but it seems to me to do a disservice to its subject. Now that she's dead, and a better free image couldn't be obtained, would it be permissible to replace it with a better, non-free image? Or have I misunderstood how our image policy works? Robofish ( talk) 23:29, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Early in the article, the words "DuPont transferred the family temporarily to Düsseldorf, Germany" appear with no context or previous mention of the name "DuPont". There is no previous indication of who or what DuPont is. Please fix this. --- Dagme ( talk) 10:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
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In the {{ infobox writer}} we now say "Nationality: Irish (naturalized citizen)". Do we know when she became a citizen? have a source?
Template {{ Use Irish English}} is the first line of code since February 2013. Do we have an editor who knows Irish English reliably? At Hiberno-English#Spelling we say " British English spelling is used throughout the island." The linked article does not cover spelling. I am generally at a loss re Oxford spelling, certainly including when it should be used at EN.wikipedia. Anyway, which British spelling is Irish?
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I am confused as to why this has it's own wiki category at all. In the Dragon riders series they figured out that "Dinosaur planet (a.k.a Ireta) is also the planet they call Pern. They are all part of one series. Kamon420 ( talk) 11:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
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I removed the link to "Red Star" as it had nothing to do with the "Red Star" described in her stories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.69.4.20 ( talk) 23:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I understand/appreciate the desire to have an up-to-date photo. However, I feel that a candid, particularly one which seems to emphasize age and frailty (and perhaps confusion or discomfort?) is less respectful than so prolific and (at least at times) so entertaining a writer deserves. Might it not be possible to obtain a different one? One that's fairly recent, but not quite so intrusive-feeling? Surely her agent would be glad to oblige? 09:08, 29 Jan 2006 tygerbryght
I think this needs another update. Since she has passed, I wish to believe that it is more respectful to use a younger picture of her. Those here are really saddening considering what a successful career she had. I found one:
https://mbalit.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Anne-McCaffrey-1-740x740_center_top.jpg
Does anyone know how to upload another photo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KFlann34 ( talk • contribs) 17:55, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
I am uploading the photo used in several of her obituaries, particularly Time ( https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2101745_2102136_2102341,00.html) and used by her agent ( https://mbalit.co.uk/client/anne-and-todd-mccaffrey/). This photo was used in at least one of her books and features her holding one of her Maine Coon cats. I don't have a date on it, but it is probably the best photo of Anne available and as it was used with her obituary, it is the most appropriate photos to represent her on this page. Yotsuya48 ( talk) 16:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
In your initial entry for Anne McCaffrey, you included the title
I've looked in Contemporary Authors, Books in Print, Amazon.com and her own website, and this book is not in any of these sources. Where'd you invent this from? Hope you don't mind if I delete it. (I hate it when I accidently invent cool book titles. They're *so* hard to find in the library!!)
This isn't listed 3/4 above so neither standard booklists nor the author considers this a book, but collectors and other rabid fans might, so it should at least be listed here. (This moved from respective user talk pages.) I'd very much like to know the history of this, i.e., was it included in a subsequent published book? -- ssd 01:37, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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A lot of her novels originated in her old short stories. For example, this page lists how Dragonflight, The Rowan, and Damia are all derived from short stories. Additionally, there are a number of short stories in the Dragonriders of Pern series that I don't see in that list (such as The Littlest Dragonrider, or a similar title, with K'van as the protagonist, and The Girl Who Heard Dragons, which is listed as a novel but I thought was a short story/novella). I'd like to see more discussion of this trend of hers, but I don't feel I've read them recently enough to be knowledgeable.
Additionally, is Get Off the Unicorn part of the Dragonriders series? I thought it was a collection of random short stories, perhaps with one or two in the Pern universe, but some others set elsewhere.
-- zandperl 01:46, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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While going through the List of fantasy authors, I've found a few that did not write fantasy and only wrote Science fiction. Then I come here and read carefully, and it does not even mention Science fiction.
As far as I know, Anne McCaffrey writes (with the exception of the Romances), Science fiction only. Of particular note is that the Dragonriders of Pern series is definately science fiction, although with a few strange twists that might confuse people into thinking it is fantasy. (The dragons are actually genetically engineered, and except for the actual teleportation and ESP which are not explained, everything else in that series is very hard science fiction.) -- ssd 23:04, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The line between fantasy and SF is pretty blurry. The difference is mainly the explanation, since the result is identical. ie
*Dragons breathe fire (long explanation involving chemical breakdown) *Dragons breathe fire (long explanation involving drawing mana from the aether)
Many bookstores classify her stuff as fantasy, probably due to the setting. Other bookstores have given up keeping them separate and just call it Science Fiction/Fantasy. That's pretty much my view too - Just lump em all together and read the ones you like. The Steve 06:08, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)
This is being argued again. Most of her work is fuzzy, but generally you invoke a long explanation involving chemical breakdown, your "magic" is in the form of psionics, and you have spaceships from Earth and computers, it gets accepted as science fiction. The Ship Who Sang, the Crystal Singer, the Dinosaur Planet, Doona, and the Freedom Series are all pretty classic science fiction. The Talents series has a lot more major psionics then most science fiction, but again, if you call your magic psionics, and set it in the 30th century with space ships, it's science fiction.-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 14:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Star Wars calls its magic the Force, is set in a futuristic setting with superluminal travel and space ships, but nobody calls it science fiction. If it has magic (which includes psionics) and space ships, it's science fantasy. 2601:40D:4300:ECE0:4F8:DA27:F723:3B44 ( talk) 05:12, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
This will make it easier to refer to collaborators, and indeed refer to these series from those collaborators. If no-one objects, I'll get to it. -- Phil | Talk 14:03, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)
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These books are set in the same world, so it makes sense to list them together. Can anyone think of something to call them, other than "those books that have body heirs in them"? Is there something official I don't know about, maybe?
For lack of a useful header, I suppose one could always stick a note next to Nimisha, but it would be so much neater to do treat them like other connected books.
- Salli 01:44, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The two books occur in the same general region, which has a name (but I can't remember it). Also, I think there are several characters that overlap, like the great grand-daughter in one is the grandmother in the other or something. -- ssd 15:27, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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I'm slowly adding ISBNs for the books. If anyone else is currently active on this article and wants to participate, feel free -- but it would be wise to write down ISBNs in a separate file, then make one fast edit, rather than start an edit and search for ISBNs, lest our edits clash with each other. -- David.alex.lamb 17:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
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This article belongs to Category:People opposed to fan fiction, but this page shows that it is not true. I suggest removing the page from the category. Ifyr 16:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
This is an impressive list. Anyone care to state how many novels she wrote to date?-- SidiLemine 11:54, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion, the following articles need to be renamed...
Has Anne McCaffrey ever named "The Ship" series? I think of it as "The Brainship series". - LA @ 19:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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The topic of Anne McCaffrey’s legal action against fans for producing works about her Pern series certainly seems like it would be relevant. While she repealed the all-out ban on producing derivative works in 2004 on her website, she still sued earlier, and, according to a cease and desist letter penned by her attorney, settled several cases for monetary compensation "in the middle and low six figures". I agree with the assertion above that she shouldn't be on the "people opposing fan fiction" category anymore, but I think that her previous opposition certainly merits mention (it only shows up in the Dragonriders of Pern article). — Joshua ( talk) 23:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
In the introduction to Dragonsblood by her son Todd McCaffrey, Ms McCaffrey (p.x) says:
In the introduction to the book The Girl Who Heard Dragons (15 short stories published as a collection in 1994), Ms McCaffrey (p18) says:
Perhaps these quotes give some insight into her attitude about people distorting "her" world. Gubernatoria ( talk) 15:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
The article several times lists her nationality as American, but gives no cite nor explains it in the body of the article. As a resident for 38 years, she may or may not have Irish citizenship, may or may not have renounced her American citizenship, may or may not consider herself American, and may or may not consider herself Irish. Place of birth and citizenship at birth are not the be-all and end-all of nationality.-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 03:05, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
This whole section is unreferenced, and while I think much of it is interesting, it is also entirely Original Research. I would suggest that unless sources are found then it is deleted. DJ Clayworth ( talk) 16:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Apparently Anne McCaffrey was born aged 83 !! That's so utterly utterly hilarious, I hope no-one has the urge to edit it out, as it will cause most visitors to chuckle out loud, as I did. (Not only was it an unbelievably corny thing to include, did the person who put it in really not work out that - even without the unintentional comedy of it - the age would have to be re-calculated and updated each year??) 88.105.168.228 ( talk) 16:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
That explains why I have never seen a photo of her as a young woman. --- Dagme ( talk) 10:17, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Giving both date of birth and current age is usual practice in scientific circles, including medical, as well as in biographical research. Gubernatoria ( talk) 23:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Why does this page not list the Barque Cats series? Is it because Ms. McCaffrey is a co-author? Macduff ( talk)
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Someone may want to correct the "Writing period" [Period] entry in the info box, which currently states "1968-Present"
The short story "The Ship Who Sang" was published in 1961, this information is even listed within this article.
Sorry about not updating this myself Kid Bugs ( talk) 01:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
The article should give some attention to classification of McCaffrey as an author of "children's" or "juvenile" fiction. Probably by someone from the Children's literature project. -- P64 ( talk) 16:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
This week, already begun, I intend to rewrite the biography by reference to Dragonholder by Todd McCaffrey. Maybe using no other references, maybe ending before the Books section.
That should be enough to get Anne a "C" from some of these WikiProjects. -- P64 ( talk) 15:13, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
The List of Books or publications incorporated in this article was questioned already seven years ago, Talk:Anne McCaffrey#Split series off into separate articles. The list is now much longer, very long indeed. There is much duplication with two other pages.
Another approach may be commendable.
-- P64 ( talk) 20:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I think we really need to split the list of books into a separate List of works by Anne McCaffrey or whatever. This will be one of the first comments that would cause the article to fail a Good Article review. We can retain the current section here for Books with subsections for Classification and each series, with leadouts to the various main articles and lists. We can then concentrate on adding quality text to those sections, while also maintaining a high quality list (requirements for articles and lists are different: articles are mostly supposed to avoid list format for example). -- Mirokado ( talk) 15:20, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
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User:Knytshall has added this to the preface of subsection Books:Doona (no direct link is possible, afaik).
Decision at Doona (1969) is clearly set after an important event in human history, "Amalgamation". There are multiple allusions to that Terran(?) solution to interracial conflict, iiuc. Perhaps this supports K's point.
I have wondered what to do about the so-called FSP universe. For one, the ISF DataBase uses "universe" for some more narrowly defined series, and we do so here now with the "Crystal Singer universe" subsection heading. Second, to me this observation by Knytshall places the Doona series in the FSP universe, which means all fiction whose setting is linked to the FSP: set before, outside, or after the FSP. Do others agree?
Anyway, FSP universe covers a lot and isn't very important. ISFDB doesn't recognize any FSP mega-group within McCaffrey's fiction. I doubt that it should be a section of the list of books. If it's more important than I think, it should probably have a "main article".-- P64 ( talk) 19:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
3.2 The Talents universe (I have read To Ride Pegasus, would need to review it) 3.3 Doona, corrected by Knytshall (I agree) 3.4 Petaybee universe 3.5 The Freedom series 3.6 The Barque Cat Series 3.7 Acorna universe
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I have removed two refs from the list item Dragonrider. Inline refs are supposed to support the content. These two are not needed for that. They provide extra, background information which should either be in the article or a note if included at all. The second reference with "... seems ... seems ..." is clearly original research and needs to be rewritten to say what the sources say not what an editor thinks. There could be a note or para somewhere discussing the evolution of the collaboration between Anne and Todd, for example. Here are the two removed refs. [1] [2]
-- Mirokado ( talk) 22:55, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I have added Citation needed to the statement "Confirmed 2011-10-09" in a Dragonrider ref. There is no reference dated 2011-10-09 so this new confirmation of the proposed titles is unsourced. Since while trying to find this confirmation I checked the citation already in that reference I added the missing |accessdate= to it. Having done that I realise that editors may be putting Confirmed outside the citation definitions instead of using |accessdate. Please use the |accessdate parameter properly if using Cite * templates. I will wait a while for active editors to tidy the accessdates up as necessary. In the absence of such action or a response here I will tidy the article up myself. -- Mirokado ( talk) 23:05, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
|postscript=. Another sentence.
parameter so the additional details are within the related citation definition.{{
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template and friends generate a Bloggs 1897, p. 42 ref which links to the corresponding citation. If you look at
Wheelchair trainer you will see that I am having fun linking references and citations in various ways (still not finished) ...I now notice several places where questions etc which belong on the talk page have been placed in the article, notes or references. I will remove these and add them below. The article can only contain properly sourced material, not ongoing discussions between editors. -- Mirokado ( talk) 23:09, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Of course the material can be moved back to the article once it is properly written and sourced. -- Mirokado ( talk) 23:09, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Library catalogs are reliable sources for their own classifications (and for others such as Dewey or LOC numbers). Their classifications of particular books as Children's, as Science Fiction, etc, could be used to support that libraries disagree. As I understand it, the text probably, or perhaps a note, but not a reference, would state that libraries disagree. References to catalogs would support a statement in the text. A note would need to include its own source data because <ref>
cannot be nested. --
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-- Mirokado ( talk) 00:38, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Just a warning, not all catalogs are good sources, I find plenty of errors (misspellings, dates etc) in bibliotektjänst´s catalog entries. They correct most after a few requests, but some irritating errors remain. Example: Cataloging "Rudolf Diesel : hans liv och verk /Eugen Diesel!" as tecnology. There are at most 50 pages of tecnology in it, about 100 pages of economy and a few hundred biography (Rudolf and family) (by his son). Seniorsag ( talk) 15:06, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
I have moved this to be a subsection of books. It was given undue weight as the first section after the lead. The article should have information about McCaffrey and her career first, details of the books later in the books section.
I also created a subsection for Restoree, as this book was a getting a bit lost as the only one without a subsection. -- Mirokado ( talk) 00:45, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I've added a reference for the Locus list.
Looking at the Pringle ref:
<ref>''Modern Fantasy'', 20. ''Science Fiction'', 17. Pringle does not rank any of McCaffrey's works among the "hundred best" recent English-language science fiction novels or fantasy novels. He concedes a blind spot regarding planetary romance. David Pringle, ''[[Science Fiction: The 100 Best Novels]], An English-language selection, 1949–1984'', London: Xanadu Publ, 1985. David Pringle, ''[[Modern Fantasy: The 100 Best Novels]], An English-language selection, 1946–1987'', London: Grafton Books, 1988.</ref>
am I correct in interpreting "20" and "17" as page numbers in the Fantasy and Fiction books of the respective quotes in the article text?
[...] If so I can recast this so it would be (I hope) a bit clearer. Can you provide the book and page number for his "conceding a blind spot"? -- Mirokado ( talk) 22:35, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I have updated the reference dealing with Pringle's lists, as discussed above. In order to do that I have found it necessary to change the style and implementation of some references and citations. Wikipedia guidelines make it clear that such changes should only be made with consensus. I hope other editors will agree that these changes are an improvement. I have made more-or-less-minimal changes to support the updated content and in the absence of objections I will make the corresponding changes elsewhere so the article is consistent:
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template is a convenient and compact way of generating these referencesIf other editors agree to these changes, I will:
If I have to change anything for other reasons in the next few days, I will also modify as described here, but I can make further changes as necessary depending on any responses to this post. -- Mirokado ( talk) 20:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
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; the template {Refn}; the repeat use of "Citations" listed within section References; etc).Thanks to User:Mirokado for much thoughtful attention to the article and careful comment here this week. Cascading indentation is not adequate to distinguish respondents, when there is much use of block quotation, bulleted or numbered lists, etc. —at least, I find that confusing. Rather than indent more deeply, I have gone back to all my replies (some new this hour) and inserted the bold prefix P64:. This will be useful and perhaps adequate if the current pattern continues (long formatted contributions by M, some replies by me, and nothing yet from anyone else).
Feel free to delete this section if this is a bad idea or a better one is easy to implement. -- P64 ( talk) 23:49, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
(I apologize for belated notice.) On visits to some public library branches I have compiled notes on the Dedications and Acknowledgments in many of the Pern books and some others.
This month I have worked a lot on articles related to this biography. I will begin to get back to AIM herself this weekend, after the world championships conclude. -- P64 ( talk) 21:50, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
User:EmpathicCelt has just now restored there some wording from the capsule biography that appears in some AIM books (endpapers, dust jacket, or back cover?). If we do use this wording it needs to be credited. For the record, beside possible undue emphasis in the lead paragraph, I had doubts about this because it doesn't fit the Dragonholder account of their/her house purchase in 1976 or so, and subsequent move into Dragonhold. On the web I have seen some remarks about her current home, and some photos, which also do not fit the Dragonholder account. The truth may be more than one home called Dragonhold; thirty years in County Wicklow; some shorter time in the famous "home of her own design". -- P64 ( talk) 22:05, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
The article has had {{
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since some time in July. Currently article with infobox has a mixture of dmy (International) and mdy (American) with the references using at least predominantly iso format.
MOS:DATE says that the dates used in the article and for publication dates in references should be consistent and either dmy or mdy. Access dates and archive dates in references should either be consistent with the article or in iso format. I will make the article MOS conformant: the international format is what is already specified by use dmy dates and seems reasonable for an author translated into many languages resident in Ireland. For this make-it-consistent exercise I would also make all the access and archive dates iso format. At the same time I will tidy up any remaining usages of "confirmed" or similar in references, standardising on "Retrieved (date)". Any comments before I do this? --
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This information is reliable, Sharon Lee is an author who was friends with Ms. McCaffrey. One of us can update the link when there is an official obituary. Zola ( talk) 22:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC) Updated link to Random House now that they have confirmed her death on their blog Zola ( talk) 23:58, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
The image used on this article is still pretty awful (as users were commenting higher up on this talk page back in 2006). I understand why it was used if it was the only free image we had, but it seems to me to do a disservice to its subject. Now that she's dead, and a better free image couldn't be obtained, would it be permissible to replace it with a better, non-free image? Or have I misunderstood how our image policy works? Robofish ( talk) 23:29, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Early in the article, the words "DuPont transferred the family temporarily to Düsseldorf, Germany" appear with no context or previous mention of the name "DuPont". There is no previous indication of who or what DuPont is. Please fix this. --- Dagme ( talk) 10:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
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In the {{ infobox writer}} we now say "Nationality: Irish (naturalized citizen)". Do we know when she became a citizen? have a source?
Template {{ Use Irish English}} is the first line of code since February 2013. Do we have an editor who knows Irish English reliably? At Hiberno-English#Spelling we say " British English spelling is used throughout the island." The linked article does not cover spelling. I am generally at a loss re Oxford spelling, certainly including when it should be used at EN.wikipedia. Anyway, which British spelling is Irish?
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I am confused as to why this has it's own wiki category at all. In the Dragon riders series they figured out that "Dinosaur planet (a.k.a Ireta) is also the planet they call Pern. They are all part of one series. Kamon420 ( talk) 11:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)