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Note...reworded notes under story. I felt the wording of how "the last season before Joss Whedon was distracted by other projects" has a bit too much of a negative connotation to it for encyclopedic text. - Picklefork, 22:36 EST, Mar. 6, 2006
Ah! I'm dying. who are the other actors who have appeared in Angel, Buffy, and Firefly??? It seems rude to list that fact without also listing the other actors. Please update with other actors. If I find them I will add. ~M —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Margeeolio ( talk • contribs) 00:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC).
This is a great article about a great episode about a great series, but shouldn't "Story Arc" really be about where this episode fits into the development of the Buffy Epic and the development of major characters? To me the significance of this episode is that no matter how far she runs, Buffy can't hide from who she is. In the fight with the demons there is that unforgettable scene where she stands poised confidentally with weapons at the ready. At that moment she knows exactly who she is. (The Chosen One) Just a thought. - TFreckman —Preceding unsigned comment added by TFreckman ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone made mention of the fact that the scene where all the main characters first meet after the school break, is one continuous take? Reminiscent of Alfred Hitchcock's Rope and and a scene from Sam Raimi's The Quick and the Dead. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.87.113.10 ( talk) 23:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC).
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 18:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
This was removed for some reason, but it's a fairly obvious piece of symbolism by Whedon and worthy of note. In the climactic fight scene, Buffy does pick up a hammer and a sickle that look just like the ones on the flag of the USSR. I'm not sure why the editor removed this note: of course Whedon wasn't endorsing Soviet-style communism. It was just a visiaul reference. But it's interesting to note. Garth M ( talk) 22:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Please explain the meaning of "notable" tag--I don't understand what would make one Buffy episode "notable" as opposed to merely obvious. Most tv shows have episode pages, and they're not much better than this one but they're not all tagged. Other elements that should be added are production notes, for example, but I'm not going to do it (sorry). I'll do clean-up, but can't handle an entire reworking of a page. Also, it would be nice if people who love tagging pages were as enthusiastic about working on them. It's frustrating to spend hours making a page better just to have someone do a drive-by tagging. Did you see the condition of the page before I worked on it?-- TEHodson 08:17, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
There are never references for plot synopses, at least not that I've seen and edited (and I've edited book, movie, and TV plots, reducing all of them significantly, usually only to see them plumped back up quickly by over-eager fans) The reference is the episode itself, or the book itself, whatever. I've just looked at a random sample of Buffy episode, book, and movie synopses, and not one has a single reference--the source material is understood to be the reference. What else could the reference be? The scripts or books aren't all loaded online by the writers. The people looking at them already know the show and are usually looking to see which episode is which--to get to the episode article one has usually followed several links, starting with the show's main page. Buffy episode synopses are notoriously long and overly-detailed (because the people who write them are big fans); I reduced the length significantly, got rid of editorial writing, opinions, and unrelated trivia. I have no idea how any TV show episode page is "notable" but they exist, and appear to exist as a convention. None that I looked at are tagged with "notability" as an issue. Before tagging this page and reverting edits, did you look at other Buffy episode pages? It's the Production section that usually has all the references, as the information is gleaned through reading an article, or listening to an interview or commentary, but even so, it's a TV episode, not an historical article; there are, by its nature, a limited number of references. What exactly do you require to be satisfied? This article, such as it is, will probably never rise to an objectively "high" standard. It's just there.-- TEHodson 20:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I've just begun the process of asking for editing conflict resolution regarding the notability tags all over Buffy and Angel episodes. My request can be found here: Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests — Preceding unsigned comment added by TEHodson ( talk • contribs) 10:14, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Xe: The plot summary on this page is about 700 words, which is the same as most episodes of Buffy that I've seen, including Hush. You tagged that one, too, for plot length, but didn't protest when the tag was removed without the summary being shortened by even one character. I'm going to try to shorten it a bit more, but as it's average for a Buffy ep to be @ 700 words due to complexity, and the summary guidelines say that if a plot is very elaborate more words are acceptable, I propose we remove the tag so this article doesn't look such a mess. Unless you come here within the next couple of days to argue for its remaining, I will remove it shortly.-- TEHodson 00:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
How is anything you wrote an answer to my question? A simple Yes or No is treated as an invitation to mock instead of just answer. It doesn't get much simpler than Yes or No, but you still didn't answer simply, straightforwardly. Why not?-- TEHodson 10:11, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
What you wrote is all opinion, from a source not considered reliable, and isn't about writing but is an analysis of a character and the episode (and not a very deep one). No Buffy episode is about one thing--the meanings and implications are always pretty far-reaching. If you want to put all that back in, make a section called "Analysis" or something like that, and I'd recommend quoting the source, saying something like: So and so writes that..."quote" then put in the citation, but it would be better if you had more sources than just one guy saying this or that. I understand what you're trying to do, but it's pretty thin stuff. Also, I'd say the episode is about how one can't just shed one's name in the hope that doing so will also shed you of your responsibilities. This episode is about Buffy remembering who she is in a much deeper sense than just her name, but that's my opinion. Others may have other opinions about other sections of the ep (Giles and Joyce's feelings, for example, and their differing relationships with Buffy, Joyce's blame of Giles). If you can find more, you may end up with a very interesting section.-- TEHodson 20:46, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
A source that does not introduce a spam "computer threat" site obliging me to undertake a "System Restore" to get rid of it would also be more welcome. One for the blacklist? Britmax ( talk) 20:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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Note...reworded notes under story. I felt the wording of how "the last season before Joss Whedon was distracted by other projects" has a bit too much of a negative connotation to it for encyclopedic text. - Picklefork, 22:36 EST, Mar. 6, 2006
Ah! I'm dying. who are the other actors who have appeared in Angel, Buffy, and Firefly??? It seems rude to list that fact without also listing the other actors. Please update with other actors. If I find them I will add. ~M —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Margeeolio ( talk • contribs) 00:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC).
This is a great article about a great episode about a great series, but shouldn't "Story Arc" really be about where this episode fits into the development of the Buffy Epic and the development of major characters? To me the significance of this episode is that no matter how far she runs, Buffy can't hide from who she is. In the fight with the demons there is that unforgettable scene where she stands poised confidentally with weapons at the ready. At that moment she knows exactly who she is. (The Chosen One) Just a thought. - TFreckman —Preceding unsigned comment added by TFreckman ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone made mention of the fact that the scene where all the main characters first meet after the school break, is one continuous take? Reminiscent of Alfred Hitchcock's Rope and and a scene from Sam Raimi's The Quick and the Dead. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.87.113.10 ( talk) 23:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC).
Image:Buffy301.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 18:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
This was removed for some reason, but it's a fairly obvious piece of symbolism by Whedon and worthy of note. In the climactic fight scene, Buffy does pick up a hammer and a sickle that look just like the ones on the flag of the USSR. I'm not sure why the editor removed this note: of course Whedon wasn't endorsing Soviet-style communism. It was just a visiaul reference. But it's interesting to note. Garth M ( talk) 22:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Please explain the meaning of "notable" tag--I don't understand what would make one Buffy episode "notable" as opposed to merely obvious. Most tv shows have episode pages, and they're not much better than this one but they're not all tagged. Other elements that should be added are production notes, for example, but I'm not going to do it (sorry). I'll do clean-up, but can't handle an entire reworking of a page. Also, it would be nice if people who love tagging pages were as enthusiastic about working on them. It's frustrating to spend hours making a page better just to have someone do a drive-by tagging. Did you see the condition of the page before I worked on it?-- TEHodson 08:17, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
There are never references for plot synopses, at least not that I've seen and edited (and I've edited book, movie, and TV plots, reducing all of them significantly, usually only to see them plumped back up quickly by over-eager fans) The reference is the episode itself, or the book itself, whatever. I've just looked at a random sample of Buffy episode, book, and movie synopses, and not one has a single reference--the source material is understood to be the reference. What else could the reference be? The scripts or books aren't all loaded online by the writers. The people looking at them already know the show and are usually looking to see which episode is which--to get to the episode article one has usually followed several links, starting with the show's main page. Buffy episode synopses are notoriously long and overly-detailed (because the people who write them are big fans); I reduced the length significantly, got rid of editorial writing, opinions, and unrelated trivia. I have no idea how any TV show episode page is "notable" but they exist, and appear to exist as a convention. None that I looked at are tagged with "notability" as an issue. Before tagging this page and reverting edits, did you look at other Buffy episode pages? It's the Production section that usually has all the references, as the information is gleaned through reading an article, or listening to an interview or commentary, but even so, it's a TV episode, not an historical article; there are, by its nature, a limited number of references. What exactly do you require to be satisfied? This article, such as it is, will probably never rise to an objectively "high" standard. It's just there.-- TEHodson 20:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I've just begun the process of asking for editing conflict resolution regarding the notability tags all over Buffy and Angel episodes. My request can be found here: Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests — Preceding unsigned comment added by TEHodson ( talk • contribs) 10:14, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Xe: The plot summary on this page is about 700 words, which is the same as most episodes of Buffy that I've seen, including Hush. You tagged that one, too, for plot length, but didn't protest when the tag was removed without the summary being shortened by even one character. I'm going to try to shorten it a bit more, but as it's average for a Buffy ep to be @ 700 words due to complexity, and the summary guidelines say that if a plot is very elaborate more words are acceptable, I propose we remove the tag so this article doesn't look such a mess. Unless you come here within the next couple of days to argue for its remaining, I will remove it shortly.-- TEHodson 00:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
How is anything you wrote an answer to my question? A simple Yes or No is treated as an invitation to mock instead of just answer. It doesn't get much simpler than Yes or No, but you still didn't answer simply, straightforwardly. Why not?-- TEHodson 10:11, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
What you wrote is all opinion, from a source not considered reliable, and isn't about writing but is an analysis of a character and the episode (and not a very deep one). No Buffy episode is about one thing--the meanings and implications are always pretty far-reaching. If you want to put all that back in, make a section called "Analysis" or something like that, and I'd recommend quoting the source, saying something like: So and so writes that..."quote" then put in the citation, but it would be better if you had more sources than just one guy saying this or that. I understand what you're trying to do, but it's pretty thin stuff. Also, I'd say the episode is about how one can't just shed one's name in the hope that doing so will also shed you of your responsibilities. This episode is about Buffy remembering who she is in a much deeper sense than just her name, but that's my opinion. Others may have other opinions about other sections of the ep (Giles and Joyce's feelings, for example, and their differing relationships with Buffy, Joyce's blame of Giles). If you can find more, you may end up with a very interesting section.-- TEHodson 20:46, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
A source that does not introduce a spam "computer threat" site obliging me to undertake a "System Restore" to get rid of it would also be more welcome. One for the blacklist? Britmax ( talk) 20:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)