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AnneBCG, regarding this and this, will you discuss what you want removed and why? Also keep in mind that, per WP:Claim, we should avoid "denial." Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 01:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Flyer22 Frozen: The current lead reads like a press release rather than a neutral article, and the lead glosses over controversial and notable aspects of the bio, such as intense coverage in tabloids/celebrity culture over marriages/relationships/health etc. In fact, this coverage predominates. Why do you feel this is inappropriate to revise? Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 22:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Krimuk2.0 and Betty Logan, speaking of recent additions, I just reverted this and this edit by M900417. Regarding the first edit, I do not at all see how the "I'm likely to sleep with my female fans" piece is needed. It's trivial. And also keep in mind that this statement was made when Jolie had a "wild child" image before changing that image. She would make provocative comments like this before that ceased. I also reverted because that Jolie fell in love with Jenny Shimizu is already made clear in the section. When she talks about falling in love with a woman when she was 20, she is clearly talking about Shimizu; Shimizu is the only woman she has acknowledged having fallen in love with. An hour ago, when checking in on this article, I thought about retaining the "fell in love with a woman" addition by M900417 and moving it right after the "I fell in love with her the first second I saw her." piece. After all, it gives more insight into Jolie's attraction to Shimizu. So I don't mind that addition much. But M900417 came back and added more material. With their second edit, they added, "In a 2000 interview with Elle magazine, she said: 'Honestly, I like everything. Boyish girls, girlish boys, the heavy and the skinny. Which is a problem when I'm walking down the street'." Exactly why is this detail needed? If one wants to state that it shows Jolie's type(s) or lack of type(s), it's still the case that we usually don't go into this kind of detail regarding other celebrities. Also, people's type can change over the years. For example, a man might initially only date blondes, but later be open to dating brunettes, attributing his previous preference to whatever. And then there's the Lara Croft piece that M900417 added. That's just excessive. The paragraph in question is supposed to be about Jolie's bisexuality. It does not need to get into thoughts about her take on the sexuality of a fictional character.
So...any thoughts? And, M900417, I would have reverted you without taking this matter to the talk page, but, looking at your contributions, it's clear that you would just come back and revert. So I brought it to the talk page. Do not WP:Edit war over this. Per WP:CAREFUL and WP:FAOWN, extra care should be taken with a WP:Feature article, which this is. We do not add trivia after trivia, or, as made by WP:DIARY, every little thing a subject has stated. You need to make your case here on the talk page for these additions. Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 14:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Her son John (formerly named Shiloh) is transgender and should be reflected in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:58A:8100:9440:5153:2BB5:4A3F:A354 ( talk) 17:55, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Vinny Weasel ( talk · contribs), regarding this and this? Why do you feel it's necessary to state "director, producer, writer" in place of "filmmaker"? I could see if you were only stating it in the infobox, but you have simultaneously added it to the lead. And why are you removing "humanitarian"? We have a whole, non-trivial section on her humanitarianism.
Anyway, filmmaker" has been discussed before. See Talk:Angelina Jolie/Archive 10#Filmmaker and Talk:Angelina Jolie/Archive 11#Filmmaker as occupation. I ask that you don't WP:Edit war on this. Make your case here. I don't mind the descriptions being in the infobox. So maybe only have them in the infobox as a compromise...along with retaining "humanitarian" there? Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 22:14, 9 June 2020 (UTC) Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 22:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC) Added in original timestamp; had forgot to sign.
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Jolie was in the movie “Looking to Get Out” when she was seven years old, not five years old. Please change it. Kellyrivera1899 ( talk) 07:18, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Kelly Rivera Kellyrivera1899 ( talk) 07:19, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Is there any need to include “formerly Jolie Pitt” in the leading sentence?
I don’t think so since “Angelina Jolie Pitt” is in the “other names” section in the Infobox.
The user who reverted my decision to remove it gave the reason:
"She did a movie and wrote under her married name. Use common sense."
And? The name "Angelina Jolie Pitt" is in the other names section.
It’s funny the user speaks of using common sense. Does that mean we have to include someone’s previous names in the leading sentence if he or she has been credited in all of those names? Obviously not.-- EsotericJoe ( talk) 17:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
I want to update the pic in the infobox as its already 6 years old. I'm suggesting this one
. its from 2019 Urgal ( talk) 17:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Their has been confusion and controversy over her first spouse, Jonny Lee Miller. This needs to be confirmed with a reliable source to specify that the divorce was in 1999 or 2000. Hartma9616 ( talk) 18:09, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Her divorce with Brad Pitt has not been finalized, as Brad and her were living together in 2019. They filed for divorce, but Angelina moved out in early 2020 and they're divorce is currently pending. Please confirm that the marriage is dissolved or not. Hartma9616 ( talk) 17:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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Reliable sources that describe Jolie as a humanitarian include:
You know Angelina Jolie — Academy Award–winning actor, filmmaker, humanitarian, and all-around Hollywood legend.[1]
Actress, activist and humanitarian Angelina Jolie...[2]
US actress, filmmaker and humanitarian Angelina Jolie...[3]
The humanitarian - who also describes herself as a 'mum and filmmaker'...[4]
In a New York Times op-ed published Thursday, the actress, filmmaker, and humanitarian writes...[5]
Jolie, a longtime humanitarian activist...[6]
Jolie, a longtime humanitarian...[7]
Actress and humanitarian Angelina Jolie made headlines in June...[8]
The humanitarian also said...[9]
The actress, filmmaker, and humanitarian penned an impassioned piece...[10]
But the actor and humanitarian is undeterred...[11]
After reportedly spending some time with the actress and humanitarian over the past few months...[12]
Putting the profession in the first sentence and infobox very clearly meets MOS:ROLEBIO. KyleJoan talk 12:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Actress Angelina Jolie date of birth is the 4th of July not June. It was originally July in your website then changed to June. Thanks 82.42.150.247 ( talk) 09:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
I watch CHANGELLING OVER N OVER again which was based on true story..I'm seeking your help since you r humanitarian ambassador in UN .cause I've almost similar situation.. 202.5.159.188 ( talk) 02:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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Cambodian American 2001:8F8:183F:B130:8143:FADF:380:B264 ( talk) 05:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Should we add a sentence or two to the "Relationships" section about this? https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/jolie-pitt-abuse-allegations-court-filing-1.6606760 ThePlug111 ( talk) 19:15, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
How do we feel about updating the infobox image to this new 2022 image (left)? The 2019 comic con image could be a runner up (right) if people aren't vibing with the newest one.
LADY LOTUS • TALK 20:35, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section:
This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 ( talk) 04:51, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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Change “film maker” to “film director, film producer”. Angelina deserves these titles just like other directors and producers (ie, Steven Spielberg’s page says film director and film producer).
Thank you 75.140.65.102 ( talk) 04:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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AnneBCG, regarding this and this, will you discuss what you want removed and why? Also keep in mind that, per WP:Claim, we should avoid "denial." Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 01:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Flyer22 Frozen: The current lead reads like a press release rather than a neutral article, and the lead glosses over controversial and notable aspects of the bio, such as intense coverage in tabloids/celebrity culture over marriages/relationships/health etc. In fact, this coverage predominates. Why do you feel this is inappropriate to revise? Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 22:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Krimuk2.0 and Betty Logan, speaking of recent additions, I just reverted this and this edit by M900417. Regarding the first edit, I do not at all see how the "I'm likely to sleep with my female fans" piece is needed. It's trivial. And also keep in mind that this statement was made when Jolie had a "wild child" image before changing that image. She would make provocative comments like this before that ceased. I also reverted because that Jolie fell in love with Jenny Shimizu is already made clear in the section. When she talks about falling in love with a woman when she was 20, she is clearly talking about Shimizu; Shimizu is the only woman she has acknowledged having fallen in love with. An hour ago, when checking in on this article, I thought about retaining the "fell in love with a woman" addition by M900417 and moving it right after the "I fell in love with her the first second I saw her." piece. After all, it gives more insight into Jolie's attraction to Shimizu. So I don't mind that addition much. But M900417 came back and added more material. With their second edit, they added, "In a 2000 interview with Elle magazine, she said: 'Honestly, I like everything. Boyish girls, girlish boys, the heavy and the skinny. Which is a problem when I'm walking down the street'." Exactly why is this detail needed? If one wants to state that it shows Jolie's type(s) or lack of type(s), it's still the case that we usually don't go into this kind of detail regarding other celebrities. Also, people's type can change over the years. For example, a man might initially only date blondes, but later be open to dating brunettes, attributing his previous preference to whatever. And then there's the Lara Croft piece that M900417 added. That's just excessive. The paragraph in question is supposed to be about Jolie's bisexuality. It does not need to get into thoughts about her take on the sexuality of a fictional character.
So...any thoughts? And, M900417, I would have reverted you without taking this matter to the talk page, but, looking at your contributions, it's clear that you would just come back and revert. So I brought it to the talk page. Do not WP:Edit war over this. Per WP:CAREFUL and WP:FAOWN, extra care should be taken with a WP:Feature article, which this is. We do not add trivia after trivia, or, as made by WP:DIARY, every little thing a subject has stated. You need to make your case here on the talk page for these additions. Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 14:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Her son John (formerly named Shiloh) is transgender and should be reflected in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:58A:8100:9440:5153:2BB5:4A3F:A354 ( talk) 17:55, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Vinny Weasel ( talk · contribs), regarding this and this? Why do you feel it's necessary to state "director, producer, writer" in place of "filmmaker"? I could see if you were only stating it in the infobox, but you have simultaneously added it to the lead. And why are you removing "humanitarian"? We have a whole, non-trivial section on her humanitarianism.
Anyway, filmmaker" has been discussed before. See Talk:Angelina Jolie/Archive 10#Filmmaker and Talk:Angelina Jolie/Archive 11#Filmmaker as occupation. I ask that you don't WP:Edit war on this. Make your case here. I don't mind the descriptions being in the infobox. So maybe only have them in the infobox as a compromise...along with retaining "humanitarian" there? Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 22:14, 9 June 2020 (UTC) Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 22:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC) Added in original timestamp; had forgot to sign.
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Jolie was in the movie “Looking to Get Out” when she was seven years old, not five years old. Please change it. Kellyrivera1899 ( talk) 07:18, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Kelly Rivera Kellyrivera1899 ( talk) 07:19, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Is there any need to include “formerly Jolie Pitt” in the leading sentence?
I don’t think so since “Angelina Jolie Pitt” is in the “other names” section in the Infobox.
The user who reverted my decision to remove it gave the reason:
"She did a movie and wrote under her married name. Use common sense."
And? The name "Angelina Jolie Pitt" is in the other names section.
It’s funny the user speaks of using common sense. Does that mean we have to include someone’s previous names in the leading sentence if he or she has been credited in all of those names? Obviously not.-- EsotericJoe ( talk) 17:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
I want to update the pic in the infobox as its already 6 years old. I'm suggesting this one
. its from 2019 Urgal ( talk) 17:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Their has been confusion and controversy over her first spouse, Jonny Lee Miller. This needs to be confirmed with a reliable source to specify that the divorce was in 1999 or 2000. Hartma9616 ( talk) 18:09, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Her divorce with Brad Pitt has not been finalized, as Brad and her were living together in 2019. They filed for divorce, but Angelina moved out in early 2020 and they're divorce is currently pending. Please confirm that the marriage is dissolved or not. Hartma9616 ( talk) 17:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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Reliable sources that describe Jolie as a humanitarian include:
You know Angelina Jolie — Academy Award–winning actor, filmmaker, humanitarian, and all-around Hollywood legend.[1]
Actress, activist and humanitarian Angelina Jolie...[2]
US actress, filmmaker and humanitarian Angelina Jolie...[3]
The humanitarian - who also describes herself as a 'mum and filmmaker'...[4]
In a New York Times op-ed published Thursday, the actress, filmmaker, and humanitarian writes...[5]
Jolie, a longtime humanitarian activist...[6]
Jolie, a longtime humanitarian...[7]
Actress and humanitarian Angelina Jolie made headlines in June...[8]
The humanitarian also said...[9]
The actress, filmmaker, and humanitarian penned an impassioned piece...[10]
But the actor and humanitarian is undeterred...[11]
After reportedly spending some time with the actress and humanitarian over the past few months...[12]
Putting the profession in the first sentence and infobox very clearly meets MOS:ROLEBIO. KyleJoan talk 12:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Actress Angelina Jolie date of birth is the 4th of July not June. It was originally July in your website then changed to June. Thanks 82.42.150.247 ( talk) 09:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
I watch CHANGELLING OVER N OVER again which was based on true story..I'm seeking your help since you r humanitarian ambassador in UN .cause I've almost similar situation.. 202.5.159.188 ( talk) 02:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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Cambodian American 2001:8F8:183F:B130:8143:FADF:380:B264 ( talk) 05:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Should we add a sentence or two to the "Relationships" section about this? https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/jolie-pitt-abuse-allegations-court-filing-1.6606760 ThePlug111 ( talk) 19:15, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
How do we feel about updating the infobox image to this new 2022 image (left)? The 2019 comic con image could be a runner up (right) if people aren't vibing with the newest one.
LADY LOTUS • TALK 20:35, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section:
This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 ( talk) 04:51, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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Change “film maker” to “film director, film producer”. Angelina deserves these titles just like other directors and producers (ie, Steven Spielberg’s page says film director and film producer).
Thank you 75.140.65.102 ( talk) 04:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)