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according to government public records, in USA PEOPLE SEARCH, Angelina Jolie Voight, daughter of Marcheline and Jon Voight is 45.--Juju 18:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Is she roman catholic?, his father, Jon Voight is roman catholic —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Domingo Portales ( talk • contribs) 21:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC).
Another editor has unprotected the page in hopes it can return to normal. Unfortunately there's already been an anonymous idiot who decided to post nonsense. If further vandalism occurs over the next day or so we'll have to protect it again. 23skidoo 21:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Since Wikipedia is a great place to dispell rumors, I thought it would be good to add the information that the "1/4 Iroquois" rumor is in question.
The first thing that made me curious about this rumor that Jolie's (besides the fact that M. Bertrand does not look half aboriginal) is that you can't really be "fullblood Iroquois," as " Iroquois" isn't a tribe or ethnicity, but rather refers to the Six Nations Confederacy. The fact that the press calls Jolie's mother Iroquois seems to show that they don't know her actual First Nations heritage as there is never any mention of whether Marcheline Bertrand's mother was specifically Mohawk or Oneida, etc. I've never heard another Native person say "I'm Iroquois;" that's something one hears non-indigenous people say. Even if someone was mixed Oneida- Cayuga- Onondoga, you most likely wouldn't call yourself "Iroquois."
However, while the fansite's webmaster I've cited for the information about the rumor being overturned seems to be reputable, I realize it would be good to have the actual source of the Jon Voight 2001 statement, so I'll try to track it down unless someone else can find it first. Efrafra 04:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
== Here is a link to that 10/2001 online interview with
Jon Voight with UK's Telegraph. ==
This is where he mentions:
"Voight is reluctant to dampen any of her enthusiasms. She recently claimed that she is part Iroquois Indian and campaigned for the tribe to allow her to join them in their "sweat lodge". Voight is quick to say that Angelina is "not seriously Iroquois" and that this is just a little fancy he and Marcheline developed to enhance his ex-wife's exotic background. Still, he insists, "We always liked the idea of her as an Iroquois, and I love that my kids have picked up on that."
He has nothing but praise for her in this interview. His intent in the article is not to argue against her claim, it is just a passing sentence among praise for his children who he calls "the loves of my life" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml?xml=/health/2001/10/02/fmjoli02.xml Yvette 10:54 5 February 2007
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I think it would be preferable to introduce the conflicting facts directly into the text, because as it reads now, it sounds to me like it is almost certainly a product of her imagination. I would rather suggest something like:
"... and is said to be part "Iroquois"; however, Bertrand's alleged Native American ancestry was once disputed by Voight in an interview in 2001." -- EnemyOfTheState 15:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Angelina Jolie is a Cambodian citizen. She was granted citizenship by the King of Cambodia for her enviromental work and generosity.
Per WP:BLP,
and
From WP:RS
I've deleted information from the following personal websites or otherwise unreliable sources:
I left some text with cite tags, because it can be referenced to a recent Vogue magazine feature. There are other sources which look marginal, but aren't as glaring as these, so I haven't deleted thembut at minimum, the information sourced to IMDb should be reviewed, as it is not a reliable source. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 06:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
According to a few sites, Jolie is left-handed...has this ever been discussed/dismissed? IMDB states that she had to have guns specially made for her for the Tomb Raider movie because of this fact, and I also found http://www.indiana.edu/~primate/left.html which has a long list of left-handed actors/actresses. There's quite a few other sources citeable although I'm not too sure about which ones are acceptable as citeable sources so haven't actually added this snippet :-) SmUX 12:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
As soon as the protection was removed, anonymous IP users with no lives started vandalising the article again, so I have put protection back onto the article, with no expiry date. Obviously people who aren't bothering to register aren't going to play nice, so we may as well kick them out of the playground. 23skidoo 12:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I reverted the edits of user Lilkunta several times now, because I believe they compromise the quality of this article - Lilkunta insists on these changes though. I have little interest in an edit war, but I do think these extensive edits are not helpful for a number of reasons:
Leaving a note on Lilkunta's talk page was not very useful, so I'm interested in others' opinions. -- EnemyOfTheState 17:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I have locked the page from all non-admin edits until a consensus has been reached. Once again I invite Lilkunta and any other interested parties to please discuss the issues here. Requested changes can be made by admins until such time as this article is unlocked. This decision was reached when I saw that Lilkunta had reinstated several of the edits without any apparent attempt to seek consensus, as he was requested to do by me on the user's talk page. 23skidoo 20:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC) You posted to me after you locked the page so you did not give me a chance. Did you also tell this message to EnemyOfTheState? I feel s/he acts as if he owns the page. The history shows he repeatedly changes what others add, as if s/he only knows what should be added. Lilkunta
1) I feel EnemyOfTheState, s/he acts as if he owns the page. The history shows he repeatedly changes what others add, as if s/he only knows what should be added.S/he repeatedly added uncited info( pax's DOB). Pax's DOB as 29 NOV hasnt been released. I checked both the ref and they say Nov 03 , his day of birth is not given. Please check that.
2)I tried to correct the awards. I checked the years. Instead of just deleting them, why not correct? Lilkunta
Firstly, I would respectfully ask you to use the normal font; it is almost impossible for me to read your text. In response to your statements:
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I'm afraid this discussion goes nowhere, as Lilkunta is persistently ignoring the lengthy guidelines on WP:LEAD. I'm not sure what to do here, but I have no intentions to debate this obvious issue indefinitely. -- EnemyOfTheState 16:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
As a person who shares the same family name as Angelina, I would like to see this article only occupy Angelina_Jolie rather than also occupying the "Jolie" space which would be more appropriately used to discuss the origin/history etc. of the name. I was hoping to research my family name but there is nothing in that space. 158.228.209.145 14:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Angelina Jolie's mother Marcheline Bertrand was French Canadian which means Angelina is an American Canadian. This ought to be changed.
Pax's DOB has not been released. Change the info. EnemyOfTheState added this erroneous info as part of his continued domination of this AJ wiki page. The ref all say Nov 03, that is all we know at this time. I think this is good 4/as the last 2 paragraphs of that section:
I have removed the DOB as the BBC News source that was cited does not support it anyway. 23skidoo 16:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I'm from People Magazine. Can you please add a link in the external links section to our Celebrity Central Database at People.com ? It has a full biography of Jolie (including a professionally researched timeline), the photo archive from People, and full-text links to all the articles about her which have appeared in People. The link is http://www.people.com/people/angelina_jolie. Thank you.
Why was the pic of Mad & Aj deleted? I clicked on it too send a message to the person who added it, but User:Nv8200p deleted the info about the person who loaded it. Pls help. Lilkunta 12:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
The article has been locked for several days now and I haven't seen too much additional discussion regarding the edit-war issues from previous. We're not supposed to leave articles locked for extensive periods of time, so what should we do -- unlock it or leave the lock in place awhile longer? 23skidoo 23:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll wait to see if anyone else chimes in on this. Incidentally it will only go back to semi-protection; for whatever reason this article is a vandalism magnet and as such it should remain locked to unregistered users. Everytime it's unprotected we immediately have to deal with IP vandalism. 23skidoo 03:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
An editor has included a note that Shiloh is appearing in a Brad Pitt movie, but the only source cited is the IMDb. If a more reliable source can't be located, it should be removed. 23skidoo 17:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I removed a few sentences with unnecessary trivia that shouldn't be in an encyclopedic text imho (feel free to object):
Also, I included Pax' birthday again as a fact. Aside from the source given in the text, the date was also covered by several magazines ( [4], [5]) and I think it should be ok to use it. And I removed her alleged Czech-German ancestry which was recently introduced by LiberalConservative; this might very well be true, but LiberalConservative provided a very unlikely source, a NY Times article from 1944. I left a note on the his/her talk page to clear this up. -- EnemyOfTheState 15:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
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Hi there,
I'm the Web Liaison Manager for a Department of Education (UK) initiative called Teachers TV. We have an online video available with Angeline Jolie who narrates it, and features throughout it. It's free to watch online, and shows her good work for the UN.
Can I please create a link to this video? It would be of interest to both fans, and people interested in her work with the UN?
Here's some more information about it:
http://www.teachers.tv/video/18716
What's Going On?
Since the mid 1990s, more than 150,000 residents of the Democratic Republic of Congo have fled from their homes and country to escape the ravages of war.
On behalf of the United Nations and her own commitment to the refugee cause, Angelina Jolie travels to Africa to reach out to child refugees. In the Kibrizi Transit Centre in Tanzania, she meets the three Fataki brothers - orphans on the run from rebel troops in the DRC.
Alone, penniless, frightened and distraught, the boys are processed and sent to a refugee camp. Angelina travels with them to the camp, and helps them build a shelter that will be their home.
This programme journeys into the world of child refugees, and exposes the heartbreaking reality of their daily struggle to cope. It also reveals the power of hope and laughter, demonstrating that with the help of others, child refugees can still hold on to their dreams.
Ref 67 is blank, it's a repeated ref so rather than search I'm just notifying. Quadzilla99 13:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
She is gaight (half gay and half straight.) Can anyone find the interview where Angelina stated she would not get married till "people who should be able to get married, can" (in reference to gay marriage? 76.112.102.98 23:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- Title of Section - International Success- If you review each movie after this part, a majority were panned by the media, and ignored by fans. How is this international success?? Just wondering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.185.151.121 ( talk) 14:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I think Shiloh Jolie-Pitt should have her own article. She's starring in The Curious Case of Benjamin Button and isn't only Angelina Jolie's daughter but also Brad Pitt's.
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Jolie has got a tattoo which reads "know your rights" on her back. This information may be included in the section regarding this topic. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
85.167.1.116 (
talk)
07:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I think this [6] and other humanitarian work should be included but I cannot add it because of WP:COI -- BozMo talk 08:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
This picture is freely allowed to add to the article. -- Z33t4h 12:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I just worked with her on movie Changeling, she has tatoo on her back just below neck line which says "know your rights". Not sure how long she has had it but page should list all of her tatooes as it lists some and to list them all would be a sentence or two.
Hi there,
I was going through some Hollywood bios and came across Diane Keaton, another FA. In the lead theres a line stating her total box office gross - Keaton's films have earned a cumulative gross of over USD 1.1 billion in North America.[2]. Shouldn't there be a similar line in this article as well? Is there any particular set of guidelines for actors/actresses which could be followed while writing the leads of their articles?
Thanks, xC | ☎ 13:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
On the main page it shows she has received academy award which she never did. I think it should be nomination rather than award. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chotaidiot ( talk • contribs)
This says that Shiloh's birth was a scheduled caesarian but Jolie has said that Shiloh was breach and that was the reason that she delivered this way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.240.217 ( talk) 10:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Angelina Jolie's ancestry is inaccurate. Jon Voight's paternal grandfather was Czech, his paternal grandmother was English, his maternal grandfather was German, and his maternal grandmother was German. Thus, Jon Voight is 1/4 Czech, 1/4 English, and 1/2 German. Therefore, Angelina Jolie is 1/8 Czech, 1/8 English, 1/4 German, and 1/2 French Canadian with the "disputed" tiny droplet of "supposed" Iroquois blood. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by
Beautifulxlife ( talk • contribs).
I believe that angelinajoliepics.com should be included as an external reference. Jolieweb 02:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
French Canadians are almost all part Indian so this is not a surprise. The early settlers mixed with the Indians but later as more European women arrived that became less and less common. Possibly this could be more than a "sliver" even if she has no recent Indian ancestors there could be multiple Indian ancestors from 300-400 years ago. Clearly, Jon Voight knows nothing about Canadian history. French Canadians are not all French either. There were many Italians in the colony early on as part of Italy was then under French control. Jolie looks more Italian then French.
The problem with tracing Native American Ancestry is two-fold: 1) Native Americans have not always maintained paper birth records and 2) until recently many 'Whites' also of Native American descent felt a need to hide their non-White heritage in order to avoid discrimination. Therefore one should not automatically assume that Jolie is 'just barely' Native American.
Sean7phil ( talk) 01:28, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
If you take a look at the 1910 federal census of Yonkers, NY, you will see that Jon Voight's paternal grandmother, Mrs. Helen Voytko, was U.S.-born, but her parents were born in another country, listed as Hun-Slovak, as was her husband George Voytko. According to Wikipedia, Slovakia was a part of the Kingdom of Hungary until 1918, when it became Czechoslovakia. Census information is not absolutely reliable, but there is nothing here to indicate English heritage. Kayqueue 20:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC) As for Angelina's mom being French Canadian, perhaps she had French Canadian ancestry, but she was born in Illinois. See < http://marchelinebertrand.blogspot.com/>, where a cousin says she was born in a small town in Illinois. Kayqueue 00:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC) French-Canadian refers to people from Quebec or Arcadia which at one time included Illinois. Since they've been there a long time and were for two hundred years cut off from France they are distinguished from more recent French immigrants. French Canadians typically have some Indian blood because there were not many French women in the colony early on. Morocco also has ties to France as well. She has morocan blood too since her grandmother was born in Morocco. --Unsigned content added by User:71.59.237.189
Movie critic Anthony Lane of the New Yorker offers some choice observations about Jolie that I found insightful and may be worth incorporating. One amusing line in his description of her different aspects was, "2. The sexpot. In this she is unchallenged, and yet her timing is off by fifty years. When it comes to channelling her carnal appeal, no current film director has a clue; the guy she needs is Frank Tashlin, who guided Jayne Mansfield through “ The Girl Can't Help It” (1956) and “ Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?” (1957), and whose eyeballs, if confronted with Jolie in the flesh, would pop out on cartoon springs and bob around." - Banyan Tree 05:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
The article currently reads in at over 70kb. Perhaps its time to split into relevant sections? xC | ☎ 20:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
First, I want to say I think the article is great. Some sections might be trimmed up a bit, but otherwise, it is well-written and informative. Besides that it could be more concise, it is a good article. But I have one other suggestion! Her humanitarian work is so important that I think there should be a list of awards she has in that area in the Info Box! You have her entertainment industry awards, but what about her UNHCR and related awards? -- Ashley Rovira 15:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Minor copyedit: Under "Early life and family" - this is not a sentence as it has no subject: Because my son’s adopted, and families are earned. I think it needs to be merged either with the sentence before or after. Can someone more knowledgable help? Thanks. ♫ Cricket02 16:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
From the lead:
The footnote leads to this BBC News article which mentions one internet poll that placed Jolie top. That is in no way enough to justify the phrase "often cited". As it happens I agree that she is often cited as such... but the referencing here is clearly inadequate for the claim. 86.132.138.229 02:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else find this image better for the top than the current one? -- thedemonhog talk • edits 17:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Can someone find a more suitable image? Her face is hardly visible in the current image. Myoutbackshed 10:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
The crop and Photoshop job on the current image is horrible. Since she just visited Iraq recently, we should have some better government photos than this. thedemonhog's suggestion would fit better as well. ⇔ EntChickie 18:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
If you want to use the current picture as the lead image, wouldn't it be preferable cropping it a little bit to make it more of a portrait photograph? Something like that ? EnemyOfTheState ( talk) 12:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Could anyone confirm whether or not she has some black ancestry as there are several articles floating around claiming that her mom had an affair with a black or mulatto guy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.152.214 ( talk) 20:15, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
She has no black/mulatto ancestry. Her father's side of Czech is well documented. Her mother's side of Canadian-Frech blood is well documented. Ruth E 22:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Thats Canadian-French-Native American blood to be accurate.
Sean7phil ( talk) 01:28, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Jolie seems seems like a young film actor to have her Filmography moved off her main page already. It doesn't seem like it did all that much to shorten the page, and it seems like such primary information to move. Wouldn't it be better to edit down other sections that veer into trivia in order to shorten the page, or move something else, then move the filmography back to this page? For example, does the Tattoos section need to be so long? Or could it be moved? I think readers come to the Angelina Jolie page to read about her films (and many other topics) more so than to read about her tattoos. -- Melty girl 04:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
is she of slovak or czech ancestry? 60.242.48.18 13:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
It should be noted that if Marcheline Bertrand had Iroquois ancestry, the article must not then read 'Native American'. The native peoples of Canada (regarding Bertrand's French Canadian roots) are not referred to as 'Native American', they are primarily called 'First Nations'. I guess though the main question should be if she did indeed have Iroquois roots, were they based out of Canada? If the ancestry section is to stand, this should be rectified in the article. Sorry to bring up yet another ancestry section here. Bentonia School 13:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Incidents happened in india could be worth mentioning. Article states all positive and no negative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cool kanks ( talk • contribs) 18:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I read in an article on afterellen.com that she no longer identifies as bisexual. Does anyone know if this has been confirmed? 199.126.166.13 22:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
She is still bisexual. Get over it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.171.164 ( talk) 14:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I reverted the edit that removed the children from the Infobox. Why else do you think a "children" field was included? Of course they need to be listed there. I do agree wikilinking them was unnecessary as, for now at least, the links just redirect back here anyway, so I took those out. 23skidoo 04:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
All I can say in response to Melty Girl is that in order to determine "especially notable children" you must violate WP:NPOV. If you're willing to accept that by not listing the children that NPOV has been violated, allowing therefore any POV statements to be added to the article, then I'm fine with the change. 23skidoo ( talk) 00:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
The English articles have always a lot of trivia, especially in this article. why don´t you care more about the quality of the articles? its more gossip than information who are necessary for an encyclopedia. La Lovely 18:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)--
In the German Wikipedia is said that the names of the children of celebrities and other information about them are only necessary when there is a concrete interest of the children, I think the information about the children are too detailed and it needn´t to be mentioned how there full names are, where they were borned, etc. I think it´s enough to mention that they have 4 children and that 3 of them are adopted from a poor country. La Lovely 19:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)--
SOUTH PARK REFERENCE?
IS ANYONE GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE SOUTH PARK EPISODE? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.42.211.4 ( talk) 02:35, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious why the page protection was lifted recently. The article has already been vandalized half a dozen times, and there is no reason to expect it will get better. I don't think ending the protection was a very good idea. Sloan21 ( talk) 12:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest to put this page under semi-protection again. This ongoing reverting orgy really serves no purpose; there was hardly any meaningful edit form an unregistered user since this this article was unprotected. EnemyOfTheState ( talk) 13:44, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
EnemyOfTheState ( talk) 19:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
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according to government public records, in USA PEOPLE SEARCH, Angelina Jolie Voight, daughter of Marcheline and Jon Voight is 45.--Juju 18:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Is she roman catholic?, his father, Jon Voight is roman catholic —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Domingo Portales ( talk • contribs) 21:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC).
Another editor has unprotected the page in hopes it can return to normal. Unfortunately there's already been an anonymous idiot who decided to post nonsense. If further vandalism occurs over the next day or so we'll have to protect it again. 23skidoo 21:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Since Wikipedia is a great place to dispell rumors, I thought it would be good to add the information that the "1/4 Iroquois" rumor is in question.
The first thing that made me curious about this rumor that Jolie's (besides the fact that M. Bertrand does not look half aboriginal) is that you can't really be "fullblood Iroquois," as " Iroquois" isn't a tribe or ethnicity, but rather refers to the Six Nations Confederacy. The fact that the press calls Jolie's mother Iroquois seems to show that they don't know her actual First Nations heritage as there is never any mention of whether Marcheline Bertrand's mother was specifically Mohawk or Oneida, etc. I've never heard another Native person say "I'm Iroquois;" that's something one hears non-indigenous people say. Even if someone was mixed Oneida- Cayuga- Onondoga, you most likely wouldn't call yourself "Iroquois."
However, while the fansite's webmaster I've cited for the information about the rumor being overturned seems to be reputable, I realize it would be good to have the actual source of the Jon Voight 2001 statement, so I'll try to track it down unless someone else can find it first. Efrafra 04:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
== Here is a link to that 10/2001 online interview with
Jon Voight with UK's Telegraph. ==
This is where he mentions:
"Voight is reluctant to dampen any of her enthusiasms. She recently claimed that she is part Iroquois Indian and campaigned for the tribe to allow her to join them in their "sweat lodge". Voight is quick to say that Angelina is "not seriously Iroquois" and that this is just a little fancy he and Marcheline developed to enhance his ex-wife's exotic background. Still, he insists, "We always liked the idea of her as an Iroquois, and I love that my kids have picked up on that."
He has nothing but praise for her in this interview. His intent in the article is not to argue against her claim, it is just a passing sentence among praise for his children who he calls "the loves of my life" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml?xml=/health/2001/10/02/fmjoli02.xml Yvette 10:54 5 February 2007
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I think it would be preferable to introduce the conflicting facts directly into the text, because as it reads now, it sounds to me like it is almost certainly a product of her imagination. I would rather suggest something like:
"... and is said to be part "Iroquois"; however, Bertrand's alleged Native American ancestry was once disputed by Voight in an interview in 2001." -- EnemyOfTheState 15:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Angelina Jolie is a Cambodian citizen. She was granted citizenship by the King of Cambodia for her enviromental work and generosity.
Per WP:BLP,
and
From WP:RS
I've deleted information from the following personal websites or otherwise unreliable sources:
I left some text with cite tags, because it can be referenced to a recent Vogue magazine feature. There are other sources which look marginal, but aren't as glaring as these, so I haven't deleted thembut at minimum, the information sourced to IMDb should be reviewed, as it is not a reliable source. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 06:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
According to a few sites, Jolie is left-handed...has this ever been discussed/dismissed? IMDB states that she had to have guns specially made for her for the Tomb Raider movie because of this fact, and I also found http://www.indiana.edu/~primate/left.html which has a long list of left-handed actors/actresses. There's quite a few other sources citeable although I'm not too sure about which ones are acceptable as citeable sources so haven't actually added this snippet :-) SmUX 12:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
As soon as the protection was removed, anonymous IP users with no lives started vandalising the article again, so I have put protection back onto the article, with no expiry date. Obviously people who aren't bothering to register aren't going to play nice, so we may as well kick them out of the playground. 23skidoo 12:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I reverted the edits of user Lilkunta several times now, because I believe they compromise the quality of this article - Lilkunta insists on these changes though. I have little interest in an edit war, but I do think these extensive edits are not helpful for a number of reasons:
Leaving a note on Lilkunta's talk page was not very useful, so I'm interested in others' opinions. -- EnemyOfTheState 17:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I have locked the page from all non-admin edits until a consensus has been reached. Once again I invite Lilkunta and any other interested parties to please discuss the issues here. Requested changes can be made by admins until such time as this article is unlocked. This decision was reached when I saw that Lilkunta had reinstated several of the edits without any apparent attempt to seek consensus, as he was requested to do by me on the user's talk page. 23skidoo 20:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC) You posted to me after you locked the page so you did not give me a chance. Did you also tell this message to EnemyOfTheState? I feel s/he acts as if he owns the page. The history shows he repeatedly changes what others add, as if s/he only knows what should be added. Lilkunta
1) I feel EnemyOfTheState, s/he acts as if he owns the page. The history shows he repeatedly changes what others add, as if s/he only knows what should be added.S/he repeatedly added uncited info( pax's DOB). Pax's DOB as 29 NOV hasnt been released. I checked both the ref and they say Nov 03 , his day of birth is not given. Please check that.
2)I tried to correct the awards. I checked the years. Instead of just deleting them, why not correct? Lilkunta
Firstly, I would respectfully ask you to use the normal font; it is almost impossible for me to read your text. In response to your statements:
-- EnemyOfTheState 18:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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I'm afraid this discussion goes nowhere, as Lilkunta is persistently ignoring the lengthy guidelines on WP:LEAD. I'm not sure what to do here, but I have no intentions to debate this obvious issue indefinitely. -- EnemyOfTheState 16:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
As a person who shares the same family name as Angelina, I would like to see this article only occupy Angelina_Jolie rather than also occupying the "Jolie" space which would be more appropriately used to discuss the origin/history etc. of the name. I was hoping to research my family name but there is nothing in that space. 158.228.209.145 14:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Angelina Jolie's mother Marcheline Bertrand was French Canadian which means Angelina is an American Canadian. This ought to be changed.
Pax's DOB has not been released. Change the info. EnemyOfTheState added this erroneous info as part of his continued domination of this AJ wiki page. The ref all say Nov 03, that is all we know at this time. I think this is good 4/as the last 2 paragraphs of that section:
I have removed the DOB as the BBC News source that was cited does not support it anyway. 23skidoo 16:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I'm from People Magazine. Can you please add a link in the external links section to our Celebrity Central Database at People.com ? It has a full biography of Jolie (including a professionally researched timeline), the photo archive from People, and full-text links to all the articles about her which have appeared in People. The link is http://www.people.com/people/angelina_jolie. Thank you.
Why was the pic of Mad & Aj deleted? I clicked on it too send a message to the person who added it, but User:Nv8200p deleted the info about the person who loaded it. Pls help. Lilkunta 12:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
The article has been locked for several days now and I haven't seen too much additional discussion regarding the edit-war issues from previous. We're not supposed to leave articles locked for extensive periods of time, so what should we do -- unlock it or leave the lock in place awhile longer? 23skidoo 23:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll wait to see if anyone else chimes in on this. Incidentally it will only go back to semi-protection; for whatever reason this article is a vandalism magnet and as such it should remain locked to unregistered users. Everytime it's unprotected we immediately have to deal with IP vandalism. 23skidoo 03:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
An editor has included a note that Shiloh is appearing in a Brad Pitt movie, but the only source cited is the IMDb. If a more reliable source can't be located, it should be removed. 23skidoo 17:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I removed a few sentences with unnecessary trivia that shouldn't be in an encyclopedic text imho (feel free to object):
Also, I included Pax' birthday again as a fact. Aside from the source given in the text, the date was also covered by several magazines ( [4], [5]) and I think it should be ok to use it. And I removed her alleged Czech-German ancestry which was recently introduced by LiberalConservative; this might very well be true, but LiberalConservative provided a very unlikely source, a NY Times article from 1944. I left a note on the his/her talk page to clear this up. -- EnemyOfTheState 15:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
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Hi there,
I'm the Web Liaison Manager for a Department of Education (UK) initiative called Teachers TV. We have an online video available with Angeline Jolie who narrates it, and features throughout it. It's free to watch online, and shows her good work for the UN.
Can I please create a link to this video? It would be of interest to both fans, and people interested in her work with the UN?
Here's some more information about it:
http://www.teachers.tv/video/18716
What's Going On?
Since the mid 1990s, more than 150,000 residents of the Democratic Republic of Congo have fled from their homes and country to escape the ravages of war.
On behalf of the United Nations and her own commitment to the refugee cause, Angelina Jolie travels to Africa to reach out to child refugees. In the Kibrizi Transit Centre in Tanzania, she meets the three Fataki brothers - orphans on the run from rebel troops in the DRC.
Alone, penniless, frightened and distraught, the boys are processed and sent to a refugee camp. Angelina travels with them to the camp, and helps them build a shelter that will be their home.
This programme journeys into the world of child refugees, and exposes the heartbreaking reality of their daily struggle to cope. It also reveals the power of hope and laughter, demonstrating that with the help of others, child refugees can still hold on to their dreams.
Ref 67 is blank, it's a repeated ref so rather than search I'm just notifying. Quadzilla99 13:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
She is gaight (half gay and half straight.) Can anyone find the interview where Angelina stated she would not get married till "people who should be able to get married, can" (in reference to gay marriage? 76.112.102.98 23:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- Title of Section - International Success- If you review each movie after this part, a majority were panned by the media, and ignored by fans. How is this international success?? Just wondering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.185.151.121 ( talk) 14:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I think Shiloh Jolie-Pitt should have her own article. She's starring in The Curious Case of Benjamin Button and isn't only Angelina Jolie's daughter but also Brad Pitt's.
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Jolie has got a tattoo which reads "know your rights" on her back. This information may be included in the section regarding this topic. —Preceding
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I think this [6] and other humanitarian work should be included but I cannot add it because of WP:COI -- BozMo talk 08:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
This picture is freely allowed to add to the article. -- Z33t4h 12:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I just worked with her on movie Changeling, she has tatoo on her back just below neck line which says "know your rights". Not sure how long she has had it but page should list all of her tatooes as it lists some and to list them all would be a sentence or two.
Hi there,
I was going through some Hollywood bios and came across Diane Keaton, another FA. In the lead theres a line stating her total box office gross - Keaton's films have earned a cumulative gross of over USD 1.1 billion in North America.[2]. Shouldn't there be a similar line in this article as well? Is there any particular set of guidelines for actors/actresses which could be followed while writing the leads of their articles?
Thanks, xC | ☎ 13:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
On the main page it shows she has received academy award which she never did. I think it should be nomination rather than award. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chotaidiot ( talk • contribs)
This says that Shiloh's birth was a scheduled caesarian but Jolie has said that Shiloh was breach and that was the reason that she delivered this way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.240.217 ( talk) 10:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Angelina Jolie's ancestry is inaccurate. Jon Voight's paternal grandfather was Czech, his paternal grandmother was English, his maternal grandfather was German, and his maternal grandmother was German. Thus, Jon Voight is 1/4 Czech, 1/4 English, and 1/2 German. Therefore, Angelina Jolie is 1/8 Czech, 1/8 English, 1/4 German, and 1/2 French Canadian with the "disputed" tiny droplet of "supposed" Iroquois blood. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by
Beautifulxlife ( talk • contribs).
I believe that angelinajoliepics.com should be included as an external reference. Jolieweb 02:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
French Canadians are almost all part Indian so this is not a surprise. The early settlers mixed with the Indians but later as more European women arrived that became less and less common. Possibly this could be more than a "sliver" even if she has no recent Indian ancestors there could be multiple Indian ancestors from 300-400 years ago. Clearly, Jon Voight knows nothing about Canadian history. French Canadians are not all French either. There were many Italians in the colony early on as part of Italy was then under French control. Jolie looks more Italian then French.
The problem with tracing Native American Ancestry is two-fold: 1) Native Americans have not always maintained paper birth records and 2) until recently many 'Whites' also of Native American descent felt a need to hide their non-White heritage in order to avoid discrimination. Therefore one should not automatically assume that Jolie is 'just barely' Native American.
Sean7phil ( talk) 01:28, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
If you take a look at the 1910 federal census of Yonkers, NY, you will see that Jon Voight's paternal grandmother, Mrs. Helen Voytko, was U.S.-born, but her parents were born in another country, listed as Hun-Slovak, as was her husband George Voytko. According to Wikipedia, Slovakia was a part of the Kingdom of Hungary until 1918, when it became Czechoslovakia. Census information is not absolutely reliable, but there is nothing here to indicate English heritage. Kayqueue 20:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC) As for Angelina's mom being French Canadian, perhaps she had French Canadian ancestry, but she was born in Illinois. See < http://marchelinebertrand.blogspot.com/>, where a cousin says she was born in a small town in Illinois. Kayqueue 00:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC) French-Canadian refers to people from Quebec or Arcadia which at one time included Illinois. Since they've been there a long time and were for two hundred years cut off from France they are distinguished from more recent French immigrants. French Canadians typically have some Indian blood because there were not many French women in the colony early on. Morocco also has ties to France as well. She has morocan blood too since her grandmother was born in Morocco. --Unsigned content added by User:71.59.237.189
Movie critic Anthony Lane of the New Yorker offers some choice observations about Jolie that I found insightful and may be worth incorporating. One amusing line in his description of her different aspects was, "2. The sexpot. In this she is unchallenged, and yet her timing is off by fifty years. When it comes to channelling her carnal appeal, no current film director has a clue; the guy she needs is Frank Tashlin, who guided Jayne Mansfield through “ The Girl Can't Help It” (1956) and “ Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?” (1957), and whose eyeballs, if confronted with Jolie in the flesh, would pop out on cartoon springs and bob around." - Banyan Tree 05:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
The article currently reads in at over 70kb. Perhaps its time to split into relevant sections? xC | ☎ 20:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
First, I want to say I think the article is great. Some sections might be trimmed up a bit, but otherwise, it is well-written and informative. Besides that it could be more concise, it is a good article. But I have one other suggestion! Her humanitarian work is so important that I think there should be a list of awards she has in that area in the Info Box! You have her entertainment industry awards, but what about her UNHCR and related awards? -- Ashley Rovira 15:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Minor copyedit: Under "Early life and family" - this is not a sentence as it has no subject: Because my son’s adopted, and families are earned. I think it needs to be merged either with the sentence before or after. Can someone more knowledgable help? Thanks. ♫ Cricket02 16:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
From the lead:
The footnote leads to this BBC News article which mentions one internet poll that placed Jolie top. That is in no way enough to justify the phrase "often cited". As it happens I agree that she is often cited as such... but the referencing here is clearly inadequate for the claim. 86.132.138.229 02:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else find this image better for the top than the current one? -- thedemonhog talk • edits 17:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Can someone find a more suitable image? Her face is hardly visible in the current image. Myoutbackshed 10:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
The crop and Photoshop job on the current image is horrible. Since she just visited Iraq recently, we should have some better government photos than this. thedemonhog's suggestion would fit better as well. ⇔ EntChickie 18:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
If you want to use the current picture as the lead image, wouldn't it be preferable cropping it a little bit to make it more of a portrait photograph? Something like that ? EnemyOfTheState ( talk) 12:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Could anyone confirm whether or not she has some black ancestry as there are several articles floating around claiming that her mom had an affair with a black or mulatto guy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.152.214 ( talk) 20:15, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
She has no black/mulatto ancestry. Her father's side of Czech is well documented. Her mother's side of Canadian-Frech blood is well documented. Ruth E 22:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Thats Canadian-French-Native American blood to be accurate.
Sean7phil ( talk) 01:28, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Jolie seems seems like a young film actor to have her Filmography moved off her main page already. It doesn't seem like it did all that much to shorten the page, and it seems like such primary information to move. Wouldn't it be better to edit down other sections that veer into trivia in order to shorten the page, or move something else, then move the filmography back to this page? For example, does the Tattoos section need to be so long? Or could it be moved? I think readers come to the Angelina Jolie page to read about her films (and many other topics) more so than to read about her tattoos. -- Melty girl 04:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
is she of slovak or czech ancestry? 60.242.48.18 13:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
It should be noted that if Marcheline Bertrand had Iroquois ancestry, the article must not then read 'Native American'. The native peoples of Canada (regarding Bertrand's French Canadian roots) are not referred to as 'Native American', they are primarily called 'First Nations'. I guess though the main question should be if she did indeed have Iroquois roots, were they based out of Canada? If the ancestry section is to stand, this should be rectified in the article. Sorry to bring up yet another ancestry section here. Bentonia School 13:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Incidents happened in india could be worth mentioning. Article states all positive and no negative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cool kanks ( talk • contribs) 18:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I read in an article on afterellen.com that she no longer identifies as bisexual. Does anyone know if this has been confirmed? 199.126.166.13 22:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
She is still bisexual. Get over it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.171.164 ( talk) 14:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I reverted the edit that removed the children from the Infobox. Why else do you think a "children" field was included? Of course they need to be listed there. I do agree wikilinking them was unnecessary as, for now at least, the links just redirect back here anyway, so I took those out. 23skidoo 04:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
All I can say in response to Melty Girl is that in order to determine "especially notable children" you must violate WP:NPOV. If you're willing to accept that by not listing the children that NPOV has been violated, allowing therefore any POV statements to be added to the article, then I'm fine with the change. 23skidoo ( talk) 00:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
The English articles have always a lot of trivia, especially in this article. why don´t you care more about the quality of the articles? its more gossip than information who are necessary for an encyclopedia. La Lovely 18:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)--
In the German Wikipedia is said that the names of the children of celebrities and other information about them are only necessary when there is a concrete interest of the children, I think the information about the children are too detailed and it needn´t to be mentioned how there full names are, where they were borned, etc. I think it´s enough to mention that they have 4 children and that 3 of them are adopted from a poor country. La Lovely 19:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)--
SOUTH PARK REFERENCE?
IS ANYONE GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE SOUTH PARK EPISODE? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.42.211.4 ( talk) 02:35, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious why the page protection was lifted recently. The article has already been vandalized half a dozen times, and there is no reason to expect it will get better. I don't think ending the protection was a very good idea. Sloan21 ( talk) 12:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest to put this page under semi-protection again. This ongoing reverting orgy really serves no purpose; there was hardly any meaningful edit form an unregistered user since this this article was unprotected. EnemyOfTheState ( talk) 13:44, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
EnemyOfTheState ( talk) 19:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)