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Cited as a source in "A short history of anime." sidebar to Slafkosky, Jenny. "Anime: Popular Japanese animation easy to find." The Oakland Tribune (CA). January 13, 2005. Petersam 01:16, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I propose moving the whole "industry" section to its own page at Anime/Industry. The main reasons:
I also think the "Characteristics" section may be large enough to warrant its own page, but I'm not 100% sure it should be moved to its own page. Please share your thoughts on both of these proposals. -- nihon 18:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Okay, the industry section has been moved to Anime industry. -- nihon 06:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
This section has been moved over to the Talk:Notable anime page because the section was moved to its own article. nihon 16:27, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
I posted this already on Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Anime_Tear_or_Droplet, but I figured I might get a faster response here.
I'm looking for a description of a common Anime/Manga convention. When a character is embarassed or shocked, sometimes a "tear" shape will appear next to their head (similar in placement to a speech bubble). What is the correct name for this symbology? Where did it originate? -- DropDeadGorgias (talk) 14:40, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
One of the external links given at the bottom of the article is good for this kinda thing. -- zippedmartin 13:35, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
The "tear" or "sweat drop" is called "ase" (sweat). Still working on finding a name for the bulging veins. -- nihon 15:35, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I noticed some possible flaws in the Genres section that might warrant discussion. Some I have already edited (how is Neon Genesis Evangelion 'controversial'? Source for this claim or maybe change in word choice seems necessary), but in mentioning the Evas it shows though they are really biological living beings. Is this really pertinent to the larger point, that specific works can often be very hard to categorize? It seems like the discussion of the example Neon Genesis Evangelion as a genre-bending show becomes more an opportunity to talk about the show itself. The last line of the paragraph, This was simply offered as an example of how a series (especially, because of its length, compared to a movie) can encompass many genres, and can be very difficult to classify under any one specific one, I think should be deleted entirely as it is largely redundant. Would others agree that this paragraph could use a bit more streamlining to remain on-topic? NatalieS 00:58, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's worthwhile to have a "critically acclaimed" section - probably just about everything out there has been acclaimed by some critic or another. DenisMoskowitz 14:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
The notable anime section is getting, for lack of a better word, invaded by titles that seemingly have no business being listed, such as Naruto, Crest of the Stars, and The Big O. I suggest a rationale and/or specific criterion to be established before adding to the notable works section. I also recommend an audit the section to try and remove the nonessentials. Ereinion File:Hiveneo.gif 01:46, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
The Notable anime section has been moved to its own article. Work has begun on explanations as to why the works are notable, in order to flesh-out the article and make it more of an article instead of just a list. nihon 17:32, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
why is it... i checked the Anime article it was good and ok, but now ALL CHANGE!
Anyway you people are suppose to move "Groundbreaking anime" into a sub page, it suppose to list the catagory of it like Sci Fi, when someone clicks it will list all Sci fi ground breaking anime, or to consum pages, it should be list of Groundbreaking anime
now lets do some clean up and move some data/information into a subpage and make this anime easy to read ><ino 03:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
ok, but lets do some clean up first, by moving some data that doesn't suppose to be there into a subpage,. thank you:D
><ino
13:35, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that one user I've been keeping an eye on (due to a large amount of silly, arrogant or POV edits) has changed the definition of "Anime" in the anime category from Japanese to "Worldwide" animation.
If Anime refers specifically to Japanese animation, it should be changed back; if it refers to a style of animation originating in Japan, it should be changed to that. Or maybe neither; but "worldwide animation" is meaningless and possibly inaccurate (it doesn't refer to a universal animation style).
I'm not an anime fiend, and I don't intend starting a flame war; I want advice on what to replace this with.
Fourohfour 12:11, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
You are right and also wrong! Anime is a tradition and culture of Japanese. It is called Anime in japanse because it is different from "American" Cartoon. You can notice from the eyes, storyline and plot. Those are the things that makes it different from other cartoons >x<ino 04:01, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Can someone comment to give an idea of the state of anime in Japan (how popular is it compared to conventional films and manga?) -- Genjix
what do you mean? me listing animes that are popular?, a statement of how popular it is or comparison between them
Thanks for feeding back with big details, unforunatly me don't know. But think about it,
Can some one back me up!? >x<ino 15:30, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Nihon, how popular would you say Anime is in respect to the other forms of Japanese media entertainment (i.e. TV programming, movies, comics)? Ereinion 07:38, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I know that based on anecdotal evidence, and some research on the matter, it appears that anime viewership (on TV) is not particularly high, especially among the adult population. What seems more popular are the dorama, variety shows, and game shows. It's also apparent that very few anime series actually spawn animated movies that reach theaters. - Fadeblue 08:04, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
yes yes, lets all believe what we want to believe about Japan
>x<ino 21:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Xino, I have no idea where you're getting you're information about Japan from. It appears to be mostly conjecture based on the anime you've seen, without any actual evidence taken from reality. First of all, adults still watch TV in large numbers (just look at the ratings for some of the most popular dorama and other shows). It's not a question of time; it's the simple fact that the society somewhat frowns upon adults who watch anime, similar to the way Americans believe that cartoons are just for children.
There are many indicators that anime is not as popular in Japan as some people believe. It's more likely for a manga or TV anime to be turned into a live-action movie than it is to be turned into an animated movie. If you look at cultural references among Japanese people, adults are much more likely to be familiar with non-animated shows/characters than with animated shows/characters. The way society is structured, cartooning is viewed as a much less legitimate career than becoming, say, a traditional salaryman. These are just a few examples.
Ereinion, I hope you don't take Xino's statements as being true. About the only thing Xino's said that is accurate is that manga is more popular than anime. - Fadeblue 20:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
and the information i got has nothing to do with anime, beside i havn't seen that much
And yes Adults do watch anime, but still population shows younger viewers watches anime more than anime, and mostly anime are aimed at younger viewers
Anime turned into movie, manga turend into movie, what's the point, all the same, people in japan all want different things, not just manga/tv turned into a movie.
:"I hope you don't take Xino's statements as being true. About the only thing Xino's said that is accurate is that manga is more popular than anime" is that so...
anyway, what is the point of all this!? >x<ino 21:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
ok so we know anime is not mainstream media (less so being popular). How about manga? I remember seeing on TV once that it said manga is hugely popular in Japan and can be found anywhere (with people reading it on the trains compared to novelists in west). Genjix
Yes, anime isn't big/popular in japan, but it is in USA
>x<ino 14:25, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
found this [1], seems to explain it pretty well :), maybe I will add some of these statistics to this article. What programme? it was on UK television about 4 years ago :p Genjix
thanks for the link,
>x<ino 01:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Wow, is this a discussion on the state of anime in Japan or the sociological impact of anime on the average Japanese citizen? Because anime is just another facet of entertainment in Japan. It's like network television in the US, there's a lot of viewers, there's hardcore fans, people with mild interest, etc. I think people's misconception of Japan really starts to show when seeing the assumptions that are being thrown around here. Nihon's pretty right on about his subject matter. But assuming everyone in Japan loves anime and owns a Pokemon collection is akin to saying every American watches reality TV and reads Stephen King. They just don't.
And nihon, your cosplayers can be seen in Shinjuku and your goths in Shibuya. Or during the particularly lovely spring months Hibiya Park is a good place. Especially when the fashion shows are going on. Gibson Cowboy 09:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Although the article in some ways seems to lean toward the idea that characters in anime are not neccessarily European, a Chinese/Japanese friend of mine says that they are indeed supposed to be European. I think there is evidence for both conclusions, but I also think that if the article says that most Japanese do not see the characters as being European, the support for this view should come from a source representative of the Japanese public, and not from a cultural anthropologist with inherent multicultarist bias. Theshibboleth 06:00, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
same here, and no, the characters are not meant to be European, they are suppose to be japanese, with the eyes, stuff they do. But some anime are different, some of them are european >x<ino 07:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Taking Excel Saga as an example, the whole anime is set in F City, Japan yet 'most' of the character's bear little strikingly Japanese characteristics - the main character has blonde hair and blue eyes. Pedro the foreign worker also doesn't have that many 'foreign' defining features (except looking slightly spanish by having darker skin). I think there is little thought about this from the artists (as they do have a tendency to edit backstory .etc). Again taking RahXephon (a realistic setting anime), we see Tokyo as having what seems european characters to me (mixes of blonde, brown and black hair), but this doesn't mean they are european, and that Japanese percieve them as so.
Gibson Cowboy 10:00, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Remembering that wikipedia is an encyclopedia, are all these links relevant to the topic? - Squilibob 08:37, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Nihonjoe, I think you should Stop erasing the www.animegig.com link I am placing here in the Anime article that leads to the online galleries of AnimeGIG.com. The first time, by mistake I placed it to the home page of AnimeGIG.com (but that’s no reason to erase it or to declare me as a SPAMMER when you and I have the same rights to add related content to this article.)
I added the link for a second time, this time pointing it to the correct location, and under the categories link, and you still went and deleted it again.
I am not trying to spam, I am trying to add related content.
My user name is Sarpicaste !
Well no hard feelings, because life is to short to get mad at things like this. but I hope it does not happen again. I will keep my part of the deal. Good day everyone!-- Sarpicaste 09:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Done! I added the cat and placed the link, thanks! -- Sarpicaste 10:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
The characteristics section is fairly long. I have added some subcatagories and move some things around so that it flows properly when reading it. (It keep straying back to the subject of style). The Big Eyes part of the article doesn't seem to fit where it is. I don't really know where to move it - Squilibob 10:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | → | Archive 10 |
Cited as a source in "A short history of anime." sidebar to Slafkosky, Jenny. "Anime: Popular Japanese animation easy to find." The Oakland Tribune (CA). January 13, 2005. Petersam 01:16, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I propose moving the whole "industry" section to its own page at Anime/Industry. The main reasons:
I also think the "Characteristics" section may be large enough to warrant its own page, but I'm not 100% sure it should be moved to its own page. Please share your thoughts on both of these proposals. -- nihon 18:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Okay, the industry section has been moved to Anime industry. -- nihon 06:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
This section has been moved over to the Talk:Notable anime page because the section was moved to its own article. nihon 16:27, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
I posted this already on Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Anime_Tear_or_Droplet, but I figured I might get a faster response here.
I'm looking for a description of a common Anime/Manga convention. When a character is embarassed or shocked, sometimes a "tear" shape will appear next to their head (similar in placement to a speech bubble). What is the correct name for this symbology? Where did it originate? -- DropDeadGorgias (talk) 14:40, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
One of the external links given at the bottom of the article is good for this kinda thing. -- zippedmartin 13:35, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
The "tear" or "sweat drop" is called "ase" (sweat). Still working on finding a name for the bulging veins. -- nihon 15:35, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I noticed some possible flaws in the Genres section that might warrant discussion. Some I have already edited (how is Neon Genesis Evangelion 'controversial'? Source for this claim or maybe change in word choice seems necessary), but in mentioning the Evas it shows though they are really biological living beings. Is this really pertinent to the larger point, that specific works can often be very hard to categorize? It seems like the discussion of the example Neon Genesis Evangelion as a genre-bending show becomes more an opportunity to talk about the show itself. The last line of the paragraph, This was simply offered as an example of how a series (especially, because of its length, compared to a movie) can encompass many genres, and can be very difficult to classify under any one specific one, I think should be deleted entirely as it is largely redundant. Would others agree that this paragraph could use a bit more streamlining to remain on-topic? NatalieS 00:58, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's worthwhile to have a "critically acclaimed" section - probably just about everything out there has been acclaimed by some critic or another. DenisMoskowitz 14:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
The notable anime section is getting, for lack of a better word, invaded by titles that seemingly have no business being listed, such as Naruto, Crest of the Stars, and The Big O. I suggest a rationale and/or specific criterion to be established before adding to the notable works section. I also recommend an audit the section to try and remove the nonessentials. Ereinion File:Hiveneo.gif 01:46, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
The Notable anime section has been moved to its own article. Work has begun on explanations as to why the works are notable, in order to flesh-out the article and make it more of an article instead of just a list. nihon 17:32, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
why is it... i checked the Anime article it was good and ok, but now ALL CHANGE!
Anyway you people are suppose to move "Groundbreaking anime" into a sub page, it suppose to list the catagory of it like Sci Fi, when someone clicks it will list all Sci fi ground breaking anime, or to consum pages, it should be list of Groundbreaking anime
now lets do some clean up and move some data/information into a subpage and make this anime easy to read ><ino 03:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
ok, but lets do some clean up first, by moving some data that doesn't suppose to be there into a subpage,. thank you:D
><ino
13:35, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that one user I've been keeping an eye on (due to a large amount of silly, arrogant or POV edits) has changed the definition of "Anime" in the anime category from Japanese to "Worldwide" animation.
If Anime refers specifically to Japanese animation, it should be changed back; if it refers to a style of animation originating in Japan, it should be changed to that. Or maybe neither; but "worldwide animation" is meaningless and possibly inaccurate (it doesn't refer to a universal animation style).
I'm not an anime fiend, and I don't intend starting a flame war; I want advice on what to replace this with.
Fourohfour 12:11, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
You are right and also wrong! Anime is a tradition and culture of Japanese. It is called Anime in japanse because it is different from "American" Cartoon. You can notice from the eyes, storyline and plot. Those are the things that makes it different from other cartoons >x<ino 04:01, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Can someone comment to give an idea of the state of anime in Japan (how popular is it compared to conventional films and manga?) -- Genjix
what do you mean? me listing animes that are popular?, a statement of how popular it is or comparison between them
Thanks for feeding back with big details, unforunatly me don't know. But think about it,
Can some one back me up!? >x<ino 15:30, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Nihon, how popular would you say Anime is in respect to the other forms of Japanese media entertainment (i.e. TV programming, movies, comics)? Ereinion 07:38, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I know that based on anecdotal evidence, and some research on the matter, it appears that anime viewership (on TV) is not particularly high, especially among the adult population. What seems more popular are the dorama, variety shows, and game shows. It's also apparent that very few anime series actually spawn animated movies that reach theaters. - Fadeblue 08:04, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
yes yes, lets all believe what we want to believe about Japan
>x<ino 21:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Xino, I have no idea where you're getting you're information about Japan from. It appears to be mostly conjecture based on the anime you've seen, without any actual evidence taken from reality. First of all, adults still watch TV in large numbers (just look at the ratings for some of the most popular dorama and other shows). It's not a question of time; it's the simple fact that the society somewhat frowns upon adults who watch anime, similar to the way Americans believe that cartoons are just for children.
There are many indicators that anime is not as popular in Japan as some people believe. It's more likely for a manga or TV anime to be turned into a live-action movie than it is to be turned into an animated movie. If you look at cultural references among Japanese people, adults are much more likely to be familiar with non-animated shows/characters than with animated shows/characters. The way society is structured, cartooning is viewed as a much less legitimate career than becoming, say, a traditional salaryman. These are just a few examples.
Ereinion, I hope you don't take Xino's statements as being true. About the only thing Xino's said that is accurate is that manga is more popular than anime. - Fadeblue 20:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
and the information i got has nothing to do with anime, beside i havn't seen that much
And yes Adults do watch anime, but still population shows younger viewers watches anime more than anime, and mostly anime are aimed at younger viewers
Anime turned into movie, manga turend into movie, what's the point, all the same, people in japan all want different things, not just manga/tv turned into a movie.
:"I hope you don't take Xino's statements as being true. About the only thing Xino's said that is accurate is that manga is more popular than anime" is that so...
anyway, what is the point of all this!? >x<ino 21:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
ok so we know anime is not mainstream media (less so being popular). How about manga? I remember seeing on TV once that it said manga is hugely popular in Japan and can be found anywhere (with people reading it on the trains compared to novelists in west). Genjix
Yes, anime isn't big/popular in japan, but it is in USA
>x<ino 14:25, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
found this [1], seems to explain it pretty well :), maybe I will add some of these statistics to this article. What programme? it was on UK television about 4 years ago :p Genjix
thanks for the link,
>x<ino 01:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Wow, is this a discussion on the state of anime in Japan or the sociological impact of anime on the average Japanese citizen? Because anime is just another facet of entertainment in Japan. It's like network television in the US, there's a lot of viewers, there's hardcore fans, people with mild interest, etc. I think people's misconception of Japan really starts to show when seeing the assumptions that are being thrown around here. Nihon's pretty right on about his subject matter. But assuming everyone in Japan loves anime and owns a Pokemon collection is akin to saying every American watches reality TV and reads Stephen King. They just don't.
And nihon, your cosplayers can be seen in Shinjuku and your goths in Shibuya. Or during the particularly lovely spring months Hibiya Park is a good place. Especially when the fashion shows are going on. Gibson Cowboy 09:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Although the article in some ways seems to lean toward the idea that characters in anime are not neccessarily European, a Chinese/Japanese friend of mine says that they are indeed supposed to be European. I think there is evidence for both conclusions, but I also think that if the article says that most Japanese do not see the characters as being European, the support for this view should come from a source representative of the Japanese public, and not from a cultural anthropologist with inherent multicultarist bias. Theshibboleth 06:00, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
same here, and no, the characters are not meant to be European, they are suppose to be japanese, with the eyes, stuff they do. But some anime are different, some of them are european >x<ino 07:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Taking Excel Saga as an example, the whole anime is set in F City, Japan yet 'most' of the character's bear little strikingly Japanese characteristics - the main character has blonde hair and blue eyes. Pedro the foreign worker also doesn't have that many 'foreign' defining features (except looking slightly spanish by having darker skin). I think there is little thought about this from the artists (as they do have a tendency to edit backstory .etc). Again taking RahXephon (a realistic setting anime), we see Tokyo as having what seems european characters to me (mixes of blonde, brown and black hair), but this doesn't mean they are european, and that Japanese percieve them as so.
Gibson Cowboy 10:00, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Remembering that wikipedia is an encyclopedia, are all these links relevant to the topic? - Squilibob 08:37, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Nihonjoe, I think you should Stop erasing the www.animegig.com link I am placing here in the Anime article that leads to the online galleries of AnimeGIG.com. The first time, by mistake I placed it to the home page of AnimeGIG.com (but that’s no reason to erase it or to declare me as a SPAMMER when you and I have the same rights to add related content to this article.)
I added the link for a second time, this time pointing it to the correct location, and under the categories link, and you still went and deleted it again.
I am not trying to spam, I am trying to add related content.
My user name is Sarpicaste !
Well no hard feelings, because life is to short to get mad at things like this. but I hope it does not happen again. I will keep my part of the deal. Good day everyone!-- Sarpicaste 09:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Done! I added the cat and placed the link, thanks! -- Sarpicaste 10:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
The characteristics section is fairly long. I have added some subcatagories and move some things around so that it flows properly when reading it. (It keep straying back to the subject of style). The Big Eyes part of the article doesn't seem to fit where it is. I don't really know where to move it - Squilibob 10:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)