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The sweeping last sentence of the article's introduction seems to subjectively elevate Hutchinson to the status as "the most famous, or infamous, English woman in colonial American history," which appears to me to be quite a far-reaching statement, and a matter of opinion no less. As such, I think that this assessment, unless there is some verifiable and reputable sourced document that speaks to some sort of general consensus regarding this point among historians (or alternatively, say a hypothetical scientifically-conducted public opinion poll that queries the recognizability of certain historical figures), it should be deleted or qualified as "one of the most." Please discuss. Mrzubrow ( talk) 13:36, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
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Hello; I'm curious about your removal of the royal ancestry of Anne Hutchinson and the wife of Edward Hutchinson in those respective articles. Your comment in the edit summary was that the material is non-noteworthy, but I'm not sure why that is the case. This seems to have been done unilaterally, without any discussion on the talk pages. It concerns me most with the Anne Hutchinson article, since this article has come under the scrutiny of many editors since last October. Though I've done the lion's share of recent editing on this article, I've tried to maintain or enhance the work of other editors, and this little section represents such an undertaking. So, I'd like to get your reasoning on this. Thanks. Sarnold17 ( talk) 02:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
The material concerning Hutchinson's ancestry that had been deleted a few days ago has been reinstated. Justification comes from the following paragraph in the article Wikipedia:Dispute resolution (the italics are mine):
There was no discussion or consensus reached prior to the deletion, and had there been a discussion, there would have been opposition to the proposed deletion. The article has been returned to the wording with which it was approved at FAC.-- Sarnold17 ( talk) 02:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted the good faith edits made to change the British spelling of this article to American spelling. There has been considerable discussion on this talk page about the spelling, and ultimately the article went through a peer review and FAC with British spelling. Consensus will need to be reached to change the spelling of the article, and it will take considerable effort to do so, since it is a long article, and there are many parts of the article that do not appear, such as alt texts and citations. Sarnold17 ( talk) 09:40, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Number of surviving brothers and sisters: I think it is incorrect that Hutchinson's father's five oldest surviving children were all girls. I get Mary (died young), Susan (lived), Elizabeth (died young), John (lived), Anne (lived), Francis (lived), Bridget (died young), Emme (lived). That's five surviving children, but it's three girls and two boys. I'm not a Hutchinson expert, and this could be wrong. Maybe John and Francis died young too? I only have baptism dates for them. But the next two kids are also boys, so there would have to be a lot of infant death for this to be right.
Whereas WP:NCWC states "Honorifics such as "His Holiness" should ordinarily not be used in naming clergy" and whereas the occupation of these men is otherwise clear, and whereas though they may be named with honorifics in source material this 'pædia is not necessarily the same type of writing as any of said sources; so I believe this edit ought to stand. DBD 21:40, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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Currently, this article is in British English. Apparently, someone tried to unilaterally change the spellings to American English, so Sarnold17 reverted it ( see their reasoning above). The subject was born in England and became well-known in colonial North America, in what is now the United States. What variant should this article use?
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— Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 18:15, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
She was not English, she was a Colonial American. The bulk of the article addresses her life in America, and very little is even known of her life in England. I had started making the change to American English at an earlier date, not noticing the note at the top of the article. Someone reverted my change and drew my attention to that note, so I dropped it. But if this question is still open for discussion, then I would strongly urge that it be written in American English. It is an article on American history, not British history. — Dilidor ( talk) 10:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
@ Dilidor and Nedrutland: What the hell is going on? Why are you edit warring? See WP:3RR, WP:BRD. Talk it out here. — Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 17:43, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
@ Nedrutland: I have conceded from the very first that there were good edits mixed into the bad. I will also point out that your demand that I "stop reverting all changes" is the pot accusing the kettle. Furthermore, I yielded on the "Church of England" issue in our first abbreviated attempt at discussion.
The manual of style is actually quite clear in its guidelines on linking. Notice that it specifically lists:
Regardless, I am not interested in continuing this debate, which has resulted only in locking down the entire article. So I hereby relinquish my concerns. — Dilidor ( talk) 13:10, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
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The sweeping last sentence of the article's introduction seems to subjectively elevate Hutchinson to the status as "the most famous, or infamous, English woman in colonial American history," which appears to me to be quite a far-reaching statement, and a matter of opinion no less. As such, I think that this assessment, unless there is some verifiable and reputable sourced document that speaks to some sort of general consensus regarding this point among historians (or alternatively, say a hypothetical scientifically-conducted public opinion poll that queries the recognizability of certain historical figures), it should be deleted or qualified as "one of the most." Please discuss. Mrzubrow ( talk) 13:36, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The following discussion has been transferred from the talk page of Agricolae
Hello; I'm curious about your removal of the royal ancestry of Anne Hutchinson and the wife of Edward Hutchinson in those respective articles. Your comment in the edit summary was that the material is non-noteworthy, but I'm not sure why that is the case. This seems to have been done unilaterally, without any discussion on the talk pages. It concerns me most with the Anne Hutchinson article, since this article has come under the scrutiny of many editors since last October. Though I've done the lion's share of recent editing on this article, I've tried to maintain or enhance the work of other editors, and this little section represents such an undertaking. So, I'd like to get your reasoning on this. Thanks. Sarnold17 ( talk) 02:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
The material concerning Hutchinson's ancestry that had been deleted a few days ago has been reinstated. Justification comes from the following paragraph in the article Wikipedia:Dispute resolution (the italics are mine):
There was no discussion or consensus reached prior to the deletion, and had there been a discussion, there would have been opposition to the proposed deletion. The article has been returned to the wording with which it was approved at FAC.-- Sarnold17 ( talk) 02:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted the good faith edits made to change the British spelling of this article to American spelling. There has been considerable discussion on this talk page about the spelling, and ultimately the article went through a peer review and FAC with British spelling. Consensus will need to be reached to change the spelling of the article, and it will take considerable effort to do so, since it is a long article, and there are many parts of the article that do not appear, such as alt texts and citations. Sarnold17 ( talk) 09:40, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Number of surviving brothers and sisters: I think it is incorrect that Hutchinson's father's five oldest surviving children were all girls. I get Mary (died young), Susan (lived), Elizabeth (died young), John (lived), Anne (lived), Francis (lived), Bridget (died young), Emme (lived). That's five surviving children, but it's three girls and two boys. I'm not a Hutchinson expert, and this could be wrong. Maybe John and Francis died young too? I only have baptism dates for them. But the next two kids are also boys, so there would have to be a lot of infant death for this to be right.
Whereas WP:NCWC states "Honorifics such as "His Holiness" should ordinarily not be used in naming clergy" and whereas the occupation of these men is otherwise clear, and whereas though they may be named with honorifics in source material this 'pædia is not necessarily the same type of writing as any of said sources; so I believe this edit ought to stand. DBD 21:40, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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Currently, this article is in British English. Apparently, someone tried to unilaterally change the spellings to American English, so Sarnold17 reverted it ( see their reasoning above). The subject was born in England and became well-known in colonial North America, in what is now the United States. What variant should this article use?
Potentially helpful pages:
— Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 18:15, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
She was not English, she was a Colonial American. The bulk of the article addresses her life in America, and very little is even known of her life in England. I had started making the change to American English at an earlier date, not noticing the note at the top of the article. Someone reverted my change and drew my attention to that note, so I dropped it. But if this question is still open for discussion, then I would strongly urge that it be written in American English. It is an article on American history, not British history. — Dilidor ( talk) 10:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
@ Dilidor and Nedrutland: What the hell is going on? Why are you edit warring? See WP:3RR, WP:BRD. Talk it out here. — Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 17:43, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
@ Nedrutland: I have conceded from the very first that there were good edits mixed into the bad. I will also point out that your demand that I "stop reverting all changes" is the pot accusing the kettle. Furthermore, I yielded on the "Church of England" issue in our first abbreviated attempt at discussion.
The manual of style is actually quite clear in its guidelines on linking. Notice that it specifically lists:
Regardless, I am not interested in continuing this debate, which has resulted only in locking down the entire article. So I hereby relinquish my concerns. — Dilidor ( talk) 13:10, 12 July 2018 (UTC)