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Article is stable and focused. Appears to be broad but always hard to say on a quick look - you do seem quite reliant on ABC news? It's a reliable source but perhaps it's good to use other news sources as well. In fact through reading the ADB entry I think you could add more details about her politics, for example using this sentence - "She used it as a forum through which to draw attention to social issues, including eating disorders, anaphylaxis, human trafficking, climate change, and live animal exports." Residence and children are mentioned in the infobox but not in article.
Verifiability - references are decent, she is certainly notable per WP:ANYBIO as well. Earwig doesn't flag any copyvio issues.
"As Deputy Speaker, Burke was deprived of her deliberative vote, being able only to vote in the case of a tie. On 9 October 2012, Peter Slipper resigned as Speaker of the House.[9]" - only the second of the two sentences is backed by the source?
"In the 2013 federal election, Burke suffered a 4.18% swing (2PP) against her in Chisholm, but was re-elected with 51.6% of the 2PP vote. Her tenure as Speaker ended with the defeat of the Rudd government, and the Abbott government appointed Bronwyn Bishop as Speaker. She then sought to become chief opposition whip but was not successful.[10]" - hmm same like above, only the last sentence is verifiable from the source. a source needs however to back everything before it not just the last sentence. I've run out of time to check other refs, but I'd be concerned if this pattern continued.
The one image is relevant and appropriately licensed
Prose
maybe "The member for Fisher" could be "the member for the division of Fisher"?
The sentences in "Retirement from politics" section could be pulled into one paragraph
Overall - slight concern over broadness, the article seemed otherwise in good state until checking citations turned up issues which would def need to be sorted before a GA nom. Hope this helps!
Mujinga (
talk)
15:20, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
whoops forgot to add comments on the lead:
" She was only the second woman to become Speaker, after Joan Child." - this is in the lead but not mentioned below and not cited anywhere.
I'd say it's worth adding the Officer of the Order of Australia here as well
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the
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General
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GraziePrego: hello. The review is on hold! To save us both some time I already did the minor suggestions, if you disagree on any, please do say so. — The
Blue Rider18:05, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi @
The Blue Rider, I have finished going through your comments- there are some where I have a question about the suggestion, but other than that they are done. Many thanks for your suggestions so far.
GraziePrego (
talk)
05:12, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Lead
Per
MOS:LEADSENTENCE, the first sentence should tell who the subject is. I suggest adding the actual role.
Done.
Per
MOS:LEADCITE, unless the statements are likely to be challenged the lead doesn't need in-line citations. With that in mind, remove the citaitons.
Done.
Per
MOS:INTRO, the leader does not stand as a concise version of the article and as so it should be expanded.
Done I think? Does it need more?
Remove the months of the lead.
Done.
Her being the second women to give birth while a member of the Australian parliament is not relevant for the lead.
Was she successful on the ban of the child beauty pageants?
Done, specifically said unsuccessful.
Remove wikilink from graffiti.
Done.
Why did someone vandalize her office?
The coverage doesn't give any motives- it seems odd that her office was targeted despite her being more pro-"freeing the refugees" than other members.
Why did Labor had "failed women"?
Done, explained why she said that.
Remove duplicated wikilink from Liberal.
Done.
Career after politics
Per
MOS:PARA, I suggest the junction of one-sentence or very short paragraphs.
Done.
Per the comments of GMH Melborune, join a couple of paragraph and remove the overly descriptive dates.
Done.
Why is Allergy and Anaphylaxis Australia the only organization that is not on the list of institutions that Burke is a chair or board member of?
Done I think? I've moved that organisation into the same paragraph as the others, if that's the fix you mean?
Style as Deputy Speaker and Speaker
Per
MOS:PARA, I suggest the junction of one-sentence or very short paragraphs.
Done.
Per the comments of GMH Melborune, join a couple of paragraph and remove the overly descriptive dates.
Done.
What is "straight-talking" and "death stare"? What's its relevance?
They're descriptions of her personality in exercising the Speaker's duties, are they a a bit marginally relevant? I can remove them if they're not needed..
This section is not correctly placed chronologically, it should be merged with «Time in parliament».
Is the refugee policy and food allergies the only political beliefs of her? In the other section it is mentioned she opposed those "anorexia websites" and was against child beauty pageants, for instance.
They're the beliefs she's most notable for- is this a matter of renaming the section to "prominent positions" or adding all the political beliefs that there's coverage about?
I think this section doesn't really need dates, it can easily be rewritten without them. Take for instance: In 2011, Burke made public comments expressing her opposition to the Gillard Government's 'Malaysia Solution... → Burke opposed the Gillard Government's 'Malaysia Solution...
Done, removed some dates.
Refugee policy
Per
MOS:PARA, I suggest the junction of one-sentence or very short paragraphs.
Done.
Per the comments of GMH Melborune, join a couple of paragraph and remove the overly descriptive dates.
Feel free to completely ignore this, I was just reading the article and thought I'd pass along some suggestions on improving the article.
Lede: Use the opening sentence to better identify the topic, perhaps by alluding to the fact she was speaker. Consider removing the word 'only' from the last sentence. Also remove the redundant citations that are already supported in the body of the article (per
MOS:LEADCITE).
Haven't reach the lead review but agreed, the first sentence should follow
MOS:LEADSENTENCE, and unless the statements are likely to be challenged the lead doesn't need in-line citations.— The
Blue Rider12:33, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Consider merging the 'Early life' and 'Entry into politics' sections.
I wouldn't say her career between 20-31 years old is early life but a «Career» section that encompassed all other career-related sections could be created — The
Blue Rider12:33, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Time in parliament: Consider making the section more concise (see
WP:PL).
WP:PL is an essay and not relevant for GA, but I will take into consideration the conciseness of the prose. — The
Blue Rider12:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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Article is stable and focused. Appears to be broad but always hard to say on a quick look - you do seem quite reliant on ABC news? It's a reliable source but perhaps it's good to use other news sources as well. In fact through reading the ADB entry I think you could add more details about her politics, for example using this sentence - "She used it as a forum through which to draw attention to social issues, including eating disorders, anaphylaxis, human trafficking, climate change, and live animal exports." Residence and children are mentioned in the infobox but not in article.
Verifiability - references are decent, she is certainly notable per WP:ANYBIO as well. Earwig doesn't flag any copyvio issues.
"As Deputy Speaker, Burke was deprived of her deliberative vote, being able only to vote in the case of a tie. On 9 October 2012, Peter Slipper resigned as Speaker of the House.[9]" - only the second of the two sentences is backed by the source?
"In the 2013 federal election, Burke suffered a 4.18% swing (2PP) against her in Chisholm, but was re-elected with 51.6% of the 2PP vote. Her tenure as Speaker ended with the defeat of the Rudd government, and the Abbott government appointed Bronwyn Bishop as Speaker. She then sought to become chief opposition whip but was not successful.[10]" - hmm same like above, only the last sentence is verifiable from the source. a source needs however to back everything before it not just the last sentence. I've run out of time to check other refs, but I'd be concerned if this pattern continued.
The one image is relevant and appropriately licensed
Prose
maybe "The member for Fisher" could be "the member for the division of Fisher"?
The sentences in "Retirement from politics" section could be pulled into one paragraph
Overall - slight concern over broadness, the article seemed otherwise in good state until checking citations turned up issues which would def need to be sorted before a GA nom. Hope this helps!
Mujinga (
talk)
15:20, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
whoops forgot to add comments on the lead:
" She was only the second woman to become Speaker, after Joan Child." - this is in the lead but not mentioned below and not cited anywhere.
I'd say it's worth adding the Officer of the Order of Australia here as well
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the
Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed
General
@
GraziePrego: hello. The review is on hold! To save us both some time I already did the minor suggestions, if you disagree on any, please do say so. — The
Blue Rider18:05, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi @
The Blue Rider, I have finished going through your comments- there are some where I have a question about the suggestion, but other than that they are done. Many thanks for your suggestions so far.
GraziePrego (
talk)
05:12, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Lead
Per
MOS:LEADSENTENCE, the first sentence should tell who the subject is. I suggest adding the actual role.
Done.
Per
MOS:LEADCITE, unless the statements are likely to be challenged the lead doesn't need in-line citations. With that in mind, remove the citaitons.
Done.
Per
MOS:INTRO, the leader does not stand as a concise version of the article and as so it should be expanded.
Done I think? Does it need more?
Remove the months of the lead.
Done.
Her being the second women to give birth while a member of the Australian parliament is not relevant for the lead.
Was she successful on the ban of the child beauty pageants?
Done, specifically said unsuccessful.
Remove wikilink from graffiti.
Done.
Why did someone vandalize her office?
The coverage doesn't give any motives- it seems odd that her office was targeted despite her being more pro-"freeing the refugees" than other members.
Why did Labor had "failed women"?
Done, explained why she said that.
Remove duplicated wikilink from Liberal.
Done.
Career after politics
Per
MOS:PARA, I suggest the junction of one-sentence or very short paragraphs.
Done.
Per the comments of GMH Melborune, join a couple of paragraph and remove the overly descriptive dates.
Done.
Why is Allergy and Anaphylaxis Australia the only organization that is not on the list of institutions that Burke is a chair or board member of?
Done I think? I've moved that organisation into the same paragraph as the others, if that's the fix you mean?
Style as Deputy Speaker and Speaker
Per
MOS:PARA, I suggest the junction of one-sentence or very short paragraphs.
Done.
Per the comments of GMH Melborune, join a couple of paragraph and remove the overly descriptive dates.
Done.
What is "straight-talking" and "death stare"? What's its relevance?
They're descriptions of her personality in exercising the Speaker's duties, are they a a bit marginally relevant? I can remove them if they're not needed..
This section is not correctly placed chronologically, it should be merged with «Time in parliament».
Is the refugee policy and food allergies the only political beliefs of her? In the other section it is mentioned she opposed those "anorexia websites" and was against child beauty pageants, for instance.
They're the beliefs she's most notable for- is this a matter of renaming the section to "prominent positions" or adding all the political beliefs that there's coverage about?
I think this section doesn't really need dates, it can easily be rewritten without them. Take for instance: In 2011, Burke made public comments expressing her opposition to the Gillard Government's 'Malaysia Solution... → Burke opposed the Gillard Government's 'Malaysia Solution...
Done, removed some dates.
Refugee policy
Per
MOS:PARA, I suggest the junction of one-sentence or very short paragraphs.
Done.
Per the comments of GMH Melborune, join a couple of paragraph and remove the overly descriptive dates.
Feel free to completely ignore this, I was just reading the article and thought I'd pass along some suggestions on improving the article.
Lede: Use the opening sentence to better identify the topic, perhaps by alluding to the fact she was speaker. Consider removing the word 'only' from the last sentence. Also remove the redundant citations that are already supported in the body of the article (per
MOS:LEADCITE).
Haven't reach the lead review but agreed, the first sentence should follow
MOS:LEADSENTENCE, and unless the statements are likely to be challenged the lead doesn't need in-line citations.— The
Blue Rider12:33, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Consider merging the 'Early life' and 'Entry into politics' sections.
I wouldn't say her career between 20-31 years old is early life but a «Career» section that encompassed all other career-related sections could be created — The
Blue Rider12:33, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Time in parliament: Consider making the section more concise (see
WP:PL).
WP:PL is an essay and not relevant for GA, but I will take into consideration the conciseness of the prose. — The
Blue Rider12:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)