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{{cite news | url=http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/vatican-releases-rules-ex-anglicans-insists-no-change-celibacy | title= Vatican releases rules for ex-Anglicans, insists 'no change' on celibacy | last=Allen | first=John L. | publisher=[[National Catholic Reporter]] | date=2009-11-09 | accessdate=2009-11-09 | authorlink=John L. Allen, Jr.}}
Yes it's a blog but Allen is one of the best Catholic journalists in the world. For factual information it is fine. Baccyak4H ( Yak!) 02:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
This is somewhat confusing, are the Anglican Use groups going to be part of this too? - Yorkshirian ( talk) 22:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
IX. the lay faithful ... originally part of the Anglican Communion, who wish to enter the Personal Ordinariate, must manifest this desire in writing.
Article 5 §1. The lay faithful originally of the Anglican tradition who wish to belong to the Ordinariate, after having made their Profession of Faith and received the Sacraments of Initiation, with due regard for Canon 845, are to be entered in the apposite register of the Ordinariate. Those baptized previously as Catholics outside the Ordinariate are not ordinarily eligible for membership, unless they are members of a family belonging to the Ordinariate.
It is a very odd situation that ordinariates (which have all administrative attributions of a bishop) can be simple priests. The reason why priests can be ordinariates is most probably that married Anglican bishops cannot be ordered as Catholic bishops, but this rule must not lead to the beheading of Anglican communities when their natural leader is married. Given the rules formulated by Anglicanorum Coetibus and the complementary norms, married Anglican bishops are given nearly all attributions of Catholic bishops, the only restriction being that they cannot consecrate priests (that can only be done by a full-fledged bishop). Michelet-密是力- Me laisser un message 07:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Would whoever attached the tag complaining of too much jargon please be specific, so that we can attend to the matter. Technical language is unavoidable when dealing with technical matters, whether in physical sciences such as chemistry or in the legal questions of canon law. Esoglou ( talk) 18:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
My understanding is that creation of the Anglican Ordinariates is a response from the Vatican to more than the request from the TAC. Others were certainly asking that question including Anglican Use Catholics, other Continuing Anglican groups, and members of the Anglican Communion? How do we include all of these streams? Currently the background section reads as if it is only a response to the TAC. However we do not want a very lengthy section especially since it is such a new decision and much of the background is not known yet.
What are some of the other groups outside of the TAC that have been in conversation with the Vatican?-- Bruce Hall ( talk) 16:44, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
This shares much of the same information as in in the Personal ordinariate article. Do we need two articles? How do we make sure that they are not duplicate efforts? -- Bruce Hall ( talk) 17:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Anglicanorum Coetibus is an apostolic constitution of the Holy See. As a major official document of the pontificate of Benedict XVI, it certainly meets the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. Perhaps the previous article that was located at Anglicanorum Coetibus dealt more with the personal ordinariates than with the apostolic constitution itself. Perhaps its content should have been merged. However, there should be a article on the apostolic constitution itself, and editors should be careful to exclude information on the implementation of the personal ordinariates. If you're going to merge Anglicanorum Coetibus into Personal ordinariate, then according to the same logic, Summorum Pontificum should be merged into Tridentine Mass, and Humanae Vitae should be merged into birth control. Editors should removed content (especially speculative content) on the Anglican ordinariates from the article on the apostolic constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus, but still, we need to have an article on the apostolic constitution itself at the appropriate namespace. I will leave this here for a few days for comments. The text of the article I proposed can be found here [1]. 5-HT8 ( talk) 19:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
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{{cite news | url=http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/vatican-releases-rules-ex-anglicans-insists-no-change-celibacy | title= Vatican releases rules for ex-Anglicans, insists 'no change' on celibacy | last=Allen | first=John L. | publisher=[[National Catholic Reporter]] | date=2009-11-09 | accessdate=2009-11-09 | authorlink=John L. Allen, Jr.}}
Yes it's a blog but Allen is one of the best Catholic journalists in the world. For factual information it is fine. Baccyak4H ( Yak!) 02:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
This is somewhat confusing, are the Anglican Use groups going to be part of this too? - Yorkshirian ( talk) 22:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
IX. the lay faithful ... originally part of the Anglican Communion, who wish to enter the Personal Ordinariate, must manifest this desire in writing.
Article 5 §1. The lay faithful originally of the Anglican tradition who wish to belong to the Ordinariate, after having made their Profession of Faith and received the Sacraments of Initiation, with due regard for Canon 845, are to be entered in the apposite register of the Ordinariate. Those baptized previously as Catholics outside the Ordinariate are not ordinarily eligible for membership, unless they are members of a family belonging to the Ordinariate.
It is a very odd situation that ordinariates (which have all administrative attributions of a bishop) can be simple priests. The reason why priests can be ordinariates is most probably that married Anglican bishops cannot be ordered as Catholic bishops, but this rule must not lead to the beheading of Anglican communities when their natural leader is married. Given the rules formulated by Anglicanorum Coetibus and the complementary norms, married Anglican bishops are given nearly all attributions of Catholic bishops, the only restriction being that they cannot consecrate priests (that can only be done by a full-fledged bishop). Michelet-密是力- Me laisser un message 07:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Would whoever attached the tag complaining of too much jargon please be specific, so that we can attend to the matter. Technical language is unavoidable when dealing with technical matters, whether in physical sciences such as chemistry or in the legal questions of canon law. Esoglou ( talk) 18:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
My understanding is that creation of the Anglican Ordinariates is a response from the Vatican to more than the request from the TAC. Others were certainly asking that question including Anglican Use Catholics, other Continuing Anglican groups, and members of the Anglican Communion? How do we include all of these streams? Currently the background section reads as if it is only a response to the TAC. However we do not want a very lengthy section especially since it is such a new decision and much of the background is not known yet.
What are some of the other groups outside of the TAC that have been in conversation with the Vatican?-- Bruce Hall ( talk) 16:44, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
This shares much of the same information as in in the Personal ordinariate article. Do we need two articles? How do we make sure that they are not duplicate efforts? -- Bruce Hall ( talk) 17:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Anglicanorum Coetibus is an apostolic constitution of the Holy See. As a major official document of the pontificate of Benedict XVI, it certainly meets the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. Perhaps the previous article that was located at Anglicanorum Coetibus dealt more with the personal ordinariates than with the apostolic constitution itself. Perhaps its content should have been merged. However, there should be a article on the apostolic constitution itself, and editors should be careful to exclude information on the implementation of the personal ordinariates. If you're going to merge Anglicanorum Coetibus into Personal ordinariate, then according to the same logic, Summorum Pontificum should be merged into Tridentine Mass, and Humanae Vitae should be merged into birth control. Editors should removed content (especially speculative content) on the Anglican ordinariates from the article on the apostolic constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus, but still, we need to have an article on the apostolic constitution itself at the appropriate namespace. I will leave this here for a few days for comments. The text of the article I proposed can be found here [1]. 5-HT8 ( talk) 19:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC)