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So there's this picture of her floating around the internet that shows her doing that same exact hand pose where she touches her fingers together and it usually has the caption "superglue: use it carefully / be careful with it / don't stick your fingers in it."
You can see it here... http://lh3.ggpht.com/_9F9_RUESS2E/TGxEpaSxitI/AAAAAAAADf0/aGeoMB7mQ9k/s800/pod0018-merkel-superglue.jpg ...and here... http://www.google.com/search?q=careful%20with%20superglue&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=np&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=911&bih=366
Any reasons for this? Why is it not mentioned? Is it Illuminati symbolism? Discuss.
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For me, the sentence "was the Chancellor of Germany from 22 November 2005 until 07 October 2011" sounds like she isn't the Chancellor anymore. Couldn't we just say "is the Chancellor of Germany since 2005"? 93.233.7.65 ( talk) 14:44, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Would it be relevant in this article to include that she is a madly enthusiastic supporter of Futball, both at the German National Team level and Bayern Munich? If no-one objects I will put this in. Old_Wombat ( talk) 10:05, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
OK, I'll accept your point of view and leave it at that. Old_Wombat ( talk) 06:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
This can only be meant to refer to Helmut Schmidt - but it is totally misleading to call him a military officer. He was a conscript in WW II and rose to the rank of a lieutenant, i. e., he was never a professional soldier. None of the German chancellors was. Since English is not my mother tongue, would anybody be kind enough to make the necessary change in the sentence about what other chancellors had studied or done before they became politicians? 141.91.129.6 ( talk) 13:27, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Maybe there is a simple explanation related to local customs, but why is it that she keeps her first husband surname (Merkel)? Why isn’t she using her maiden name or even her second –and current- husband’s surname(Sauer)? It’s not like she was an artist and copyrighted her famous name or something.-- Magnvss ( talk) 23:01, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
I fear this may connote something a little less democratic than what actually occurred. I recommend a retitling of this section.
128.227.215.224 ( talk) 20:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
This page lists Merkel's birthdate as 17 July 1954, but it lists her brother Marcus' birthdate as 7 July 1954. Obviously, barring some exception to the current understanding of biology and human anatomy, these dates are incompatible (unless Marcus is her half-brother, in which case, that should be sourced and changed). Is this a typo? If so, are they twins, and someone simply mis-typed the date? Or are the dates correct and the year is simply off? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinsmith63 ( talk • contribs) 22:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Does Merkel have a back problem or does she simply have bad posture? 109.175.159.39 ( talk) 10:33, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
I find it exceedingly odd that this article about one of the world's leading political figures contains only one passing reference to the euro crisis, in which she has played a pivotal role. Hardly a day goes by without some news report of Merkel's comments on the crisis, the rescue fund, the situation of Greece, etc. If this article appeared in a professionally produced encyclopedia, it would contain, say, half a dozen paragraphs about Chancellor Merkel's involvement and policies vis-a-vis the sovereign-debt and euro crises.
Sca ( talk) 21:58, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
I was coming on here just to say the same thing. There is absolutely no sense of historical context in this article at all, just a lot of "firsts" - first woman to be this, first chancellor to do that, like it was written in 2005 right after her election. We won't know how the Eurozone situation will resolve itself yet, but surely historians will be looking at Merkel's role closely in later years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.216.30 ( talk) 17:44, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Despite the fact that the article currently cites the pronunciation /aŋˈɡeːla/, both in writing and in the accompanying sound file – and even though the footnote says that Merkel wollte immer mit der Betonung auf dem 'e' Angela genannt werden. (Merkel always wanted her first name to be pronounced with the stress on the 'e'.) – the fact is that /ˈaŋɡela/ is the only pronunciation you are ever likely to hear in Germany. One does not always get what one wants, even in the matter of others' pronunciation of one's own name, and even when one is Chancellor of Germany! I think we should, in the first instance, report what Dr Merkel is actually called; the fact that she may have wished that her name were pronounced otherwise is still something worth commenting upon, but I feel that the observation should be confined to the footnote. -- Picapica ( talk) 19:16, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Good faith OR and speculation, can reopen if there's a source. a13ean ( talk) 20:28, 26 October 2012 (UTC) |
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The article says Merkel "at school ... learned to speak Russian fluently." Meanwhile, the article on Putin says he "speaks fluent German ... his family used to speak German at home." It would be interesting to know what language the two of them speak when they meet for official talks. Sca ( talk) 22:45, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
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Please change "currently ranked as the world's fourth most powerful person by the Forbes magazine"
to
"currently ranked as the world's second most powerful person by the Forbes magazine"
as the link to the Forbes list shows that she is second in 2012, she was first in 2011
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_Magazine%27s_List_of_The_World%27s_Most_Powerful_People
Redwoody86 ( talk) 20:16, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
There's still a mention of the fourth place at the end of the "comparisons" section - I would presume that this either needs to be updated to match, or be removed due to redundancy after having been mentioned earlier. caLiber banter 15:29, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Hallo enWP, we have now a large article about the topic, named de:Angela Merkel/Öffentliche Wahrnehmung und Inszenierung - ist about scientific background and examples of public insignia, from travelling pantsuit till Merkel-Raute. I assume it would be a nice endeavour to have it translated, but would prefer to have a feedback at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Germany#Angela_Merkel_in_popular_culture. Cheers Serten ( talk) 14:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Re: this and this. I'm not sure why I'm supposed to "take it to talk" when it's the other editor who is removing sourced text and changing the wording so that it doesn't match the source. Ok, the first time around it was sort of understandable as I had not had the chance to add a source. But that source has since been added so I would appreciate it if the info wasn't arbitrarily removed.
I'm also at a loss as to how this source [1] is supposed to prove anything. No page number, no nothing, just a bear link. All the other sources available describe Merkel's grandfather as a Pole (which is sort of the whole point and why the info is interesting).
Undoing the revert. Volunteer Marek 00:09, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
<-- You're obviously suffering form a bad case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT.
No one's disputing that Ludwig Kazmierczak had German citizenship (after 1915). Will you please stop beating on that poor and irrelevant strawman? What matter is that sources describe him as Polish. Der Spiegel. Gazeta Wyborcza. And more. Another example, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung:
"Ihr Großvater Ludwig Kazmierczak war offenbar ein waschechter Pole - und hat als Soldat der Haller-Armee möglicherweise die Waffen gegen Deutschland erhoben."
Translation: "Her grandfather Ludwig Kazmierczak was obviously a genuine Pole - and as a soldier of the Haller Army (the Blue Army - VM) may have took up arms against Germany."
You can maintain whatever pleases you most. But that. Doesn't. Matter. Articles on Wikipedia are not written based on idiosyncratic opinions of random editors and the things they "maintain". They are written based on reliable sources. And reliable sources call Kazmierczak a Pole (it's Angela herself who has "Polish roots") and they state he was in the Blue Army. The most respectable German newspapers (not "sensationalist media" as you tried to pretend earlier) have no problem with it, just you. So quit it with the games playing, the IDIDNTHEARTHAT and the WP:IDONTLIKEIT and quit removing well sourced material. Volunteer Marek 16:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Sorry IIIraute, but Marek is, indeed, right. Your behavior is a classic case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. The fact that Ludwig was born in the German Empire doesn't make him less of a Pole. Armenians didn't have a state from 1375 until 1918 and every Armenian who was born in that period was not an Armenian? -- Երևանցի talk 22:38, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Oh my, whole paragraph about grandfather and in which armies he may have fought? This is just retarded yellow press style promotion of some Germany vs Poland controversy. At most it would deserve a single sentence of Merkel having some Polish ancestry from paternal grandfathers side and thats it. Whole "in which armies her grandfather served and against whom he may have fought" is clearly just a trivia.-- Staberinde ( talk) 14:01, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
I see that the text
has again been changed to
without any explanation. In my opinion, the changed version means that no other woman has held both offices before, stongly implying that some unknown woman has held one of the offices before. The original text was the most concise way of expressing that she was the first woman chancellor and the first woman leader of the CDU, which is, in my opinion what the statement is meant to say. I suppose it is possible that one of these statements has a different meaning in some variant of English, but I would like to see third-party confirmation if that is believed to be the case. If no convincing explanation for the change is forthcoming, I will again revert. I suggest compliance with WP:BRD. -- Boson ( talk) 23:42, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Merkel was in support of the Iraq war und wanted to join the USA in case she was elected in the year 2002. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.240.124.39 ( talk) 20:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the archives of this page, past discussions seem to support inclusion of her family history, with only one person objecting for unconvincing reasons. Indeed, articles on American politicians such as Obama include vast information on their family (there is even an entire article devoted to the subject: Family of Barack Obama). The name change to Kasner from the original Polish name in 1930 seems particularly relevant. Also, I see no consensus not to use proper English grammar in the article. Elizabeth Cumberbatch ( talk) 23:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
The consensus is to include the material, so kindly stop removing sourced material. You do not have a veto on whether to use correct English grammar or on whether to include sourced and relevant information that sources have reported widely on. Leaving out that the family changed their name to Kasner in 1930 is nothing but historical revisionism. That this essential part of her family history only belongs "in the article about her father" is just wrong. Elizabeth Cumberbatch ( talk) 06:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Obviously far to experienced to be a "new" editor ... and a minute later you turn up?! - if you are trying to imply that User:Elizabeth_Cumberbatch is a sock puppet (of myself or anyone else) then put up or shut up. Present evidence, file an SPI report whatever. Or at the very least have the courage to make that kind of accusation explicitly. If not, then please refrain from making such baseless accusations in the future.
Additionally, I would appreciate it if you referred to me - if refer you must - by my user name, Volunteer Marek. "VM" is sufficient. Please don't try to "parody" it in some attempt to insult me. And this talk page is not the place to air personal opinions about who should be banned, is it? There's plenty of other pages for that but somehow no matter how many spurious and bad faithed reports have been filed, no banning of myself from German related topics has taken place. Because there is no reason for such action. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 07:09, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Fact: Ludwig Kazmierczak was a German citizen born in Posen, German Empire in 1896. (In 1793, Posen came under the control of Prussia. With Prussia, the province became part of the united German Empire in 1871.)
Fact: Ludwig Kazmierczak officially changed his name to "Ludwig Kasner" - meaning - his name is "Ludwig Kasner", and that is how the article should refer to him.
The Guardian: "Not only was her grandfather of Polish origin, the chancellor almost was born Angela Kazmierczak. Her grandfather was a Ludwig Kazmierczak, born 1896 in Poznan – then part of the German Reich. The family was proud of its Polish roots. Obviously not grandpa Ludwig who emigrated to Berlin when Poznan became Polish again after the first world war. He married a Berlin woman, and they had a son – Horst Kazmierczak, Angela's father. The family decided to cut their Polish roots in the early 30s. The Kazmierczaks followed a common fashion and Germanised their family name to Kasner." see
Fact: "Ludwig Kazmierczak was one of those who left his native land and part of his family behind and set off for Berlin, where he met his future wife Margarethe." (Angela Merkel: The Authorized Biography, p. 14) He did not take his "German-born fiancée Margarethe with him to Poznan ... to later settle in Berlin".
Another fact, Volunteer Marek rather prefers to stifle, because it does not fit his glorious "grandpa did fight for the Poles only" propaganda:
n-tv: "Ludwig was mobilised into the German army in 1915 and fought for the German Empire in France, where in 1918, he was taken prisoner of war or deserted" see
Deutsche Welle: "According to the largest Polish daily "Gazeta Wyborcza," her grandfather Ludwig Kazmierczak was Polish and is believed to have fought against the Germans as a Polish soldier in 1918." see
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: "...during the First World War, [this army] was formed under French command, from German POW's of Polish origin, and at least some of their units, have fought in 1918 ... experts, like the Polish historian Wolodzimierz Boriodziej did confirm to this newspaper, that it is not ruled out that Kazmierczak could have raised his arms against Germany." see
Volunteer Marek, i.e Elizabeth Cumberbatch claim to have editor consensus on their side, yet - as evident from the talk-archive discussion - such a consensus was never achieved.
Since there was no consensus for the changes made to the version that was stable for the last four months (and for much longer before VM's edit warring four months ago), Elizabeth Cumberbatch and Volunteer Marek have violated several WP policies with their reverts, especially by not following the previously suggested Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which means retaining the status before the bold edit was made and reverted; i.e. "leave the article in the condition it was in before the Bold edit was made" (often called the status quo ante). -- IIIraute ( talk) 05:57, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I've seen Marek interrupting, edit warring and pushing his POV more than a dozen times now. It might be about time for a little break. -- Horst-schlaemma ( talk) 13:40, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the archives of this page, past discussions seem to support inclusion of her family history, with only one person objecting for unconvincing reasons. Indeed, articles on American politicians such as Obama include vast information on their family (there is even an entire article devoted to the subject: Family of Barack Obama). The name change to Kasner from the original Polish name in 1930 seems particularly relevant. Also, I see no consensus not to use proper English grammar in the article. Elizabeth Cumberbatch ( talk) 23:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
The consensus is to include the material, so kindly stop removing sourced material. You do not have a veto on whether to use correct English grammar or on whether to include sourced and relevant information that sources have reported widely on. Leaving out that the family changed their name to Kasner in 1930 is nothing but historical revisionism. That this essential part of her family history only belongs "in the article about her father" is just wrong. Elizabeth Cumberbatch ( talk) 06:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Obviously far to experienced to be a "new" editor ... and a minute later you turn up?! - if you are trying to imply that User:Elizabeth_Cumberbatch is a sock puppet (of myself or anyone else) then put up or shut up. Present evidence, file an SPI report whatever. Or at the very least have the courage to make that kind of accusation explicitly. If not, then please refrain from making such baseless accusations in the future.
Additionally, I would appreciate it if you referred to me - if refer you must - by my user name, Volunteer Marek. "VM" is sufficient. Please don't try to "parody" it in some attempt to insult me. And this talk page is not the place to air personal opinions about who should be banned, is it? There's plenty of other pages for that but somehow no matter how many spurious and bad faithed reports have been filed, no banning of myself from German related topics has taken place. Because there is no reason for such action. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 07:09, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Fact: Ludwig Kazmierczak was a German citizen born in Posen, German Empire in 1896. (In 1793, Posen came under the control of Prussia. With Prussia, the province became part of the united German Empire in 1871.)
Fact: Ludwig Kazmierczak officially changed his name to "Ludwig Kasner" - meaning - his name is "Ludwig Kasner", and that is how the article should refer to him.
The Guardian: "Not only was her grandfather of Polish origin, the chancellor almost was born Angela Kazmierczak. Her grandfather was a Ludwig Kazmierczak, born 1896 in Poznan – then part of the German Reich. The family was proud of its Polish roots. Obviously not grandpa Ludwig who emigrated to Berlin when Poznan became Polish again after the first world war. He married a Berlin woman, and they had a son – Horst Kazmierczak, Angela's father. The family decided to cut their Polish roots in the early 30s. The Kazmierczaks followed a common fashion and Germanised their family name to Kasner." see
Fact: "Ludwig Kazmierczak was one of those who left his native land and part of his family behind and set off for Berlin, where he met his future wife Margarethe." (Angela Merkel: The Authorized Biography, p. 14) He did not take his "German-born fiancée Margarethe with him to Poznan ... to later settle in Berlin".
Another fact, Volunteer Marek rather prefers to stifle, because it does not fit his glorious "grandpa did fight for the Poles only" propaganda:
n-tv: "Ludwig was mobilised into the German army in 1915 and fought for the German Empire in France, where in 1918, he was taken prisoner of war or deserted" see
Deutsche Welle: "According to the largest Polish daily "Gazeta Wyborcza," her grandfather Ludwig Kazmierczak was Polish and is believed to have fought against the Germans as a Polish soldier in 1918." see
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: "...during the First World War, [this army] was formed under French command, from German POW's of Polish origin, and at least some of their units, have fought in 1918 ... experts, like the Polish historian Wolodzimierz Boriodziej did confirm to this newspaper, that it is not ruled out that Kazmierczak could have raised his arms against Germany." see
Volunteer Marek, i.e Elizabeth Cumberbatch claim to have editor consensus on their side, yet - as evident from the talk-archive discussion - such a consensus was never achieved.
Since there was no consensus for the changes made to the version that was stable for the last four months (and for much longer before VM's edit warring four months ago), Elizabeth Cumberbatch and Volunteer Marek have violated several WP policies with their reverts, especially by not following the previously suggested Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which means retaining the status before the bold edit was made and reverted; i.e. "leave the article in the condition it was in before the Bold edit was made" (often called the status quo ante). -- IIIraute ( talk) 05:57, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I've seen Marek interrupting, edit warring and pushing his POV more than a dozen times now. It might be about time for a little break. -- Horst-schlaemma ( talk) 13:40, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Considering how important she is as a world figure there is practically no information about important policies of hers such as on the European Union, and Russia... This article needs a major expansion... -- Kuzwa ( talk) 01:41, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Considering how important she is as a world figure there is practically no information about important policies of hers such as on the European Union, and Russia... This article needs a major expansion... -- Kuzwa ( talk) 01:41, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I removed a section about German-Indian foreign relations under Merkel's chancellorship. This is really a minor aspect of her biography; having such a long section gives undue weight to it, relative to say German relations with other EU countries, German-US or German-Russian relations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.193.200.242 ( talk) 20:48, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Rewrite? That's not the point. The point is that this is a very marginal aspect of her biography, so marginal that it has no place in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.193.200.242 ( talk) 21:00, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Are you for real?? I explained why this section has no place in the article and you throw insults at me. Why this hostility??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.193.200.242 ( talk) 21:16, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the archives of this page, past discussions seem to support inclusion of her family history, with only one person objecting for unconvincing reasons. Indeed, articles on American politicians such as Obama include vast information on their family (there is even an entire article devoted to the subject: Family of Barack Obama). The name change to Kasner from the original Polish name in 1930 seems particularly relevant. Also, I see no consensus not to use proper English grammar in the article. Elizabeth Cumberbatch ( talk) 23:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
The consensus is to include the material, so kindly stop removing sourced material. You do not have a veto on whether to use correct English grammar or on whether to include sourced and relevant information that sources have reported widely on. Leaving out that the family changed their name to Kasner in 1930 is nothing but historical revisionism. That this essential part of her family history only belongs "in the article about her father" is just wrong. Elizabeth Cumberbatch ( talk) 06:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Obviously far to experienced to be a "new" editor ... and a minute later you turn up?! - if you are trying to imply that User:Elizabeth_Cumberbatch is a sock puppet (of myself or anyone else) then put up or shut up. Present evidence, file an SPI report whatever. Or at the very least have the courage to make that kind of accusation explicitly. If not, then please refrain from making such baseless accusations in the future.
Additionally, I would appreciate it if you referred to me - if refer you must - by my user name, Volunteer Marek. "VM" is sufficient. Please don't try to "parody" it in some attempt to insult me. And this talk page is not the place to air personal opinions about who should be banned, is it? There's plenty of other pages for that but somehow no matter how many spurious and bad faithed reports have been filed, no banning of myself from German related topics has taken place. Because there is no reason for such action. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 07:09, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Please also see: Talk:Angela Merkel#Image -- IIIraute ( talk) 00:45, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Fact: Ludwig Kazmierczak was a German citizen born in Posen, German Empire in 1896. (In 1793, Posen came under the control of Prussia. With Prussia, the province became part of the united German Empire in 1871.)
Fact: Ludwig Kazmierczak officially changed his name to "Ludwig Kasner" - meaning - his name is "Ludwig Kasner", and that is how the article should refer to him.
The Guardian: "Not only was her grandfather of Polish origin, the chancellor almost was born Angela Kazmierczak. Her grandfather was a Ludwig Kazmierczak, born 1896 in Poznan – then part of the German Reich. The family was proud of its Polish roots. Obviously not grandpa Ludwig who emigrated to Berlin when Poznan became Polish again after the first world war. He married a Berlin woman, and they had a son – Horst Kazmierczak, Angela's father. The family decided to cut their Polish roots in the early 30s. The Kazmierczaks followed a common fashion and Germanised their family name to Kasner." see
Fact: "Ludwig Kazmierczak was one of those who left his native land and part of his family behind and set off for Berlin, where he met his future wife Margarethe." (Angela Merkel: The Authorized Biography, p. 14) He did not take his "German-born fiancée Margarethe with him to Poznan ... to later settle in Berlin".
Another fact, Volunteer Marek rather prefers to stifle, because it does not fit his glorious "grandpa did fight for the Poles only" propaganda:
n-tv: "Ludwig was mobilised into the German army in 1915 and fought for the German Empire in France, where in 1918, he was taken prisoner of war or deserted" see
Deutsche Welle: "According to the largest Polish daily "Gazeta Wyborcza," her grandfather Ludwig Kazmierczak was Polish and is believed to have fought against the Germans as a Polish soldier in 1918." see
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: "...during the First World War, [this army] was formed under French command, from German POW's of Polish origin, and at least some of their units, have fought in 1918 ... experts, like the Polish historian Wolodzimierz Boriodziej did confirm to this newspaper, that it is not ruled out that Kazmierczak could have raised his arms against Germany." see
Volunteer Marek, i.e Elizabeth Cumberbatch claim to have editor consensus on their side, yet - as evident from the talk-archive discussion - such a consensus was never achieved.
Since there was no consensus for the changes made to the version that was stable for the last four months (and for much longer before VM's edit warring four months ago), Elizabeth Cumberbatch and Volunteer Marek have violated several WP policies with their reverts, especially by not following the previously suggested Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which means retaining the status before the bold edit was made and reverted; i.e. "leave the article in the condition it was in before the Bold edit was made" (often called the status quo ante). -- IIIraute ( talk) 05:57, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I've seen Marek interrupting, edit warring and pushing his POV more than a dozen times now. It might be about time for a little break. -- Horst-schlaemma ( talk) 13:40, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Please also see: Talk:Angela Merkel#Image -- IIIraute ( talk) 00:44, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Since IIIraute keeps linking to this section at every opportunity, I feel compelled to point out that this version is very much a redacted of what it was previously. A good thing too. IIIraute's original post was one long rant full of extreme personal attacks, falsehoods, WP:ASPERSIONS and borderline WP:OUTING. Hence my original reply: "There is not a chance in hell that I'm replying to this barrage of personal attacks, falsehoods, unfounded accusations, attempts at outing and intimidation and bad faith." IIIraute was made to remove the worst of the lot by an administrator. More of the same, which he didn't remove, had to be removed by the administrator/arb com members themselves. (Edits are in talk page history, not gonna provide diffs here since they involve personal attacks etc). It's good that this material was removed but by having set a tone in such a way IIIraute pretty much precluded the possibility of good faithed discussion in this particular thread. Didn't apologize either. Hence my total lack of response to this nonsense. If IIIraute wishes to apologize and discuss the issue in a calm and civil manner I'd be happy to do so, but it would be best if he created a new section which isn't tarred by having been redacted to remove personal attacks. It'd also help matters if he stopped gratuitously linking to this section. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 18:37, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
While we have an RfC on the inclusion of the image above, it's apparent that IIIraute wishes to remove any mention of Merkel's grandfather's ethnicity or the fact that he served in the Polish Blue Army, except in the vaguest of terms.
This is information which is reliably sourced and pertinent. It provides valuable historical information. Of course we shouldn't give too much weight too it, but we don't need a section or even a paragraph on it. Two well sourced sentences or so should be enough.
Do we need a separate RfC on this?
Volunteer Marek ( talk) 03:18, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
May I ask why this is so important? It seems to me to be a topic so distant from the subject's notability that it might even be considered trivia. Joe Bodacious ( talk) 18:58, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
While Merkel's grandfather's colorful First World War career is definitely important in his own biography, and possibly also deserves mention in Merkel's fathers biography, its a total trivia in relation to Merkel's biography.-- Staberinde ( talk) 16:03, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
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So there's this picture of her floating around the internet that shows her doing that same exact hand pose where she touches her fingers together and it usually has the caption "superglue: use it carefully / be careful with it / don't stick your fingers in it."
You can see it here... http://lh3.ggpht.com/_9F9_RUESS2E/TGxEpaSxitI/AAAAAAAADf0/aGeoMB7mQ9k/s800/pod0018-merkel-superglue.jpg ...and here... http://www.google.com/search?q=careful%20with%20superglue&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=np&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=911&bih=366
Any reasons for this? Why is it not mentioned? Is it Illuminati symbolism? Discuss.
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For me, the sentence "was the Chancellor of Germany from 22 November 2005 until 07 October 2011" sounds like she isn't the Chancellor anymore. Couldn't we just say "is the Chancellor of Germany since 2005"? 93.233.7.65 ( talk) 14:44, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Would it be relevant in this article to include that she is a madly enthusiastic supporter of Futball, both at the German National Team level and Bayern Munich? If no-one objects I will put this in. Old_Wombat ( talk) 10:05, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
OK, I'll accept your point of view and leave it at that. Old_Wombat ( talk) 06:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
This can only be meant to refer to Helmut Schmidt - but it is totally misleading to call him a military officer. He was a conscript in WW II and rose to the rank of a lieutenant, i. e., he was never a professional soldier. None of the German chancellors was. Since English is not my mother tongue, would anybody be kind enough to make the necessary change in the sentence about what other chancellors had studied or done before they became politicians? 141.91.129.6 ( talk) 13:27, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Maybe there is a simple explanation related to local customs, but why is it that she keeps her first husband surname (Merkel)? Why isn’t she using her maiden name or even her second –and current- husband’s surname(Sauer)? It’s not like she was an artist and copyrighted her famous name or something.-- Magnvss ( talk) 23:01, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
I fear this may connote something a little less democratic than what actually occurred. I recommend a retitling of this section.
128.227.215.224 ( talk) 20:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
This page lists Merkel's birthdate as 17 July 1954, but it lists her brother Marcus' birthdate as 7 July 1954. Obviously, barring some exception to the current understanding of biology and human anatomy, these dates are incompatible (unless Marcus is her half-brother, in which case, that should be sourced and changed). Is this a typo? If so, are they twins, and someone simply mis-typed the date? Or are the dates correct and the year is simply off? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinsmith63 ( talk • contribs) 22:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Does Merkel have a back problem or does she simply have bad posture? 109.175.159.39 ( talk) 10:33, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
I find it exceedingly odd that this article about one of the world's leading political figures contains only one passing reference to the euro crisis, in which she has played a pivotal role. Hardly a day goes by without some news report of Merkel's comments on the crisis, the rescue fund, the situation of Greece, etc. If this article appeared in a professionally produced encyclopedia, it would contain, say, half a dozen paragraphs about Chancellor Merkel's involvement and policies vis-a-vis the sovereign-debt and euro crises.
Sca ( talk) 21:58, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
I was coming on here just to say the same thing. There is absolutely no sense of historical context in this article at all, just a lot of "firsts" - first woman to be this, first chancellor to do that, like it was written in 2005 right after her election. We won't know how the Eurozone situation will resolve itself yet, but surely historians will be looking at Merkel's role closely in later years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.216.30 ( talk) 17:44, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Despite the fact that the article currently cites the pronunciation /aŋˈɡeːla/, both in writing and in the accompanying sound file – and even though the footnote says that Merkel wollte immer mit der Betonung auf dem 'e' Angela genannt werden. (Merkel always wanted her first name to be pronounced with the stress on the 'e'.) – the fact is that /ˈaŋɡela/ is the only pronunciation you are ever likely to hear in Germany. One does not always get what one wants, even in the matter of others' pronunciation of one's own name, and even when one is Chancellor of Germany! I think we should, in the first instance, report what Dr Merkel is actually called; the fact that she may have wished that her name were pronounced otherwise is still something worth commenting upon, but I feel that the observation should be confined to the footnote. -- Picapica ( talk) 19:16, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
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The article says Merkel "at school ... learned to speak Russian fluently." Meanwhile, the article on Putin says he "speaks fluent German ... his family used to speak German at home." It would be interesting to know what language the two of them speak when they meet for official talks. Sca ( talk) 22:45, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
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Please change "currently ranked as the world's fourth most powerful person by the Forbes magazine"
to
"currently ranked as the world's second most powerful person by the Forbes magazine"
as the link to the Forbes list shows that she is second in 2012, she was first in 2011
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_Magazine%27s_List_of_The_World%27s_Most_Powerful_People
Redwoody86 ( talk) 20:16, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
There's still a mention of the fourth place at the end of the "comparisons" section - I would presume that this either needs to be updated to match, or be removed due to redundancy after having been mentioned earlier. caLiber banter 15:29, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Hallo enWP, we have now a large article about the topic, named de:Angela Merkel/Öffentliche Wahrnehmung und Inszenierung - ist about scientific background and examples of public insignia, from travelling pantsuit till Merkel-Raute. I assume it would be a nice endeavour to have it translated, but would prefer to have a feedback at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Germany#Angela_Merkel_in_popular_culture. Cheers Serten ( talk) 14:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Re: this and this. I'm not sure why I'm supposed to "take it to talk" when it's the other editor who is removing sourced text and changing the wording so that it doesn't match the source. Ok, the first time around it was sort of understandable as I had not had the chance to add a source. But that source has since been added so I would appreciate it if the info wasn't arbitrarily removed.
I'm also at a loss as to how this source [1] is supposed to prove anything. No page number, no nothing, just a bear link. All the other sources available describe Merkel's grandfather as a Pole (which is sort of the whole point and why the info is interesting).
Undoing the revert. Volunteer Marek 00:09, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
<-- You're obviously suffering form a bad case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT.
No one's disputing that Ludwig Kazmierczak had German citizenship (after 1915). Will you please stop beating on that poor and irrelevant strawman? What matter is that sources describe him as Polish. Der Spiegel. Gazeta Wyborcza. And more. Another example, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung:
"Ihr Großvater Ludwig Kazmierczak war offenbar ein waschechter Pole - und hat als Soldat der Haller-Armee möglicherweise die Waffen gegen Deutschland erhoben."
Translation: "Her grandfather Ludwig Kazmierczak was obviously a genuine Pole - and as a soldier of the Haller Army (the Blue Army - VM) may have took up arms against Germany."
You can maintain whatever pleases you most. But that. Doesn't. Matter. Articles on Wikipedia are not written based on idiosyncratic opinions of random editors and the things they "maintain". They are written based on reliable sources. And reliable sources call Kazmierczak a Pole (it's Angela herself who has "Polish roots") and they state he was in the Blue Army. The most respectable German newspapers (not "sensationalist media" as you tried to pretend earlier) have no problem with it, just you. So quit it with the games playing, the IDIDNTHEARTHAT and the WP:IDONTLIKEIT and quit removing well sourced material. Volunteer Marek 16:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Sorry IIIraute, but Marek is, indeed, right. Your behavior is a classic case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. The fact that Ludwig was born in the German Empire doesn't make him less of a Pole. Armenians didn't have a state from 1375 until 1918 and every Armenian who was born in that period was not an Armenian? -- Երևանցի talk 22:38, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Oh my, whole paragraph about grandfather and in which armies he may have fought? This is just retarded yellow press style promotion of some Germany vs Poland controversy. At most it would deserve a single sentence of Merkel having some Polish ancestry from paternal grandfathers side and thats it. Whole "in which armies her grandfather served and against whom he may have fought" is clearly just a trivia.-- Staberinde ( talk) 14:01, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
I see that the text
has again been changed to
without any explanation. In my opinion, the changed version means that no other woman has held both offices before, stongly implying that some unknown woman has held one of the offices before. The original text was the most concise way of expressing that she was the first woman chancellor and the first woman leader of the CDU, which is, in my opinion what the statement is meant to say. I suppose it is possible that one of these statements has a different meaning in some variant of English, but I would like to see third-party confirmation if that is believed to be the case. If no convincing explanation for the change is forthcoming, I will again revert. I suggest compliance with WP:BRD. -- Boson ( talk) 23:42, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Merkel was in support of the Iraq war und wanted to join the USA in case she was elected in the year 2002. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.240.124.39 ( talk) 20:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the archives of this page, past discussions seem to support inclusion of her family history, with only one person objecting for unconvincing reasons. Indeed, articles on American politicians such as Obama include vast information on their family (there is even an entire article devoted to the subject: Family of Barack Obama). The name change to Kasner from the original Polish name in 1930 seems particularly relevant. Also, I see no consensus not to use proper English grammar in the article. Elizabeth Cumberbatch ( talk) 23:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
The consensus is to include the material, so kindly stop removing sourced material. You do not have a veto on whether to use correct English grammar or on whether to include sourced and relevant information that sources have reported widely on. Leaving out that the family changed their name to Kasner in 1930 is nothing but historical revisionism. That this essential part of her family history only belongs "in the article about her father" is just wrong. Elizabeth Cumberbatch ( talk) 06:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Obviously far to experienced to be a "new" editor ... and a minute later you turn up?! - if you are trying to imply that User:Elizabeth_Cumberbatch is a sock puppet (of myself or anyone else) then put up or shut up. Present evidence, file an SPI report whatever. Or at the very least have the courage to make that kind of accusation explicitly. If not, then please refrain from making such baseless accusations in the future.
Additionally, I would appreciate it if you referred to me - if refer you must - by my user name, Volunteer Marek. "VM" is sufficient. Please don't try to "parody" it in some attempt to insult me. And this talk page is not the place to air personal opinions about who should be banned, is it? There's plenty of other pages for that but somehow no matter how many spurious and bad faithed reports have been filed, no banning of myself from German related topics has taken place. Because there is no reason for such action. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 07:09, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Fact: Ludwig Kazmierczak was a German citizen born in Posen, German Empire in 1896. (In 1793, Posen came under the control of Prussia. With Prussia, the province became part of the united German Empire in 1871.)
Fact: Ludwig Kazmierczak officially changed his name to "Ludwig Kasner" - meaning - his name is "Ludwig Kasner", and that is how the article should refer to him.
The Guardian: "Not only was her grandfather of Polish origin, the chancellor almost was born Angela Kazmierczak. Her grandfather was a Ludwig Kazmierczak, born 1896 in Poznan – then part of the German Reich. The family was proud of its Polish roots. Obviously not grandpa Ludwig who emigrated to Berlin when Poznan became Polish again after the first world war. He married a Berlin woman, and they had a son – Horst Kazmierczak, Angela's father. The family decided to cut their Polish roots in the early 30s. The Kazmierczaks followed a common fashion and Germanised their family name to Kasner." see
Fact: "Ludwig Kazmierczak was one of those who left his native land and part of his family behind and set off for Berlin, where he met his future wife Margarethe." (Angela Merkel: The Authorized Biography, p. 14) He did not take his "German-born fiancée Margarethe with him to Poznan ... to later settle in Berlin".
Another fact, Volunteer Marek rather prefers to stifle, because it does not fit his glorious "grandpa did fight for the Poles only" propaganda:
n-tv: "Ludwig was mobilised into the German army in 1915 and fought for the German Empire in France, where in 1918, he was taken prisoner of war or deserted" see
Deutsche Welle: "According to the largest Polish daily "Gazeta Wyborcza," her grandfather Ludwig Kazmierczak was Polish and is believed to have fought against the Germans as a Polish soldier in 1918." see
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: "...during the First World War, [this army] was formed under French command, from German POW's of Polish origin, and at least some of their units, have fought in 1918 ... experts, like the Polish historian Wolodzimierz Boriodziej did confirm to this newspaper, that it is not ruled out that Kazmierczak could have raised his arms against Germany." see
Volunteer Marek, i.e Elizabeth Cumberbatch claim to have editor consensus on their side, yet - as evident from the talk-archive discussion - such a consensus was never achieved.
Since there was no consensus for the changes made to the version that was stable for the last four months (and for much longer before VM's edit warring four months ago), Elizabeth Cumberbatch and Volunteer Marek have violated several WP policies with their reverts, especially by not following the previously suggested Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which means retaining the status before the bold edit was made and reverted; i.e. "leave the article in the condition it was in before the Bold edit was made" (often called the status quo ante). -- IIIraute ( talk) 05:57, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I've seen Marek interrupting, edit warring and pushing his POV more than a dozen times now. It might be about time for a little break. -- Horst-schlaemma ( talk) 13:40, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the archives of this page, past discussions seem to support inclusion of her family history, with only one person objecting for unconvincing reasons. Indeed, articles on American politicians such as Obama include vast information on their family (there is even an entire article devoted to the subject: Family of Barack Obama). The name change to Kasner from the original Polish name in 1930 seems particularly relevant. Also, I see no consensus not to use proper English grammar in the article. Elizabeth Cumberbatch ( talk) 23:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
The consensus is to include the material, so kindly stop removing sourced material. You do not have a veto on whether to use correct English grammar or on whether to include sourced and relevant information that sources have reported widely on. Leaving out that the family changed their name to Kasner in 1930 is nothing but historical revisionism. That this essential part of her family history only belongs "in the article about her father" is just wrong. Elizabeth Cumberbatch ( talk) 06:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Obviously far to experienced to be a "new" editor ... and a minute later you turn up?! - if you are trying to imply that User:Elizabeth_Cumberbatch is a sock puppet (of myself or anyone else) then put up or shut up. Present evidence, file an SPI report whatever. Or at the very least have the courage to make that kind of accusation explicitly. If not, then please refrain from making such baseless accusations in the future.
Additionally, I would appreciate it if you referred to me - if refer you must - by my user name, Volunteer Marek. "VM" is sufficient. Please don't try to "parody" it in some attempt to insult me. And this talk page is not the place to air personal opinions about who should be banned, is it? There's plenty of other pages for that but somehow no matter how many spurious and bad faithed reports have been filed, no banning of myself from German related topics has taken place. Because there is no reason for such action. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 07:09, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Fact: Ludwig Kazmierczak was a German citizen born in Posen, German Empire in 1896. (In 1793, Posen came under the control of Prussia. With Prussia, the province became part of the united German Empire in 1871.)
Fact: Ludwig Kazmierczak officially changed his name to "Ludwig Kasner" - meaning - his name is "Ludwig Kasner", and that is how the article should refer to him.
The Guardian: "Not only was her grandfather of Polish origin, the chancellor almost was born Angela Kazmierczak. Her grandfather was a Ludwig Kazmierczak, born 1896 in Poznan – then part of the German Reich. The family was proud of its Polish roots. Obviously not grandpa Ludwig who emigrated to Berlin when Poznan became Polish again after the first world war. He married a Berlin woman, and they had a son – Horst Kazmierczak, Angela's father. The family decided to cut their Polish roots in the early 30s. The Kazmierczaks followed a common fashion and Germanised their family name to Kasner." see
Fact: "Ludwig Kazmierczak was one of those who left his native land and part of his family behind and set off for Berlin, where he met his future wife Margarethe." (Angela Merkel: The Authorized Biography, p. 14) He did not take his "German-born fiancée Margarethe with him to Poznan ... to later settle in Berlin".
Another fact, Volunteer Marek rather prefers to stifle, because it does not fit his glorious "grandpa did fight for the Poles only" propaganda:
n-tv: "Ludwig was mobilised into the German army in 1915 and fought for the German Empire in France, where in 1918, he was taken prisoner of war or deserted" see
Deutsche Welle: "According to the largest Polish daily "Gazeta Wyborcza," her grandfather Ludwig Kazmierczak was Polish and is believed to have fought against the Germans as a Polish soldier in 1918." see
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: "...during the First World War, [this army] was formed under French command, from German POW's of Polish origin, and at least some of their units, have fought in 1918 ... experts, like the Polish historian Wolodzimierz Boriodziej did confirm to this newspaper, that it is not ruled out that Kazmierczak could have raised his arms against Germany." see
Volunteer Marek, i.e Elizabeth Cumberbatch claim to have editor consensus on their side, yet - as evident from the talk-archive discussion - such a consensus was never achieved.
Since there was no consensus for the changes made to the version that was stable for the last four months (and for much longer before VM's edit warring four months ago), Elizabeth Cumberbatch and Volunteer Marek have violated several WP policies with their reverts, especially by not following the previously suggested Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which means retaining the status before the bold edit was made and reverted; i.e. "leave the article in the condition it was in before the Bold edit was made" (often called the status quo ante). -- IIIraute ( talk) 05:57, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I've seen Marek interrupting, edit warring and pushing his POV more than a dozen times now. It might be about time for a little break. -- Horst-schlaemma ( talk) 13:40, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Considering how important she is as a world figure there is practically no information about important policies of hers such as on the European Union, and Russia... This article needs a major expansion... -- Kuzwa ( talk) 01:41, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Considering how important she is as a world figure there is practically no information about important policies of hers such as on the European Union, and Russia... This article needs a major expansion... -- Kuzwa ( talk) 01:41, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I removed a section about German-Indian foreign relations under Merkel's chancellorship. This is really a minor aspect of her biography; having such a long section gives undue weight to it, relative to say German relations with other EU countries, German-US or German-Russian relations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.193.200.242 ( talk) 20:48, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Rewrite? That's not the point. The point is that this is a very marginal aspect of her biography, so marginal that it has no place in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.193.200.242 ( talk) 21:00, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Are you for real?? I explained why this section has no place in the article and you throw insults at me. Why this hostility??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.193.200.242 ( talk) 21:16, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the archives of this page, past discussions seem to support inclusion of her family history, with only one person objecting for unconvincing reasons. Indeed, articles on American politicians such as Obama include vast information on their family (there is even an entire article devoted to the subject: Family of Barack Obama). The name change to Kasner from the original Polish name in 1930 seems particularly relevant. Also, I see no consensus not to use proper English grammar in the article. Elizabeth Cumberbatch ( talk) 23:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
The consensus is to include the material, so kindly stop removing sourced material. You do not have a veto on whether to use correct English grammar or on whether to include sourced and relevant information that sources have reported widely on. Leaving out that the family changed their name to Kasner in 1930 is nothing but historical revisionism. That this essential part of her family history only belongs "in the article about her father" is just wrong. Elizabeth Cumberbatch ( talk) 06:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Obviously far to experienced to be a "new" editor ... and a minute later you turn up?! - if you are trying to imply that User:Elizabeth_Cumberbatch is a sock puppet (of myself or anyone else) then put up or shut up. Present evidence, file an SPI report whatever. Or at the very least have the courage to make that kind of accusation explicitly. If not, then please refrain from making such baseless accusations in the future.
Additionally, I would appreciate it if you referred to me - if refer you must - by my user name, Volunteer Marek. "VM" is sufficient. Please don't try to "parody" it in some attempt to insult me. And this talk page is not the place to air personal opinions about who should be banned, is it? There's plenty of other pages for that but somehow no matter how many spurious and bad faithed reports have been filed, no banning of myself from German related topics has taken place. Because there is no reason for such action. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 07:09, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Please also see: Talk:Angela Merkel#Image -- IIIraute ( talk) 00:45, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Fact: Ludwig Kazmierczak was a German citizen born in Posen, German Empire in 1896. (In 1793, Posen came under the control of Prussia. With Prussia, the province became part of the united German Empire in 1871.)
Fact: Ludwig Kazmierczak officially changed his name to "Ludwig Kasner" - meaning - his name is "Ludwig Kasner", and that is how the article should refer to him.
The Guardian: "Not only was her grandfather of Polish origin, the chancellor almost was born Angela Kazmierczak. Her grandfather was a Ludwig Kazmierczak, born 1896 in Poznan – then part of the German Reich. The family was proud of its Polish roots. Obviously not grandpa Ludwig who emigrated to Berlin when Poznan became Polish again after the first world war. He married a Berlin woman, and they had a son – Horst Kazmierczak, Angela's father. The family decided to cut their Polish roots in the early 30s. The Kazmierczaks followed a common fashion and Germanised their family name to Kasner." see
Fact: "Ludwig Kazmierczak was one of those who left his native land and part of his family behind and set off for Berlin, where he met his future wife Margarethe." (Angela Merkel: The Authorized Biography, p. 14) He did not take his "German-born fiancée Margarethe with him to Poznan ... to later settle in Berlin".
Another fact, Volunteer Marek rather prefers to stifle, because it does not fit his glorious "grandpa did fight for the Poles only" propaganda:
n-tv: "Ludwig was mobilised into the German army in 1915 and fought for the German Empire in France, where in 1918, he was taken prisoner of war or deserted" see
Deutsche Welle: "According to the largest Polish daily "Gazeta Wyborcza," her grandfather Ludwig Kazmierczak was Polish and is believed to have fought against the Germans as a Polish soldier in 1918." see
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: "...during the First World War, [this army] was formed under French command, from German POW's of Polish origin, and at least some of their units, have fought in 1918 ... experts, like the Polish historian Wolodzimierz Boriodziej did confirm to this newspaper, that it is not ruled out that Kazmierczak could have raised his arms against Germany." see
Volunteer Marek, i.e Elizabeth Cumberbatch claim to have editor consensus on their side, yet - as evident from the talk-archive discussion - such a consensus was never achieved.
Since there was no consensus for the changes made to the version that was stable for the last four months (and for much longer before VM's edit warring four months ago), Elizabeth Cumberbatch and Volunteer Marek have violated several WP policies with their reverts, especially by not following the previously suggested Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which means retaining the status before the bold edit was made and reverted; i.e. "leave the article in the condition it was in before the Bold edit was made" (often called the status quo ante). -- IIIraute ( talk) 05:57, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I've seen Marek interrupting, edit warring and pushing his POV more than a dozen times now. It might be about time for a little break. -- Horst-schlaemma ( talk) 13:40, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Please also see: Talk:Angela Merkel#Image -- IIIraute ( talk) 00:44, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Since IIIraute keeps linking to this section at every opportunity, I feel compelled to point out that this version is very much a redacted of what it was previously. A good thing too. IIIraute's original post was one long rant full of extreme personal attacks, falsehoods, WP:ASPERSIONS and borderline WP:OUTING. Hence my original reply: "There is not a chance in hell that I'm replying to this barrage of personal attacks, falsehoods, unfounded accusations, attempts at outing and intimidation and bad faith." IIIraute was made to remove the worst of the lot by an administrator. More of the same, which he didn't remove, had to be removed by the administrator/arb com members themselves. (Edits are in talk page history, not gonna provide diffs here since they involve personal attacks etc). It's good that this material was removed but by having set a tone in such a way IIIraute pretty much precluded the possibility of good faithed discussion in this particular thread. Didn't apologize either. Hence my total lack of response to this nonsense. If IIIraute wishes to apologize and discuss the issue in a calm and civil manner I'd be happy to do so, but it would be best if he created a new section which isn't tarred by having been redacted to remove personal attacks. It'd also help matters if he stopped gratuitously linking to this section. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 18:37, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
While we have an RfC on the inclusion of the image above, it's apparent that IIIraute wishes to remove any mention of Merkel's grandfather's ethnicity or the fact that he served in the Polish Blue Army, except in the vaguest of terms.
This is information which is reliably sourced and pertinent. It provides valuable historical information. Of course we shouldn't give too much weight too it, but we don't need a section or even a paragraph on it. Two well sourced sentences or so should be enough.
Do we need a separate RfC on this?
Volunteer Marek ( talk) 03:18, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
May I ask why this is so important? It seems to me to be a topic so distant from the subject's notability that it might even be considered trivia. Joe Bodacious ( talk) 18:58, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
While Merkel's grandfather's colorful First World War career is definitely important in his own biography, and possibly also deserves mention in Merkel's fathers biography, its a total trivia in relation to Merkel's biography.-- Staberinde ( talk) 16:03, 30 May 2014 (UTC)