Someone (an anonymous user?) kept editing this page to change "Angels and Airwaves are" to "Angels and Airwaves is". To my knowledge "Angels and Airwaves are" as a usage is correct because the band's name is plural and I cannot even imagine that it is correct to say "Angels and Airwaves is". Next time this page is reverted as "Angels and Airwaves are" to "Angels and Airwaves is", I am going to add dispute sign. For the last time, "Angels and Airwaves are" as a usage is correct because the band's name is plural and I am really getting tired of changing it. Alex 101 20:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not the guy who keeps changing it, but this has me pretty curious. I don't think it really makes a difference, they're probably both right. The first example I could think of off the top of my head is Mothers Against Drinking and Driving. MADD "is" a non-profit organization. Mothers Against Drinking and Driving "are" a non-profit organization. The first refers to the group as a single thing, the second refers to the people in the group. Both would probably be correct. In this case are we talking about the band or the people in the band? It's pretty much the same thing so I don't think it matters. I also just looked at what other people have written for the articles of other bands with these kind of names, some have "is", others have "are". Doesn't make a difference. --
Z2000 03:20, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that people in the UK use "are" and people in the the USA use "is" for groups. So both and neither are correct, technically. Crazyale 00:01, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
I really think it should be "is," not "are." Angels and Airwaves is not plural. It is a proper noun referring to a single entity, in this case a band, and therefore "is" should be used. Using a different word, like has, you can see the usage again. You would say "Angels and Airwaves has become quite popular among blink fans," not "Angels and Airwaves have become..." This same idea should be used with is/are in this context. Drewface 00:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I think that both ways are proper in this case, but I think that this discussion is stupid, immature and full of shit. So, I just want to keep me hands out of this. I call upon the people here to act maturely and to stop talking bullshit and get on with embettering the article, FFS!!!
Painbearer
this is the lamest edit war i've ever seen, and i've been around for over two years. for the record, on the issue of whether "are" or "is" should be used (the issue that was apparently so important that it required ALL CAPS DEATH THREATS), the article on American and British English differences says:
In British English, singular nouns that describe multiple people are often treated as plural, particularly where one is concerned with the people constituting the team, rather than with the team as an entity. The singular form is usually used in American."
and even gives a band as an example of this usage:
British English: "The Clash are a well-known band." American English: "The Clash is a well-known band."
the Wikipedia Manual of Style has a great deal of well-thought-out advice on how to decide which variety to use. — Charles P._ (Mirv) 01:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Good find, Mirv. According to what the
Wikipedia Manual of Style has to say, I think American english (that means "is," not "are") should be used for this article. I think this because:
1. This is an American band based out of California, and
2. The rest of this article is written in American english
If this was a British band, I'd vote to use "are." It seems that the majority of the people here are either for using "is" or don't care either way, so, once again, I say we go with "is."
Drewface 01:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to disagree with you all (especially you Drewface) but "are" is right, NOT "is". I'm sorry but this page has to stay like this: "Angels and Airwaves are" from now on. I have a few sources that say "Angels and Airwaves are" and I would be happy to prove that "are" is right right now if that means stop vandalizing this page. Hope you'll be surprised by what you see, Drewface:
So are you happy now? See what did I tell you, "are" is right not "is". Anyone who changes "are" to "is" for one last time deserves to be reported for vandalism (especially you Drewface). Alex 101 23:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
There are more Google hits for "Angels and Airwaves is" than for "Angels and Airwaves are", although neither one is very significant, as nor is the band. User:Zoe| (talk) 00:23, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Sex Pistols, Ramones, and The Dandy Warhols, among others, use 'are' and 'were' when referring to the groups. Unless you guys are going to start expanding your edit war to those five pages, it should be 'are' on this page, as well. tv316 15:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank goodness someone is intelligent enough to use "is"—there are a few of us out there! Just because a band's name ends with "s" doesn't mean it's plural! I had a war with this back in January because several ignorant people weighed in and decided that a band's name ending with "s" should be plural. Alex 101 changed all of my copyedits back to "are" when it should be "is." I agree with Drewface 100 percent, "is" is correct! I feel much better that I am not the only one going around changing "are" to "is" for American bands. Just because other articles use "are" doesn't mean they are correct—very few people know how to use collective nouns correctly! — RJN 10:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I can't believe that this is an argument. Its simply UK vs US english. It's the same deal when refering to large companies. "Wendy's are based in .." vs "Wendy's is based in" UK refers to all the people in the company (are) while the US refers to it as a legal entity (is). Same with music. Jamesinclair 04:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
"Is" is right because Angels and Airwaves is one (1) band. The Ramones use "are" because there is more than one Ramone.
You know to be quiet honest who realy cares about if its "Angels and Airwaves are" or if its "Angels and Airwaves is" the point is that this discussion page should not be about puntution or spelling or any bull$#it like that.The point is that it should be about releases and other headlined news not wastes of space like this.
Wow congrats on the stupidest argument i have ever witnessed in my entire life....ARE any of u in the know when it comes to the song "The WAR" has anyone heard about it being released...if so where?
ROFL
Amen.
Someone (an anonymous user?) kept editing this page to change "Angels and Airwaves are" to "Angels and Airwaves is". To my knowledge "Angels and Airwaves are" as a usage is correct because the band's name is plural and I cannot even imagine that it is correct to say "Angels and Airwaves is". Next time this page is reverted as "Angels and Airwaves are" to "Angels and Airwaves is", I am going to add dispute sign. For the last time, "Angels and Airwaves are" as a usage is correct because the band's name is plural and I am really getting tired of changing it. Alex 101 20:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not the guy who keeps changing it, but this has me pretty curious. I don't think it really makes a difference, they're probably both right. The first example I could think of off the top of my head is Mothers Against Drinking and Driving. MADD "is" a non-profit organization. Mothers Against Drinking and Driving "are" a non-profit organization. The first refers to the group as a single thing, the second refers to the people in the group. Both would probably be correct. In this case are we talking about the band or the people in the band? It's pretty much the same thing so I don't think it matters. I also just looked at what other people have written for the articles of other bands with these kind of names, some have "is", others have "are". Doesn't make a difference. --
Z2000 03:20, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that people in the UK use "are" and people in the the USA use "is" for groups. So both and neither are correct, technically. Crazyale 00:01, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
I really think it should be "is," not "are." Angels and Airwaves is not plural. It is a proper noun referring to a single entity, in this case a band, and therefore "is" should be used. Using a different word, like has, you can see the usage again. You would say "Angels and Airwaves has become quite popular among blink fans," not "Angels and Airwaves have become..." This same idea should be used with is/are in this context. Drewface 00:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I think that both ways are proper in this case, but I think that this discussion is stupid, immature and full of shit. So, I just want to keep me hands out of this. I call upon the people here to act maturely and to stop talking bullshit and get on with embettering the article, FFS!!!
Painbearer
this is the lamest edit war i've ever seen, and i've been around for over two years. for the record, on the issue of whether "are" or "is" should be used (the issue that was apparently so important that it required ALL CAPS DEATH THREATS), the article on American and British English differences says:
In British English, singular nouns that describe multiple people are often treated as plural, particularly where one is concerned with the people constituting the team, rather than with the team as an entity. The singular form is usually used in American."
and even gives a band as an example of this usage:
British English: "The Clash are a well-known band." American English: "The Clash is a well-known band."
the Wikipedia Manual of Style has a great deal of well-thought-out advice on how to decide which variety to use. — Charles P._ (Mirv) 01:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Good find, Mirv. According to what the
Wikipedia Manual of Style has to say, I think American english (that means "is," not "are") should be used for this article. I think this because:
1. This is an American band based out of California, and
2. The rest of this article is written in American english
If this was a British band, I'd vote to use "are." It seems that the majority of the people here are either for using "is" or don't care either way, so, once again, I say we go with "is."
Drewface 01:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to disagree with you all (especially you Drewface) but "are" is right, NOT "is". I'm sorry but this page has to stay like this: "Angels and Airwaves are" from now on. I have a few sources that say "Angels and Airwaves are" and I would be happy to prove that "are" is right right now if that means stop vandalizing this page. Hope you'll be surprised by what you see, Drewface:
So are you happy now? See what did I tell you, "are" is right not "is". Anyone who changes "are" to "is" for one last time deserves to be reported for vandalism (especially you Drewface). Alex 101 23:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
There are more Google hits for "Angels and Airwaves is" than for "Angels and Airwaves are", although neither one is very significant, as nor is the band. User:Zoe| (talk) 00:23, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Sex Pistols, Ramones, and The Dandy Warhols, among others, use 'are' and 'were' when referring to the groups. Unless you guys are going to start expanding your edit war to those five pages, it should be 'are' on this page, as well. tv316 15:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank goodness someone is intelligent enough to use "is"—there are a few of us out there! Just because a band's name ends with "s" doesn't mean it's plural! I had a war with this back in January because several ignorant people weighed in and decided that a band's name ending with "s" should be plural. Alex 101 changed all of my copyedits back to "are" when it should be "is." I agree with Drewface 100 percent, "is" is correct! I feel much better that I am not the only one going around changing "are" to "is" for American bands. Just because other articles use "are" doesn't mean they are correct—very few people know how to use collective nouns correctly! — RJN 10:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I can't believe that this is an argument. Its simply UK vs US english. It's the same deal when refering to large companies. "Wendy's are based in .." vs "Wendy's is based in" UK refers to all the people in the company (are) while the US refers to it as a legal entity (is). Same with music. Jamesinclair 04:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
"Is" is right because Angels and Airwaves is one (1) band. The Ramones use "are" because there is more than one Ramone.
You know to be quiet honest who realy cares about if its "Angels and Airwaves are" or if its "Angels and Airwaves is" the point is that this discussion page should not be about puntution or spelling or any bull$#it like that.The point is that it should be about releases and other headlined news not wastes of space like this.
Wow congrats on the stupidest argument i have ever witnessed in my entire life....ARE any of u in the know when it comes to the song "The WAR" has anyone heard about it being released...if so where?
ROFL
Amen.