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"The Angelo Flavio Comneno or Angeli[a] family were an Italian noble family of Albanian[4] descent who claimed descent from the Angelos dynasty of the Byzantine Empire."
"The Angeli claimed to be direct male-line descendants of Emperor Isaac II Angelos (r. 1185–1195 and 1203–1204),[5][b] whom they also claimed was a direct descendant of Constantine the Great (r. 306–337).[5]"
Meanwhile: /info/en/?search=Angelos "The Angelos family (/ˈændʒəloʊs/; Greek: Ἄγγελος), feminine form Angelina (Ἀγγελίνα), plural Angeloi (Ἄγγελοι), was a Byzantine Greek noble lineage which rose to prominence through the marriage of its founder, Constantine Angelos, with Theodora Komnene, the youngest daughter of Emperor Alexios I Komnenos. As imperial relatives, the Angeloi held various high titles and military commands under Emperor Manuel I Komnenos. In 1185, following a revolt against Andronikos I Komnenos, Isaac II Angelos rose to the throne, the first of three Angeloi emperors who ruled until 1204. The period was marked by the decline and fragmentation of the Byzantine Empire, culminating in its dissolution by the Fourth Crusade in 1204."
/info/en/?search=Constantine_the_Great "Constantine I (Latin: Flavius Valerius Constantinus; Greek: Κωνσταντῖνος Konstantinos; 27 February c. 272 – 22 May 337), also known as Constantine the Great, was Roman emperor reigning from 306 to 337. Born in Naissus, Dacia Mediterranea (now Niš, Serbia), he was the son of Flavius Constantius (a Roman army officer born in Dacia Ripensis[7] who had been one of the four emperors of the Tetrarchy). His mother, Helena, was Greek and of low birth."
Something doesn't add up here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boogyman12341231 ( talk • contribs) 03:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
They claim descent to earlier Byzantine Greek families yet are Albanian? Also, there's one source cited in this article to prove that and it's from one book. Do we have any primary sources proving their origin, perhaps? Boogyman12341231 ( talk) 18:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
It's not ridiculous to ask for primary sources from his time period, but each to their own, I guess.
and had clearly Albanian names (Andres Engjëlli) The article mentions their hellenised and latinised variants. What I'm wondering is what the Byzantine sources say about the earliest member of the family. Boogyman12341231 ( talk) 18:26, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Just because someone is sourced, that doesn't mean that the source is also correct. How is it a trustworthy source? Does it refer to any primary sources of its own from the time to prove any origin? I didn't tell you that I have sources of my own, but if there are no sources regarding his origin, then isn't that simply an assumption? Boogyman12341231 ( talk) 18:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
When something's established in historiography, it's based on primary sources; verifiable, concrete facts (as much as they can be of course). Because of this, I'm simply wondering which sources from that specific time period use the Albanian variant of the name or claim that they were of ethnic Albanian descent.
married an Albanian noblewoman If you're referring to Dorothea Arianiti, I'd like to know which Byzantine source verifies their ethnic origin, because we're talking about a Byzantine noble family, in this case. Boogyman12341231 ( talk) 19:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
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"The Angelo Flavio Comneno or Angeli[a] family were an Italian noble family of Albanian[4] descent who claimed descent from the Angelos dynasty of the Byzantine Empire."
"The Angeli claimed to be direct male-line descendants of Emperor Isaac II Angelos (r. 1185–1195 and 1203–1204),[5][b] whom they also claimed was a direct descendant of Constantine the Great (r. 306–337).[5]"
Meanwhile: /info/en/?search=Angelos "The Angelos family (/ˈændʒəloʊs/; Greek: Ἄγγελος), feminine form Angelina (Ἀγγελίνα), plural Angeloi (Ἄγγελοι), was a Byzantine Greek noble lineage which rose to prominence through the marriage of its founder, Constantine Angelos, with Theodora Komnene, the youngest daughter of Emperor Alexios I Komnenos. As imperial relatives, the Angeloi held various high titles and military commands under Emperor Manuel I Komnenos. In 1185, following a revolt against Andronikos I Komnenos, Isaac II Angelos rose to the throne, the first of three Angeloi emperors who ruled until 1204. The period was marked by the decline and fragmentation of the Byzantine Empire, culminating in its dissolution by the Fourth Crusade in 1204."
/info/en/?search=Constantine_the_Great "Constantine I (Latin: Flavius Valerius Constantinus; Greek: Κωνσταντῖνος Konstantinos; 27 February c. 272 – 22 May 337), also known as Constantine the Great, was Roman emperor reigning from 306 to 337. Born in Naissus, Dacia Mediterranea (now Niš, Serbia), he was the son of Flavius Constantius (a Roman army officer born in Dacia Ripensis[7] who had been one of the four emperors of the Tetrarchy). His mother, Helena, was Greek and of low birth."
Something doesn't add up here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boogyman12341231 ( talk • contribs) 03:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
They claim descent to earlier Byzantine Greek families yet are Albanian? Also, there's one source cited in this article to prove that and it's from one book. Do we have any primary sources proving their origin, perhaps? Boogyman12341231 ( talk) 18:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
It's not ridiculous to ask for primary sources from his time period, but each to their own, I guess.
and had clearly Albanian names (Andres Engjëlli) The article mentions their hellenised and latinised variants. What I'm wondering is what the Byzantine sources say about the earliest member of the family. Boogyman12341231 ( talk) 18:26, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Just because someone is sourced, that doesn't mean that the source is also correct. How is it a trustworthy source? Does it refer to any primary sources of its own from the time to prove any origin? I didn't tell you that I have sources of my own, but if there are no sources regarding his origin, then isn't that simply an assumption? Boogyman12341231 ( talk) 18:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
When something's established in historiography, it's based on primary sources; verifiable, concrete facts (as much as they can be of course). Because of this, I'm simply wondering which sources from that specific time period use the Albanian variant of the name or claim that they were of ethnic Albanian descent.
married an Albanian noblewoman If you're referring to Dorothea Arianiti, I'd like to know which Byzantine source verifies their ethnic origin, because we're talking about a Byzantine noble family, in this case. Boogyman12341231 ( talk) 19:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)