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The original lyric was 'I'm loving an angel instead...', as the tune was a love song to Heffernan's girlfriend, dedicated to the memory of their child who had recently died in hospital.
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There has been huge expose that Williams did not write the song and it was Ray Heffernan from Dublin who never has been recognised by williams. And all mention of this keeps getting deleted from this page. Perhaps other more frequent editors can help protect the page from the editor or editors deleting this Tommyxx ( talk) 12:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC) Tommyxx ( talk) 12:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
No it's extremely controversial. If there is any then there should be a different page on this conflict, but there should be nothing like that on the song here, because it isn't 100% proven.-- Trulystand700 ( talk) 01:22, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
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For those trying to say Ray Heffernan is a credited songwriter please note, there's no evidence other than his claim (primary source). Robbie is on record denying Heffernan's claim. I have no problem including the claims from Heffernan in the article, it's a well known story (controversy section?), but he can't be listed as an official songwriter. There's no evidence or confirmation other than his claim, that's how it has to be presented. Dkspartan1835 ( talk) 17:02, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Personally I'm ok with my presence here and have helped contribute to Wikipedia and will continue to do so but thanks for your concern. NZFC (talk) 08:03, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
I am not sure if this is the correct place or at WP:DRN, but I will probably make a post in both places. I have reverted the removal of sourced information about Ray Heffernan and feel the current wording updated in December 2017 by User:Jonie148 greatly improved the article. Almost all of the edits in this article are IP addresses and newly created accounts removing the sourced information without edit summaries or talk page discussion and then a handful of longer-historied editors reverting this removal with edit summaries and talk page discussion.
I have thought for a while that there is some sort of sock/meatpuppetry going on with either one editor, a handful of editors or a Robbie Williams fan message board that could also involve someone close or working with Robbie Williams in a WP:Conflict of interest to remove the information. Otherwise, we seem to get a lot of new editors that just happen to make the same edits over and over again. As for the newest IP editor, User:124.106.139.19, I get suspicious when a brand new editor seems well versed in protocol or terminology like they did in unsolicitedly bringing up "then go file an SPI report", shows they have done some previous Wikipedia editing. Aspects ( talk) 17:33, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
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Hi 82.6.184.81, please don't remove information about Ray Heffernan. It is reliably sourced and relevant to the article. Reverting or editing it again could result in you getting blocked. NZFC (talk) 02:31, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not only about facts everyone can easily look up somewhere else, such as who was officially credited with the song. Wikipedia article should be a convergence of facts and existing evidence. Ray Heffernan was paid " to go away" per Williams' acknowledgement. It's a fact. Ray Heffernan is in possession of the first ever recording that sounds exactly like the song. This particular article has a bunch of articles from here and there as their sources, it's not exactly a scientific research-based article with references to studies pulished in peer-reviewed journals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Species84721 ( talk • contribs) 19:00, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Upon reading this article for the first time, I thought I mistakenly clicked on an article about Ray Heffernan! I was struck across the face with large sections of information about his claimed input - which was not what I was looking for!
Given the clear controversy about the sources on Ray Heffernan's input (most of this talk page!), I don't think it's relevant enough to include a long paragraph about Heffernan in the first part of this article:
- It's not particularly relevant that Heffernan claims to have co-written an earlier version of the song - definitely not enough to warrant a paragraph in the first section! - It's absolutely not the most important things that people need to know!
It belongs in the 'writing' section. For those reasons, I would remove that paragraph in the lead section - BUT I was told off for removing something that said 'do not remove' - so I'm going to keep it there, but shift it to the 'writing' section instead on the above grounds of not being relevant enough for the lead. Corevibes ( talk) 20:06, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
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There has been huge expose that Williams did not write the song and it was Ray Heffernan from Dublin who never has been recognised by williams. And all mention of this keeps getting deleted from this page. Perhaps other more frequent editors can help protect the page from the editor or editors deleting this Tommyxx ( talk) 12:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC) Tommyxx ( talk) 12:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
No it's extremely controversial. If there is any then there should be a different page on this conflict, but there should be nothing like that on the song here, because it isn't 100% proven.-- Trulystand700 ( talk) 01:22, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
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For those trying to say Ray Heffernan is a credited songwriter please note, there's no evidence other than his claim (primary source). Robbie is on record denying Heffernan's claim. I have no problem including the claims from Heffernan in the article, it's a well known story (controversy section?), but he can't be listed as an official songwriter. There's no evidence or confirmation other than his claim, that's how it has to be presented. Dkspartan1835 ( talk) 17:02, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Personally I'm ok with my presence here and have helped contribute to Wikipedia and will continue to do so but thanks for your concern. NZFC (talk) 08:03, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
I am not sure if this is the correct place or at WP:DRN, but I will probably make a post in both places. I have reverted the removal of sourced information about Ray Heffernan and feel the current wording updated in December 2017 by User:Jonie148 greatly improved the article. Almost all of the edits in this article are IP addresses and newly created accounts removing the sourced information without edit summaries or talk page discussion and then a handful of longer-historied editors reverting this removal with edit summaries and talk page discussion.
I have thought for a while that there is some sort of sock/meatpuppetry going on with either one editor, a handful of editors or a Robbie Williams fan message board that could also involve someone close or working with Robbie Williams in a WP:Conflict of interest to remove the information. Otherwise, we seem to get a lot of new editors that just happen to make the same edits over and over again. As for the newest IP editor, User:124.106.139.19, I get suspicious when a brand new editor seems well versed in protocol or terminology like they did in unsolicitedly bringing up "then go file an SPI report", shows they have done some previous Wikipedia editing. Aspects ( talk) 17:33, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
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The consensus is that a statement should be included in the lede paragraph that authorship of the song has been disputed by Ray Heffernan.
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Hi 82.6.184.81, please don't remove information about Ray Heffernan. It is reliably sourced and relevant to the article. Reverting or editing it again could result in you getting blocked. NZFC (talk) 02:31, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not only about facts everyone can easily look up somewhere else, such as who was officially credited with the song. Wikipedia article should be a convergence of facts and existing evidence. Ray Heffernan was paid " to go away" per Williams' acknowledgement. It's a fact. Ray Heffernan is in possession of the first ever recording that sounds exactly like the song. This particular article has a bunch of articles from here and there as their sources, it's not exactly a scientific research-based article with references to studies pulished in peer-reviewed journals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Species84721 ( talk • contribs) 19:00, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Upon reading this article for the first time, I thought I mistakenly clicked on an article about Ray Heffernan! I was struck across the face with large sections of information about his claimed input - which was not what I was looking for!
Given the clear controversy about the sources on Ray Heffernan's input (most of this talk page!), I don't think it's relevant enough to include a long paragraph about Heffernan in the first part of this article:
- It's not particularly relevant that Heffernan claims to have co-written an earlier version of the song - definitely not enough to warrant a paragraph in the first section! - It's absolutely not the most important things that people need to know!
It belongs in the 'writing' section. For those reasons, I would remove that paragraph in the lead section - BUT I was told off for removing something that said 'do not remove' - so I'm going to keep it there, but shift it to the 'writing' section instead on the above grounds of not being relevant enough for the lead. Corevibes ( talk) 20:06, 11 November 2023 (UTC)