This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 |
Could we maybe not have that quote in there? I mean I'm not one for censoring an actress's opinions on her page, but of all the things to put on here, a quote that puts cutting in any sort of positive tone? Any accredited psychiatrist will tell you that self-harm is dangerous, and symptomatic, rather than therapeutic. She's not an authority on the subject, and her opinion on such a critical issue to so many young impressionable people is not notable nor beneficial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.20.57.33 ( talk) 01:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Thought I should explain why I reverted this edit as it was rather large and the editor spent some time on it. I reverted it as it contained several copyright violations, it was full of unencyclopedic trivia, used countless unreliable sources (such as the biography page of IMDB), had some pretty major overlinking, etc. Nymf hideliho! 01:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
It says on her father's side she is of "German and Czechoslovak" descent. However, two things: 1. There is no such thing as a Czechoslovak person, a person from that former country is either Czech or Slovak (or Moravian or possibly Carpatho-Ukranian, ethnic Hungarian, etc. if one wants to get very specific) and 2. Her father Jon Voight's page says his paternal grandfather immigrated to the U.S. from Košice, Slovakia. In this way, it would make Angelina's ancestry "German and Slovak" on her father's side. I don't mean to nitpick but I was just wondering if this is an appropriate change to make. Thanks! Demokratickid ( talk) 20:53, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Jolie's great-grandfather actually immigrated from Kassa, Hungary, which is now Košice, Slovakia. Prior to WWII, the vast majority of the population was Hungarian, so I feel it's safe to assume he was Hungarian, not Slovak. Does anyone object to me making this change? Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 19:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
The "Career" section is missing Jolie's post-2008 work (Salt, The Tourist, Kung Fu Panda 2), and the "Humanitarian work" section is missing visits/donations made by Jolie in 2009 (assuming she made any that year). Just pointing it out in case someone feels like researching and adding. Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 21:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Since last November, Reimanova has been adding the (usually unsourced) claim of Czech ancestry to the "Early life" section of this article. I would like to explain once and for all why this is not a helpful addition to Angelina Jolie.
One may occasionally find sources that claim Jolie is of Czech ancestry (or even Czechoslovakian ancestry, when no such thing exists) because the available information on her heritage used be less specific. Until a few years ago, it was believed that her paternal great-grandfather was an immigrant from the former country of Czechoslovakia. We now know (see Jolie's profile at the William Addams Reitwiesner Genealogical Services) that he in fact immigrated from the city of Košice at a time when it belonged to Austria-Hungary, later to Czechoslovakia, and now to Slovakia. Through University of Pittsburgh's Slovak Studies Program, we know that her great-grandfather identified himself as Slovak in the 1910 US census.
So we know that Jolie's paternal great-father is not Czech. Neither is her paternal grandmother, who is of German descent. The only one of her family members whose ancestry is unknown is her paternal great-grandmother. So unless a source is provided that specifically states that her paternal great-grandmother was Czech, I will continue to remove the claim of Czech ancestry from this article. Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 10:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I propose a change to the Humanitarian work section of this article.
In its current state, most of the section is basically a list in prose form of "In *month* *year*, Jolie visited refugees in *place*". Jolie makes several of these visits each year, and I don't think listing them like that really adds to the understanding of her Goodwill Ambassadorship. And we can't go into further detail on every individual visit, since that would make the section far too long. So I propose cutting these paragraphs altogether—an updated version of "Jolie has been on field missions around the world and met with refugees and internally displaced persons in more than 20 countries" summarizes them well enough, in my opinion.
Thoughts? If there are no objections to my proposal, I'll make the change in a week or so.
Cheers, Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 16:51, 18 June 2011 (UTC).
Humanitarian work
Jolie first became personally aware of worldwide humanitarian crises while filming Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (2001) in Cambodia. She contacted UNHCR for more information on international trouble spots. [12] To learn more about the conditions in these areas, Jolie began visiting refugee camps around the world. In February 2001, she went on her first field visit, an 18-day mission to Sierra Leone and Tanzania; she later expressed her shock at what she had witnessed. [12] In the following months, she returned to Cambodia for two weeks and met with Afghan refugees in Pakistan, where she donated $1 million in response to an international UNHCR emergency appeal. [13] She insisted on covering all costs related to her missions and shared the same rudimentary working and living conditions as UNHCR field staff on all of her visits. [12] Jolie was named a UNHCR Goodwill Ambassador at UNHCR headquarters in Geneva on August 27, 2001. [14]
"We cannot close ourselves off to information and ignore the fact that millions of people are out there suffering. I honestly want to help. I don't believe I feel differently from other people. I think we all want justice and equality, a chance for a life with meaning. All of us would like to believe that if we were in a bad situation someone would help us."
Since then, Jolie has been on field missions around the world and met with refugees and internally displaced persons in more than 20 countries. [15] Asked what she hoped to accomplish, she stated, "Awareness of the plight of these people. I think they should be commended for what they have survived, not looked down upon." [16] Jolie aims to visit what she terms "forgotten emergencies", crises that media attention has shifted away from. [17] She is noted for not shying away from areas that are currently at war: [18] she visited displaces families in the Darfur region of Sudan during the Darfur conflict in 2004; she met with Sudanese refugees in neighboring Chad during its civil war in 2007; she visited displaced people as well as US troops and other multi-national forces in Iraq during the Second Gulf War in 2007 and 2009; and she met with internally displaced people during the war in Afghanistan in 2008 and 2011.
Over time, Jolie became more involved in promoting humanitarian causes on a political level. She has regularly attended World Refugee Day in Washington, D.C., and she was an invited speaker at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2005 and 2006. Jolie also began lobbying humanitarian interests in the U.S. capital, where she met with members of Congress at least 20 times from 2003. [14] She explained in Forbes: "As much as I would love to never have to visit Washington, that's the way to move the ball." [14] She also pushed for several bills to aid refugees and vulnerable children in the Third World. [14] Jolie has met with high-ranking officials during several of her field missions: while visiting Afghani refugees in Pakistan in 2005, she met with President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz; during her visit to Haiti in 2010, she discussed the future of earthquake relief efforts with Haitian officials, including President René Préval; and while visiting displaced victims of the Bosnian War in Bosnia-Herzegovina in 2010, she met with Presidency members Haris Silajdžić and Željko Komšić.
In addition to her political involvement, Jolie began using her public profile to promote humanitarian causes through the mass media. Her early field visits were chronicled in her book Notes from My Travels, which was published in conjunction with the release of her film Beyond Borders (2003). In 2005, she filmed an MTV special, The Diary Of Angelina Jolie & Dr. Jeffrey Sachs in Africa, portraying her and noted economist Dr. Jeffrey Sachs on a trip to a remote group of villages in Western Kenya. [The above was mostly taken from the subsequent paragraph, because it doesn't fit in there at all. It needs to be expanded—any more examples of her using mass media? Maybe a mention of those PSA's she does?]
In 2005, Jolie took part at a National Press Club luncheon, where she announced the founding of the National Center for Refugee and Immigrant Children, an organization that provides free legal-aid to asylum-seeking children with no legal representation, which Jolie personally funded with a donation of $500,000 for its first two years. [19] In 2006, Jolie announced the founding of the Jolie-Pitt Foundation, which made initial donations to Global Action for Children and Doctors Without Borders of $1 million each. [20] Jolie also co-chairs the Education Partnership for Children of Conflict, founded at the Clinton Global Initiative in 2006, which helps fund education programs for children affected by conflict. [21] In 2007, Jolie became a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. [22]
Jolie has received wide recognition for her humanitarian work. In 2003, she was the first recipient of the newly created Citizen of the World Award by the United Nations Correspondents Association, and in 2005, she was awarded the Global Humanitarian Award by the UNA-USA. [23] Cambodia's King Norodom Sihamoni awarded Jolie Cambodian citizenship for her conservation work in the country on August 12, 2005; she pledged $5 million to set up a wildlife sanctuary in the north-western province of Battambang and owns property there. [24] In 2007, Jolie received the Freedom Award by the International Rescue Committee. [25]
- Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 10:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I've made quite a few changes to the article (compare old with new), and with this being an FA, I figured I'd explain the major ones here:
I won't go into detail on the rest of the edit because I don't think anyone cares, but I will respond to any questions/objections raised here.
Cheers, Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 20:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC).
Where do they actually live? One minute they say New Orleans, another its France, then back in LA. Can somebody please write in her persona life where her and Brad's homes are and where the children go to school on a permanent basis. I have absolutely no idea on this as they appear to always be travelling around the world.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:42, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
While googling to find out Jolie's adopted kids' birthplaces, I couldn't find any reliable sources that support the unsourced claim that he was adopted from Battambang. It wasn't included in the original news reports on the adoption, and the only semi-reliable sources I've found are articles by The Guardian—which has a history of relying on wikipedia—and The Age, which I'm not really familiar with.
The reason I question that he was adopted from Battambang is that her first coordinates tattoo points to Phnom Penh, not Battambang. (Her other tattoos point to Addis Ababa, Swakopmund, Ho Chi Minh City, and Nice—the cities where she adopted/birthed her other children.) Why would she get a tattoo of the coordinates of Phnom Penh if she adopted Maddox from Battambang? Also, the adoption agent Jolie used to adopt Maddox was based in Phnom Penh, and most of the orphanages this agent is known to have used were also located in Phnom Penh, while none were located in Battambang.
Thoughts, anyone? Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 19:38, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
I added this picture to the article. Prayer for the wild at heart (whom I think is Wildhartlivie under a new identity) apparently does not like it, and wants it removed. No valid reason is given for that. Personnally, I do not want to enter an edit war about a photo, but I see no reason whatsoever for not including this photo, which gives a good view of Ms Jolie's appearance at the height of her career. The current "controversy" looks like the crudest possible form of WP:OWN, and I don't think we need that. I'd really like to avoid discussing this further. Jean-Jacques Georges ( talk) 08:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
The two unsourced edits by User:Subhwiki make Jolie's age to be 46 years old, with a date of birth of 1965. This contradicts several portions of the article (such as the first sentence of the "early work"), as well as other sources, such as [1], [2] or [3]. I would revert it myself, but my account is not confirmed or auto-confirmed (not enough edits). Marzo 14:18, 24 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marzojr ( talk • contribs)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Angelina jolie is 36 years old and was born in 1975. Please follow up on this because I have checked every article and website and she is 36. Thank You for reading this letter. From, Anonymous
96.227.62.55 (
talk)
16:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Please update Angelina Jolie's occupation. She's also a director and writer since she wrote and directed In the Land of Blood and Honey -- Trishstar7 ( talk) 22:51, 11 December 2011 (UTC)trishstar7-- Trishstar7 ( talk) 22:51, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Angelina Jolie Movie Box Office Results
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 |
Could we maybe not have that quote in there? I mean I'm not one for censoring an actress's opinions on her page, but of all the things to put on here, a quote that puts cutting in any sort of positive tone? Any accredited psychiatrist will tell you that self-harm is dangerous, and symptomatic, rather than therapeutic. She's not an authority on the subject, and her opinion on such a critical issue to so many young impressionable people is not notable nor beneficial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.20.57.33 ( talk) 01:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Thought I should explain why I reverted this edit as it was rather large and the editor spent some time on it. I reverted it as it contained several copyright violations, it was full of unencyclopedic trivia, used countless unreliable sources (such as the biography page of IMDB), had some pretty major overlinking, etc. Nymf hideliho! 01:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
It says on her father's side she is of "German and Czechoslovak" descent. However, two things: 1. There is no such thing as a Czechoslovak person, a person from that former country is either Czech or Slovak (or Moravian or possibly Carpatho-Ukranian, ethnic Hungarian, etc. if one wants to get very specific) and 2. Her father Jon Voight's page says his paternal grandfather immigrated to the U.S. from Košice, Slovakia. In this way, it would make Angelina's ancestry "German and Slovak" on her father's side. I don't mean to nitpick but I was just wondering if this is an appropriate change to make. Thanks! Demokratickid ( talk) 20:53, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Jolie's great-grandfather actually immigrated from Kassa, Hungary, which is now Košice, Slovakia. Prior to WWII, the vast majority of the population was Hungarian, so I feel it's safe to assume he was Hungarian, not Slovak. Does anyone object to me making this change? Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 19:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
The "Career" section is missing Jolie's post-2008 work (Salt, The Tourist, Kung Fu Panda 2), and the "Humanitarian work" section is missing visits/donations made by Jolie in 2009 (assuming she made any that year). Just pointing it out in case someone feels like researching and adding. Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 21:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Since last November, Reimanova has been adding the (usually unsourced) claim of Czech ancestry to the "Early life" section of this article. I would like to explain once and for all why this is not a helpful addition to Angelina Jolie.
One may occasionally find sources that claim Jolie is of Czech ancestry (or even Czechoslovakian ancestry, when no such thing exists) because the available information on her heritage used be less specific. Until a few years ago, it was believed that her paternal great-grandfather was an immigrant from the former country of Czechoslovakia. We now know (see Jolie's profile at the William Addams Reitwiesner Genealogical Services) that he in fact immigrated from the city of Košice at a time when it belonged to Austria-Hungary, later to Czechoslovakia, and now to Slovakia. Through University of Pittsburgh's Slovak Studies Program, we know that her great-grandfather identified himself as Slovak in the 1910 US census.
So we know that Jolie's paternal great-father is not Czech. Neither is her paternal grandmother, who is of German descent. The only one of her family members whose ancestry is unknown is her paternal great-grandmother. So unless a source is provided that specifically states that her paternal great-grandmother was Czech, I will continue to remove the claim of Czech ancestry from this article. Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 10:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I propose a change to the Humanitarian work section of this article.
In its current state, most of the section is basically a list in prose form of "In *month* *year*, Jolie visited refugees in *place*". Jolie makes several of these visits each year, and I don't think listing them like that really adds to the understanding of her Goodwill Ambassadorship. And we can't go into further detail on every individual visit, since that would make the section far too long. So I propose cutting these paragraphs altogether—an updated version of "Jolie has been on field missions around the world and met with refugees and internally displaced persons in more than 20 countries" summarizes them well enough, in my opinion.
Thoughts? If there are no objections to my proposal, I'll make the change in a week or so.
Cheers, Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 16:51, 18 June 2011 (UTC).
Humanitarian work
Jolie first became personally aware of worldwide humanitarian crises while filming Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (2001) in Cambodia. She contacted UNHCR for more information on international trouble spots. [12] To learn more about the conditions in these areas, Jolie began visiting refugee camps around the world. In February 2001, she went on her first field visit, an 18-day mission to Sierra Leone and Tanzania; she later expressed her shock at what she had witnessed. [12] In the following months, she returned to Cambodia for two weeks and met with Afghan refugees in Pakistan, where she donated $1 million in response to an international UNHCR emergency appeal. [13] She insisted on covering all costs related to her missions and shared the same rudimentary working and living conditions as UNHCR field staff on all of her visits. [12] Jolie was named a UNHCR Goodwill Ambassador at UNHCR headquarters in Geneva on August 27, 2001. [14]
"We cannot close ourselves off to information and ignore the fact that millions of people are out there suffering. I honestly want to help. I don't believe I feel differently from other people. I think we all want justice and equality, a chance for a life with meaning. All of us would like to believe that if we were in a bad situation someone would help us."
Since then, Jolie has been on field missions around the world and met with refugees and internally displaced persons in more than 20 countries. [15] Asked what she hoped to accomplish, she stated, "Awareness of the plight of these people. I think they should be commended for what they have survived, not looked down upon." [16] Jolie aims to visit what she terms "forgotten emergencies", crises that media attention has shifted away from. [17] She is noted for not shying away from areas that are currently at war: [18] she visited displaces families in the Darfur region of Sudan during the Darfur conflict in 2004; she met with Sudanese refugees in neighboring Chad during its civil war in 2007; she visited displaced people as well as US troops and other multi-national forces in Iraq during the Second Gulf War in 2007 and 2009; and she met with internally displaced people during the war in Afghanistan in 2008 and 2011.
Over time, Jolie became more involved in promoting humanitarian causes on a political level. She has regularly attended World Refugee Day in Washington, D.C., and she was an invited speaker at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2005 and 2006. Jolie also began lobbying humanitarian interests in the U.S. capital, where she met with members of Congress at least 20 times from 2003. [14] She explained in Forbes: "As much as I would love to never have to visit Washington, that's the way to move the ball." [14] She also pushed for several bills to aid refugees and vulnerable children in the Third World. [14] Jolie has met with high-ranking officials during several of her field missions: while visiting Afghani refugees in Pakistan in 2005, she met with President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz; during her visit to Haiti in 2010, she discussed the future of earthquake relief efforts with Haitian officials, including President René Préval; and while visiting displaced victims of the Bosnian War in Bosnia-Herzegovina in 2010, she met with Presidency members Haris Silajdžić and Željko Komšić.
In addition to her political involvement, Jolie began using her public profile to promote humanitarian causes through the mass media. Her early field visits were chronicled in her book Notes from My Travels, which was published in conjunction with the release of her film Beyond Borders (2003). In 2005, she filmed an MTV special, The Diary Of Angelina Jolie & Dr. Jeffrey Sachs in Africa, portraying her and noted economist Dr. Jeffrey Sachs on a trip to a remote group of villages in Western Kenya. [The above was mostly taken from the subsequent paragraph, because it doesn't fit in there at all. It needs to be expanded—any more examples of her using mass media? Maybe a mention of those PSA's she does?]
In 2005, Jolie took part at a National Press Club luncheon, where she announced the founding of the National Center for Refugee and Immigrant Children, an organization that provides free legal-aid to asylum-seeking children with no legal representation, which Jolie personally funded with a donation of $500,000 for its first two years. [19] In 2006, Jolie announced the founding of the Jolie-Pitt Foundation, which made initial donations to Global Action for Children and Doctors Without Borders of $1 million each. [20] Jolie also co-chairs the Education Partnership for Children of Conflict, founded at the Clinton Global Initiative in 2006, which helps fund education programs for children affected by conflict. [21] In 2007, Jolie became a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. [22]
Jolie has received wide recognition for her humanitarian work. In 2003, she was the first recipient of the newly created Citizen of the World Award by the United Nations Correspondents Association, and in 2005, she was awarded the Global Humanitarian Award by the UNA-USA. [23] Cambodia's King Norodom Sihamoni awarded Jolie Cambodian citizenship for her conservation work in the country on August 12, 2005; she pledged $5 million to set up a wildlife sanctuary in the north-western province of Battambang and owns property there. [24] In 2007, Jolie received the Freedom Award by the International Rescue Committee. [25]
- Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 10:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I've made quite a few changes to the article (compare old with new), and with this being an FA, I figured I'd explain the major ones here:
I won't go into detail on the rest of the edit because I don't think anyone cares, but I will respond to any questions/objections raised here.
Cheers, Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 20:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC).
Where do they actually live? One minute they say New Orleans, another its France, then back in LA. Can somebody please write in her persona life where her and Brad's homes are and where the children go to school on a permanent basis. I have absolutely no idea on this as they appear to always be travelling around the world.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:42, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
While googling to find out Jolie's adopted kids' birthplaces, I couldn't find any reliable sources that support the unsourced claim that he was adopted from Battambang. It wasn't included in the original news reports on the adoption, and the only semi-reliable sources I've found are articles by The Guardian—which has a history of relying on wikipedia—and The Age, which I'm not really familiar with.
The reason I question that he was adopted from Battambang is that her first coordinates tattoo points to Phnom Penh, not Battambang. (Her other tattoos point to Addis Ababa, Swakopmund, Ho Chi Minh City, and Nice—the cities where she adopted/birthed her other children.) Why would she get a tattoo of the coordinates of Phnom Penh if she adopted Maddox from Battambang? Also, the adoption agent Jolie used to adopt Maddox was based in Phnom Penh, and most of the orphanages this agent is known to have used were also located in Phnom Penh, while none were located in Battambang.
Thoughts, anyone? Prayer for the wild at heart ( talk) 19:38, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
I added this picture to the article. Prayer for the wild at heart (whom I think is Wildhartlivie under a new identity) apparently does not like it, and wants it removed. No valid reason is given for that. Personnally, I do not want to enter an edit war about a photo, but I see no reason whatsoever for not including this photo, which gives a good view of Ms Jolie's appearance at the height of her career. The current "controversy" looks like the crudest possible form of WP:OWN, and I don't think we need that. I'd really like to avoid discussing this further. Jean-Jacques Georges ( talk) 08:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
The two unsourced edits by User:Subhwiki make Jolie's age to be 46 years old, with a date of birth of 1965. This contradicts several portions of the article (such as the first sentence of the "early work"), as well as other sources, such as [1], [2] or [3]. I would revert it myself, but my account is not confirmed or auto-confirmed (not enough edits). Marzo 14:18, 24 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marzojr ( talk • contribs)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Angelina jolie is 36 years old and was born in 1975. Please follow up on this because I have checked every article and website and she is 36. Thank You for reading this letter. From, Anonymous
96.227.62.55 (
talk)
16:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Please update Angelina Jolie's occupation. She's also a director and writer since she wrote and directed In the Land of Blood and Honey -- Trishstar7 ( talk) 22:51, 11 December 2011 (UTC)trishstar7-- Trishstar7 ( talk) 22:51, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Angelina Jolie Movie Box Office Results
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).