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Anna Hutsol gets 2x as much google hits then Anna Gutsol. Romanization of Ukrainian has beat Romanization of Russian. Hence I moved this page today. — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 21:08, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Dear Alan, you are wrong... Her name in Ukrainian is Hanna Hutsel thus her name spelled in the Ukrainian alphabet is Гaнна Гуцол, not Aнна Гуцол. Hanna is the Ukrainian form of the name Anna (Anna is the Russian form of the name Anna). Anna Hutsel seems to be her WP:COMMONNAME, but that is something different. Spelling her name in Ukrainian as Anna Hutsol (=Aнна Гуцол) is wrong. This is not that strange since Louise, Aloisia and Luise are, respectively, French and German feminine forms of Louis. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for replying. Her own blog gives her name as анна Гуцол - but I accept that that is in Russian not Ukrainian. I am puzzled as to why you are now spelling her surname as 'Hutsel' rather than 'Hutsol'? I am also puzzled as to why we now have two different dates of birth for her? btw I would agree with your suggestion to merge this page into the main Femen page. AlanD1956 ( talk) 08:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
PS Her Blog is on a Russian Newspaper website... So no wonder they don't use her "Ukrainian name" there... Germans call Lviv still Lemberg while it is not a part of Austria since 1917.... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:04, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for replying. I agree that many Ukrainians use the "Russian version" of their name and not the "Ukrainian version". And when Hutsol was born, Kiev was still part of the USSR. So I would have thought that her birth certificate might give her name as анна rather than Ганна. But regardless of what is on her birth certificate, I think that her WP:COMMONNAME should be Anna Hutsol not Hanna. AlanD1956 ( talk) 09:02, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
It may also be worth noting that, according to Gail Ackerman's recent book on Femen, Anna Hutsol was actually born in Murmansk (in Russia) and she lived in Russia until her parents moved to Ukraine in 1991. AlanD1956 ( talk) 07:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
The book says 'the end of 1991' suggesting that Hutsol's parents moved shortly after Ukraine declared independence. AlanD1956 ( talk) 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Please don't add any speculations about reasons how and why she is named so. In the official, business documents written:
Anna Vasylivna Hutsol Account: 26258011152838 Kyiv branch of Unicredit Bank
Which means it is her officially documented full name. Please notice that surname and patronymic are written as Ukrainian. Hence her official name is "Anna". Please also notice that Ukrainian passport is bilingual ua/en . Staszek Lem ( talk) 02:43, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Well my own OR experience was in Crimea... So be sure not to generalize . — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:15, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
The fact that Russian language does not have this sound "h" has no relation to the article. For example Галичина is not written "Аличина" in Russian. Staszek Lem ( talk) 02:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Feel free Oberbootsmann to include into this article the info that she studied in Khmelnytskyi (with the inclusion of the reference of course ). Since people from Western Ukraine (where Khmelnytskyi is situated) are usually more active then Ukrainians from the rest of Ukraine (I assume this is so because Western Ukraine was never part of Tsarist Russia) it does not come as a surprise to me that she (at least) grew up there... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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Anna Hutsol gets 2x as much google hits then Anna Gutsol. Romanization of Ukrainian has beat Romanization of Russian. Hence I moved this page today. — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 21:08, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Dear Alan, you are wrong... Her name in Ukrainian is Hanna Hutsel thus her name spelled in the Ukrainian alphabet is Гaнна Гуцол, not Aнна Гуцол. Hanna is the Ukrainian form of the name Anna (Anna is the Russian form of the name Anna). Anna Hutsel seems to be her WP:COMMONNAME, but that is something different. Spelling her name in Ukrainian as Anna Hutsol (=Aнна Гуцол) is wrong. This is not that strange since Louise, Aloisia and Luise are, respectively, French and German feminine forms of Louis. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for replying. Her own blog gives her name as анна Гуцол - but I accept that that is in Russian not Ukrainian. I am puzzled as to why you are now spelling her surname as 'Hutsel' rather than 'Hutsol'? I am also puzzled as to why we now have two different dates of birth for her? btw I would agree with your suggestion to merge this page into the main Femen page. AlanD1956 ( talk) 08:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
PS Her Blog is on a Russian Newspaper website... So no wonder they don't use her "Ukrainian name" there... Germans call Lviv still Lemberg while it is not a part of Austria since 1917.... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:04, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for replying. I agree that many Ukrainians use the "Russian version" of their name and not the "Ukrainian version". And when Hutsol was born, Kiev was still part of the USSR. So I would have thought that her birth certificate might give her name as анна rather than Ганна. But regardless of what is on her birth certificate, I think that her WP:COMMONNAME should be Anna Hutsol not Hanna. AlanD1956 ( talk) 09:02, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
It may also be worth noting that, according to Gail Ackerman's recent book on Femen, Anna Hutsol was actually born in Murmansk (in Russia) and she lived in Russia until her parents moved to Ukraine in 1991. AlanD1956 ( talk) 07:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
The book says 'the end of 1991' suggesting that Hutsol's parents moved shortly after Ukraine declared independence. AlanD1956 ( talk) 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Please don't add any speculations about reasons how and why she is named so. In the official, business documents written:
Anna Vasylivna Hutsol Account: 26258011152838 Kyiv branch of Unicredit Bank
Which means it is her officially documented full name. Please notice that surname and patronymic are written as Ukrainian. Hence her official name is "Anna". Please also notice that Ukrainian passport is bilingual ua/en . Staszek Lem ( talk) 02:43, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Well my own OR experience was in Crimea... So be sure not to generalize . — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:15, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
The fact that Russian language does not have this sound "h" has no relation to the article. For example Галичина is not written "Аличина" in Russian. Staszek Lem ( talk) 02:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Feel free Oberbootsmann to include into this article the info that she studied in Khmelnytskyi (with the inclusion of the reference of course ). Since people from Western Ukraine (where Khmelnytskyi is situated) are usually more active then Ukrainians from the rest of Ukraine (I assume this is so because Western Ukraine was never part of Tsarist Russia) it does not come as a surprise to me that she (at least) grew up there... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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