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Since Ann Bannon is a living person, and has maintained a public persona separate from her private one up until 2 years ago, information about her life is difficult to find. She provides most of that information herself in interviews and her book forwards. In order to improve the article, more than Bannon is needed at a source.
So if you can improve any of the following areas (with sources), that would be helpful:
I'm going to do my best to work on this. I'd appreciate anything anyone else can do too. Moni3 03:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)Moni3
Could you please upload the images to Commons? :-) The Spanish Wikipedia (to which I'm translating this superb article) only uses Commons images. Cheers and thanks in advance! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 13:28, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
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Just checking to make sure nothing else has to be done for this review. -- Moni3 18:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)Moni3
Nothing else to do, I just wanted to wait a little bit to look it over with a morning-fresh pair of eyes to catch anything that I may have missed before. But it's definitely passed now. Thanks very much for all your hard work, and especially your swift response to the hold. You should be proud! VanTucky Talk 01:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Finally I have time to delve in these sections! If I'm being too picky, let me know.
I think these are excellent additions to the article. Not many editors would take the time to add to an article that was already featured. You are one of those rare gems. :) Awadewit ( talk) 17:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
In the first sentence it states that she wrote six novels. Yet only five are listed under The Beebo Brinker Chronicles. What was the sixth novel? HairyWombat ( talk) 15:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I find it strange that the author only lists five on her website. The article might also mention that the book The Beebo Brinker Chronicles is a compilation of only four of the five novels, and excludes Journey to a Woman. HairyWombat ( talk) 15:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I am glad to see this article on the main page, but I too was surprised by a weakness. The main photo was by Tee Corinne, except the name wasn't linked. I thought the photographer notable enough that we would probably have an article on her; I tried to link it and discovered the spelling was wrong, so I corrected that. It is trivial, but nonetheless not what I have come to expect from FAs, especially several hours in, when thousands of people have, presumably, read it. (And TC's Cunt Coloring Book is still in print, and on sale internationally, so it is not as if she is that obscure.) BrainyBabe ( talk) 15:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Isn't the pulp fiction term much older than the 50's? This section seems to be misleading and should be clarified. 76.111.71.133 ( talk) 20:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I just read this article because it was the featured article of the day, but I have to say that it is somewhat lacking.
1) Many of the claims are unreferenced. For example, it is stated two or three times that the author was "stunned" when she learned of the impact her books had on the gay community. Where does this assertion come from?
2) The article contains very little about the author's personal life. At the very least, her husband should be mentioned by name and her marital status listed in the factbox. This is standard procedure for writers (including men - see Ernest Hemingway for example). The article also states that the "difficult" marriage ended in divorce, but does not explain how or why the marriage was difficult.
3) Is she gay? The article doesn't say. Does she / did she have female lovers? The article doesn't say. This is a major oversight for such a lengthy article about a woman who is being held up as a hero for gays. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.240.61.2 ( talk) 03:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Great subject; suspenseful; looks well researched. Congratulations to all involved! But a "featured article" should be copy-edited: no one benefits from sloppy syntax. I fixed a few stylistic problems between "Background" and the 1960 books. It wasn't hard: the ideas are good and clear. Wegesrand ( talk) 09:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I too am rather surprised at the poor quality of this article, and was shocked it was a featured article until I saw it had been promoted in 2007. One of the glaring things I noted was as noted above; the lack of details of her personal life. This really does read as much of a history of the writings of the books she wrote, rather than a biographical article of her. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 13:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the four non-free bookcovers that were on this article. The first two images were used in the sections "Odd Girl Out" and "I Am a Woman", which contain links to the main article for those books where the covers reside. There's no necessity to replicate them here. The second two were used in "Rediscovery" and "Legacy". In the former of those the cover itself was only loosely mentioned, and not specifically. In the latter case, it wasn't mentioned at all. All four of these images were being used decoratively. Further, the objection to covers in bibliographies has some weight here. Also, all four images had rationales that were meaningless to this article stating their use here as acceptable because "It illustrates an educational article about the book from which the cover illustration was taken" and "The image is used as the primary means of visual identification of the article topic". Neither statement is true for the usage on this article, thus all four images fail WP:NFCC requirements for this article. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 13:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I think the covers add substantially to the article and hope they can be re-added. Green Cardamom ( talk) 16:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Bannon clearly belongs in Category:20th-century American novelists. This is a diffusing category. There is no reason to put her in any of that categories parents when she is in that category. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
As far as I know, EGRS resolution has been reached. Are there wider category discussions going on? Span ( talk) 17:41, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
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Since Ann Bannon is a living person, and has maintained a public persona separate from her private one up until 2 years ago, information about her life is difficult to find. She provides most of that information herself in interviews and her book forwards. In order to improve the article, more than Bannon is needed at a source.
So if you can improve any of the following areas (with sources), that would be helpful:
I'm going to do my best to work on this. I'd appreciate anything anyone else can do too. Moni3 03:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)Moni3
Could you please upload the images to Commons? :-) The Spanish Wikipedia (to which I'm translating this superb article) only uses Commons images. Cheers and thanks in advance! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 13:28, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of October 18, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. — VanTucky Talk 23:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
For ease of reading, please place any comments on the review and the completion of any improvements below. Thanks a million! VanTucky Talk
Just checking to make sure nothing else has to be done for this review. -- Moni3 18:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)Moni3
Nothing else to do, I just wanted to wait a little bit to look it over with a morning-fresh pair of eyes to catch anything that I may have missed before. But it's definitely passed now. Thanks very much for all your hard work, and especially your swift response to the hold. You should be proud! VanTucky Talk 01:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Finally I have time to delve in these sections! If I'm being too picky, let me know.
I think these are excellent additions to the article. Not many editors would take the time to add to an article that was already featured. You are one of those rare gems. :) Awadewit ( talk) 17:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
In the first sentence it states that she wrote six novels. Yet only five are listed under The Beebo Brinker Chronicles. What was the sixth novel? HairyWombat ( talk) 15:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I find it strange that the author only lists five on her website. The article might also mention that the book The Beebo Brinker Chronicles is a compilation of only four of the five novels, and excludes Journey to a Woman. HairyWombat ( talk) 15:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I am glad to see this article on the main page, but I too was surprised by a weakness. The main photo was by Tee Corinne, except the name wasn't linked. I thought the photographer notable enough that we would probably have an article on her; I tried to link it and discovered the spelling was wrong, so I corrected that. It is trivial, but nonetheless not what I have come to expect from FAs, especially several hours in, when thousands of people have, presumably, read it. (And TC's Cunt Coloring Book is still in print, and on sale internationally, so it is not as if she is that obscure.) BrainyBabe ( talk) 15:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Isn't the pulp fiction term much older than the 50's? This section seems to be misleading and should be clarified. 76.111.71.133 ( talk) 20:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I just read this article because it was the featured article of the day, but I have to say that it is somewhat lacking.
1) Many of the claims are unreferenced. For example, it is stated two or three times that the author was "stunned" when she learned of the impact her books had on the gay community. Where does this assertion come from?
2) The article contains very little about the author's personal life. At the very least, her husband should be mentioned by name and her marital status listed in the factbox. This is standard procedure for writers (including men - see Ernest Hemingway for example). The article also states that the "difficult" marriage ended in divorce, but does not explain how or why the marriage was difficult.
3) Is she gay? The article doesn't say. Does she / did she have female lovers? The article doesn't say. This is a major oversight for such a lengthy article about a woman who is being held up as a hero for gays. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.240.61.2 ( talk) 03:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Great subject; suspenseful; looks well researched. Congratulations to all involved! But a "featured article" should be copy-edited: no one benefits from sloppy syntax. I fixed a few stylistic problems between "Background" and the 1960 books. It wasn't hard: the ideas are good and clear. Wegesrand ( talk) 09:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I too am rather surprised at the poor quality of this article, and was shocked it was a featured article until I saw it had been promoted in 2007. One of the glaring things I noted was as noted above; the lack of details of her personal life. This really does read as much of a history of the writings of the books she wrote, rather than a biographical article of her. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 13:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the four non-free bookcovers that were on this article. The first two images were used in the sections "Odd Girl Out" and "I Am a Woman", which contain links to the main article for those books where the covers reside. There's no necessity to replicate them here. The second two were used in "Rediscovery" and "Legacy". In the former of those the cover itself was only loosely mentioned, and not specifically. In the latter case, it wasn't mentioned at all. All four of these images were being used decoratively. Further, the objection to covers in bibliographies has some weight here. Also, all four images had rationales that were meaningless to this article stating their use here as acceptable because "It illustrates an educational article about the book from which the cover illustration was taken" and "The image is used as the primary means of visual identification of the article topic". Neither statement is true for the usage on this article, thus all four images fail WP:NFCC requirements for this article. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 13:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I think the covers add substantially to the article and hope they can be re-added. Green Cardamom ( talk) 16:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Bannon clearly belongs in Category:20th-century American novelists. This is a diffusing category. There is no reason to put her in any of that categories parents when she is in that category. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
As far as I know, EGRS resolution has been reached. Are there wider category discussions going on? Span ( talk) 17:41, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
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