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British-Spanish relations is the current UK Collaboration of the Fortnight. This will no doubt be of interest to some people who have this page on their watchlists. Secretlondon 13:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that by this point England was described as under the Cromwellian Protectorate, no longer referred to as Commonwealth in the strictest sense...
This is written as if we know that Cromwell just decided on his own to enter a major war for only one reason. Even if that's true I can't imagine how it would be possible to know it unless Cromwell said something in public like, "I got us into the war entirely on my own initiative and only to rob the Spanish colonies." Maybe someone better at writing than I am could rephrase it to acknowledge that different people in England could have different motives for the war and one person could have more than one motive at the same time.
Abu America ( talk) 05:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Cromwell actually discussed his motivations pretty candidly and at length with his Council of State prior to getting involved. See The Clarke Papers edited by C.H. Firth in the Royal Historical Society's published manuscripts. Basically, he felt that war with either Spain or France was inevitable, and that the two nations needed to be kept from allying with each other at all costs. Catholic Spain was a greater enemy to Protestantism than France, and fighting against Spain would theoretically pay for itself, especially if the Plate Fleet was captured. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.250.20 ( talk) 20:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
There does not seem to be a clear victor in this war. And the editors involved in that section need to stop edit warring with constant reverts see: WP:3RR and WP:RV. Use this talk page to come to a consensus based on sources. Include direct quotations to support references to contended conclusions not just page numbers. Tttom1 ( talk) 14:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Spain had long been war weary, exhausted and wracked by internal division, its fleets rundown. Cromwell is the little thug who sees his chance to put the boot into somebody who's already down and then crow about it. To blow it up into England tilting the balance of power or causing the war to turn sour for the Spanish, long after it had done so, is misleading nonsense. In the context of international realpolitic one cannot fault Cromwell for seizing the opportunity. But it had been obvious, long before his involvement, during the last years of the 30 years war and throughout the Franco-Spanish war 1635-1659 that Spain was a power on the slide. Does anybody really think that if Cromwell hadn't become involved that the course of history at that stage would have been much different? LOL! Provocateur ( talk)
That sound like a petty excuse for a proud Spanish person to try and deny a defeat in a war, why would a book with the headings israel, focus on a war between two irrelevant countries battling in the Caribbeans, there's more references saying a English victory than indecisive, we have to put up with Spain saying the Anglo-Spanish war in the 1500s was favorable to Spain, when it was pretty much indecisive, why don't the people on here just admit that it was an English victory, the Same user by the name of El Buffon has been doing nothing on Wikipedia but Editing English victories as Indecisive, I once went into an edit war with him on the siege of Gibraltar 1727, were he kept erasing British victory and putting called of by Spain, I think it's best this man be blocked and his account suspended, he clearly has Anglophobic feelings 86.186.3.245 ( talk) 21:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Corrected the claim that Blake's destruction of the "Spanish West Indian Fleet" and his destruction of the convoy at Santa Cruz were seperate events - repeated here three times. The "Spanish West Indian Fleet" was a convoy, or so called "treasure fleet" of heavily armed merchant vessels. Obviously previous editors thought it was a fleet of warships patrolling the West Indies and seperate from the convoy destroyed in the Canary Islands. The result, a victory claimed for Blake in West Indian waters against the "Spanish West Indian Fleet" and two claimed in "European waters", including one at Santa Cruz. (Can Santa Cruz in the Canaries really be called "European waters"?)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. — ΛΧΣ 21 01:39, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Anglo-Spanish War (1654–60) →
Anglo-Spanish War (1655–60) – This war began in 1655. The attacks on Santo Domingo and Jamaica, both in 1655, provoked the war. No actions were fought in 1654. There is no reference to 1654 that I can see. See
[1] for more. Relisted.
Favonian (
talk) 13:22, 6 September 2013 (UTC).
King Philip V of Spain (
talk)
15:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
in England 162.216.161.34 ( talk) 11:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
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British-Spanish relations is the current UK Collaboration of the Fortnight. This will no doubt be of interest to some people who have this page on their watchlists. Secretlondon 13:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that by this point England was described as under the Cromwellian Protectorate, no longer referred to as Commonwealth in the strictest sense...
This is written as if we know that Cromwell just decided on his own to enter a major war for only one reason. Even if that's true I can't imagine how it would be possible to know it unless Cromwell said something in public like, "I got us into the war entirely on my own initiative and only to rob the Spanish colonies." Maybe someone better at writing than I am could rephrase it to acknowledge that different people in England could have different motives for the war and one person could have more than one motive at the same time.
Abu America ( talk) 05:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Cromwell actually discussed his motivations pretty candidly and at length with his Council of State prior to getting involved. See The Clarke Papers edited by C.H. Firth in the Royal Historical Society's published manuscripts. Basically, he felt that war with either Spain or France was inevitable, and that the two nations needed to be kept from allying with each other at all costs. Catholic Spain was a greater enemy to Protestantism than France, and fighting against Spain would theoretically pay for itself, especially if the Plate Fleet was captured. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.250.20 ( talk) 20:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
There does not seem to be a clear victor in this war. And the editors involved in that section need to stop edit warring with constant reverts see: WP:3RR and WP:RV. Use this talk page to come to a consensus based on sources. Include direct quotations to support references to contended conclusions not just page numbers. Tttom1 ( talk) 14:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Spain had long been war weary, exhausted and wracked by internal division, its fleets rundown. Cromwell is the little thug who sees his chance to put the boot into somebody who's already down and then crow about it. To blow it up into England tilting the balance of power or causing the war to turn sour for the Spanish, long after it had done so, is misleading nonsense. In the context of international realpolitic one cannot fault Cromwell for seizing the opportunity. But it had been obvious, long before his involvement, during the last years of the 30 years war and throughout the Franco-Spanish war 1635-1659 that Spain was a power on the slide. Does anybody really think that if Cromwell hadn't become involved that the course of history at that stage would have been much different? LOL! Provocateur ( talk)
That sound like a petty excuse for a proud Spanish person to try and deny a defeat in a war, why would a book with the headings israel, focus on a war between two irrelevant countries battling in the Caribbeans, there's more references saying a English victory than indecisive, we have to put up with Spain saying the Anglo-Spanish war in the 1500s was favorable to Spain, when it was pretty much indecisive, why don't the people on here just admit that it was an English victory, the Same user by the name of El Buffon has been doing nothing on Wikipedia but Editing English victories as Indecisive, I once went into an edit war with him on the siege of Gibraltar 1727, were he kept erasing British victory and putting called of by Spain, I think it's best this man be blocked and his account suspended, he clearly has Anglophobic feelings 86.186.3.245 ( talk) 21:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Corrected the claim that Blake's destruction of the "Spanish West Indian Fleet" and his destruction of the convoy at Santa Cruz were seperate events - repeated here three times. The "Spanish West Indian Fleet" was a convoy, or so called "treasure fleet" of heavily armed merchant vessels. Obviously previous editors thought it was a fleet of warships patrolling the West Indies and seperate from the convoy destroyed in the Canary Islands. The result, a victory claimed for Blake in West Indian waters against the "Spanish West Indian Fleet" and two claimed in "European waters", including one at Santa Cruz. (Can Santa Cruz in the Canaries really be called "European waters"?)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. — ΛΧΣ 21 01:39, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Anglo-Spanish War (1654–60) →
Anglo-Spanish War (1655–60) – This war began in 1655. The attacks on Santo Domingo and Jamaica, both in 1655, provoked the war. No actions were fought in 1654. There is no reference to 1654 that I can see. See
[1] for more. Relisted.
Favonian (
talk) 13:22, 6 September 2013 (UTC).
King Philip V of Spain (
talk)
15:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
in England 162.216.161.34 ( talk) 11:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)