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What relevance to Angel Falls is "Angel was born in Springfield, Missouri in 1899."? It doesn't even follow on from the preceding sentence. As the information is presented in James Crawford Angel, which is linked to from this page, I have removed it.so this has nothing really to do with waterfalls what so ever LOL.
I don't know anything about the first sighting of the Angel Falls, who what when or where. However, it looks like the first sighting has been attributed to a westerner, an assertion that seems impossible. Would it be more correct to say that the first 'Westerner' sighting of the falls was Mr. Sanchez, not that he was the first to see it? It's like saying Columbus discovered the New World.
I agree. Since we know people have lived in South America for thousands of years, to claim that Angel Falls was "discovered" in the 20th century carries the racist implication that natives of the area were/are not real people (though, I'm sure that was not the author's intention). I personally know almost nothing about Angel Falls, and I may be making an impractical request here, but I would like to see this article expanded to include information about the falls' significance to the peoples who have lived in this region all along. From what I know about places like Niagara Falls and Mount Shasta in the United States, surely Angel Falls must have a larger story.-- Atheistlefty 09:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Something can be discovered more than once. I've removed the word 'first'. -- Townmouse 19:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Pemon Indians I talked with in 1995 said that their people had had no idea about the falls' existence prior to Angel's flight. The nearest village is far down the river which can only be navigated upstream by a motorboat. The Pemon used to avoid tepui plateaus because of cold and dangerous spirits, so they couldn't get to the top of the falls, either. -- vdinets —Preceding undated comment added 23:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC).
Wow.. Near everybody here in Spain would say it was called "El Salto del Angel". -- euyyn 14:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
They aircraft used by Jimmy Angel is described by the article as a 'Flamingo Monoplane' with a link to the DE HAVILLAND DH.95 FLAMINGO. Jimmy Angel made his report of the falls in 1935 but the first prototype of the DH-95 Flamingo was not flown until 1938. The aircraft is also substantially different to that shown in the James Crawford Angel Marshall article which is almost certainly a Ryan Flamingo.
Just a note about "The waterfall was first base jumped by American Indians in the 1400's." remark. I think that's a) inaccurate b) disgusting to refer to obvious suicide with a flip comment. Recommend it be removed. Just in case: 1400s = no parachutes or personal flying contraptions
In World Waterfall Database the river is called Rio Gauja, in other sources also Rio Gauya. Shouldn't it be somehow mentioned in the article? 87.110.159.163 09:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Can any anyone tell me why the world record information changes every year? my name is cherun and i was born in 1986, my mother found my name in the world record book of that year.The paragraph said that the locals chanted cherun maru over the waterfall, but on this artical it says that the falls connects to the river churun.can anyone tell me which spelling is right?i would be very greatful for any information you may have on the subject in hand. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
86.131.43.111 (
talk) 16:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC).
I'm sorry to tell you, but the right spelling is "Churún-merú."
Is it true that the Angel Falls can also be called Devils Mouth??
-- 219.89.158.219 10:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Why does the introduction say world's highest free-falling, freshwater waterfall? Is there a higher saltwater fall somewhere? (That's hard to imagine.)
i have never been to angel falls im just researching it for a fith grade project at scool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.144.182.152 ( talk) 01:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC) Jimmie angels real name was james crawford angel marshall —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.206.2.80 ( talk) 15:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.140.61 ( talk) 18:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
no there is not it only states it is freshwater so if any younger kids come along to read it for home work they could write it in there homework
I've removed some links from the External links section:
The first two are blogs and therefore links to be avoided. The last about R. Robinson adds very little information about the waterfalls and is a primary source and therefore can only be used in an article about Robinson herself (perhaps she is notable enough for having an article). JRSP ( talk) 20:35, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Most sources cite the falls' height as 3212 feet, but that includes cascades and a 100 foot drop that clearly is at least a quarter mile downstream. If that can make it the world's highest, then why do measurements for other waterfalls not include the lengthy talus cascades below them? Angel Falls is only the world's highest single drop with legitimate flow; it is not the highest waterfall. Shannon talk contribs sign!:) 03:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
no way jose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.104.215.251 ( talk) 15:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
"The water is atomized by strong winds", any suggestion for another sentence because come on, this is quite crappy. It is only blown into smaller water drops, not in seperate atoms... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.92.80.224 ( talk) 21:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez on Sunday renamed Angel Falls, the world's tallest waterfall, saying it should be called by its indigenous name Kerepakupai Meru.
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN20125231
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/3181960/Hugo-Chavez-renames-and-reclaims-Angel-Falls
James Michael 1 ( talk) 02:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
AGREE: It is time for the Westerner's to learn the languages names of locations given by the indigenous. In fact their wording gives more meaning to the location than to call it Angel Falls( a typical Christian bigotry name). So yes we should change the name and put into bracket (Angel Falls)just to please the academic Westerners colonial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.117.223 ( talk) 15:54, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
A part of me tells me that the indigenous names is very interesting but the reality is that the falls have been known as Angel falls for how long?..over a century maybe? so I think it will be very difficult for people to acknowledge the change, let alone changing it here on the Wikipedia. Victoria Falls is another example of a fall with both indigenous name and anglicized name, Wikipedia currently uses the best known one which is Victoria, of course some redirects should be added though. Thanks-- Camilo Sanchez ( talk) 00:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
The fact that we've had a century of western imperialism and a tradition of aboriginal genocide does NOT justify the use of an anglicized name for a place which already had a name for millenia before the first European saw it. Saying that "Angel Falls" is the name most people use and is therefore acceptable would be like moving " African-American" to "nigger" because that's the name which is most often applied by Wikipedia's pasty white user base. SmashTheState ( talk) 01:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree that the main name, even in wikipedia, should be the official Kerepakupai merú, with a redirect from Angel Falls. Even if "Angel Falls" is currently more popular with the global (and especially, the Western) reader, Kerepakupai merú is now the official name. (And if less than elegantly stated above, I also agree with SmashTheState's reasoning--the violence of European colonization and "Indian removal" does not need to continue linguistically in the erasure of indigenous naming. Recovering indigenous traditions, languages and names is a noble goal.) Failing that, the politics of the name-change should be discussed in the article itself, not just in the talk page. I took the liberty of adding the information, with English-language references, myself. And by the way, no, Kerepakupay merú was not seen by the U.S.-American aviotor (who, by the way, crashed near there, according to Reuters
[1]) until 1933--so, it could not possibly have been called "Angel Falls" for "a whole century." Best,
Speed Jackson (
talk) 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Qué lástima. I thought the re-naming was somemthing quite to Chavez's credit. If it was supposed to be a little exaggeration or smear campaign, as the article suggests, it had the opposite effect in my eyes. I added an "according to..." statement to my original edit to make it more precise. Speed Jackson ( talk) 23:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Lmao, is this a pathetic joke? BritishWatcher ( talk) 15:33, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I've looked at some other pages about famous waterfalls such as the Victoria Falls page and they are much more thorough than this page. I recommend taking some information from the summary and expanding it in a new section titled 'Physical Features'. This should be about the geography of the land such as the ecology, terrain etc around the waterfall. Anyone agree? APiggyCalledBobby ( talk) 11:57, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Unsourced information and possibly false, so i put 979 meters back. -- Hrotovice ( talk) 23:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Why does the introduction start by saying "Angel Falls or Kerepakupai merú "? Surely this article should say something along the lines of "Angel Falls (native:Kerepakupai merú)..... " . There is no "or" about it. Angel falls is the English language name and the introduction should not try to suggest Kerepakupai merú is a valid English language alternative. BritishWatcher ( talk) 16:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
"The height of the fall is so great, that before getting anywhere near the ground, much of the water is evaporated or carried away as fine mist by the strong wind."
This statement is unsourced, and in addition, is unclear. I have a hunch that it refers to the dry season image. Jasper Deng (talk) 03:23, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I think some of the moulin waterfalls in Greenland might be taller. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.235.122 ( talk) 03:40, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Several sources -books and articles to be found in the Felix Cardona article in Wikipedia- credit the discovery of the Angel falls to the explorer and pilot Felix Cardona, who informed about the falls to Jimmie Angel who then was credited as discoverer. I think this should be mentioned in the article. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.14.78.117 ( talk) 09:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
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What relevance to Angel Falls is "Angel was born in Springfield, Missouri in 1899."? It doesn't even follow on from the preceding sentence. As the information is presented in James Crawford Angel, which is linked to from this page, I have removed it.so this has nothing really to do with waterfalls what so ever LOL.
I don't know anything about the first sighting of the Angel Falls, who what when or where. However, it looks like the first sighting has been attributed to a westerner, an assertion that seems impossible. Would it be more correct to say that the first 'Westerner' sighting of the falls was Mr. Sanchez, not that he was the first to see it? It's like saying Columbus discovered the New World.
I agree. Since we know people have lived in South America for thousands of years, to claim that Angel Falls was "discovered" in the 20th century carries the racist implication that natives of the area were/are not real people (though, I'm sure that was not the author's intention). I personally know almost nothing about Angel Falls, and I may be making an impractical request here, but I would like to see this article expanded to include information about the falls' significance to the peoples who have lived in this region all along. From what I know about places like Niagara Falls and Mount Shasta in the United States, surely Angel Falls must have a larger story.-- Atheistlefty 09:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Something can be discovered more than once. I've removed the word 'first'. -- Townmouse 19:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Pemon Indians I talked with in 1995 said that their people had had no idea about the falls' existence prior to Angel's flight. The nearest village is far down the river which can only be navigated upstream by a motorboat. The Pemon used to avoid tepui plateaus because of cold and dangerous spirits, so they couldn't get to the top of the falls, either. -- vdinets —Preceding undated comment added 23:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC).
Wow.. Near everybody here in Spain would say it was called "El Salto del Angel". -- euyyn 14:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
They aircraft used by Jimmy Angel is described by the article as a 'Flamingo Monoplane' with a link to the DE HAVILLAND DH.95 FLAMINGO. Jimmy Angel made his report of the falls in 1935 but the first prototype of the DH-95 Flamingo was not flown until 1938. The aircraft is also substantially different to that shown in the James Crawford Angel Marshall article which is almost certainly a Ryan Flamingo.
Just a note about "The waterfall was first base jumped by American Indians in the 1400's." remark. I think that's a) inaccurate b) disgusting to refer to obvious suicide with a flip comment. Recommend it be removed. Just in case: 1400s = no parachutes or personal flying contraptions
In World Waterfall Database the river is called Rio Gauja, in other sources also Rio Gauya. Shouldn't it be somehow mentioned in the article? 87.110.159.163 09:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Can any anyone tell me why the world record information changes every year? my name is cherun and i was born in 1986, my mother found my name in the world record book of that year.The paragraph said that the locals chanted cherun maru over the waterfall, but on this artical it says that the falls connects to the river churun.can anyone tell me which spelling is right?i would be very greatful for any information you may have on the subject in hand. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
86.131.43.111 (
talk) 16:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC).
I'm sorry to tell you, but the right spelling is "Churún-merú."
Is it true that the Angel Falls can also be called Devils Mouth??
-- 219.89.158.219 10:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Why does the introduction say world's highest free-falling, freshwater waterfall? Is there a higher saltwater fall somewhere? (That's hard to imagine.)
i have never been to angel falls im just researching it for a fith grade project at scool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.144.182.152 ( talk) 01:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC) Jimmie angels real name was james crawford angel marshall —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.206.2.80 ( talk) 15:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.140.61 ( talk) 18:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
no there is not it only states it is freshwater so if any younger kids come along to read it for home work they could write it in there homework
I've removed some links from the External links section:
The first two are blogs and therefore links to be avoided. The last about R. Robinson adds very little information about the waterfalls and is a primary source and therefore can only be used in an article about Robinson herself (perhaps she is notable enough for having an article). JRSP ( talk) 20:35, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Most sources cite the falls' height as 3212 feet, but that includes cascades and a 100 foot drop that clearly is at least a quarter mile downstream. If that can make it the world's highest, then why do measurements for other waterfalls not include the lengthy talus cascades below them? Angel Falls is only the world's highest single drop with legitimate flow; it is not the highest waterfall. Shannon talk contribs sign!:) 03:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
no way jose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.104.215.251 ( talk) 15:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
"The water is atomized by strong winds", any suggestion for another sentence because come on, this is quite crappy. It is only blown into smaller water drops, not in seperate atoms... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.92.80.224 ( talk) 21:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez on Sunday renamed Angel Falls, the world's tallest waterfall, saying it should be called by its indigenous name Kerepakupai Meru.
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN20125231
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/3181960/Hugo-Chavez-renames-and-reclaims-Angel-Falls
James Michael 1 ( talk) 02:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
AGREE: It is time for the Westerner's to learn the languages names of locations given by the indigenous. In fact their wording gives more meaning to the location than to call it Angel Falls( a typical Christian bigotry name). So yes we should change the name and put into bracket (Angel Falls)just to please the academic Westerners colonial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.117.223 ( talk) 15:54, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
A part of me tells me that the indigenous names is very interesting but the reality is that the falls have been known as Angel falls for how long?..over a century maybe? so I think it will be very difficult for people to acknowledge the change, let alone changing it here on the Wikipedia. Victoria Falls is another example of a fall with both indigenous name and anglicized name, Wikipedia currently uses the best known one which is Victoria, of course some redirects should be added though. Thanks-- Camilo Sanchez ( talk) 00:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
The fact that we've had a century of western imperialism and a tradition of aboriginal genocide does NOT justify the use of an anglicized name for a place which already had a name for millenia before the first European saw it. Saying that "Angel Falls" is the name most people use and is therefore acceptable would be like moving " African-American" to "nigger" because that's the name which is most often applied by Wikipedia's pasty white user base. SmashTheState ( talk) 01:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree that the main name, even in wikipedia, should be the official Kerepakupai merú, with a redirect from Angel Falls. Even if "Angel Falls" is currently more popular with the global (and especially, the Western) reader, Kerepakupai merú is now the official name. (And if less than elegantly stated above, I also agree with SmashTheState's reasoning--the violence of European colonization and "Indian removal" does not need to continue linguistically in the erasure of indigenous naming. Recovering indigenous traditions, languages and names is a noble goal.) Failing that, the politics of the name-change should be discussed in the article itself, not just in the talk page. I took the liberty of adding the information, with English-language references, myself. And by the way, no, Kerepakupay merú was not seen by the U.S.-American aviotor (who, by the way, crashed near there, according to Reuters
[1]) until 1933--so, it could not possibly have been called "Angel Falls" for "a whole century." Best,
Speed Jackson (
talk) 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Qué lástima. I thought the re-naming was somemthing quite to Chavez's credit. If it was supposed to be a little exaggeration or smear campaign, as the article suggests, it had the opposite effect in my eyes. I added an "according to..." statement to my original edit to make it more precise. Speed Jackson ( talk) 23:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Lmao, is this a pathetic joke? BritishWatcher ( talk) 15:33, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I've looked at some other pages about famous waterfalls such as the Victoria Falls page and they are much more thorough than this page. I recommend taking some information from the summary and expanding it in a new section titled 'Physical Features'. This should be about the geography of the land such as the ecology, terrain etc around the waterfall. Anyone agree? APiggyCalledBobby ( talk) 11:57, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Unsourced information and possibly false, so i put 979 meters back. -- Hrotovice ( talk) 23:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Why does the introduction start by saying "Angel Falls or Kerepakupai merú "? Surely this article should say something along the lines of "Angel Falls (native:Kerepakupai merú)..... " . There is no "or" about it. Angel falls is the English language name and the introduction should not try to suggest Kerepakupai merú is a valid English language alternative. BritishWatcher ( talk) 16:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
"The height of the fall is so great, that before getting anywhere near the ground, much of the water is evaporated or carried away as fine mist by the strong wind."
This statement is unsourced, and in addition, is unclear. I have a hunch that it refers to the dry season image. Jasper Deng (talk) 03:23, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I think some of the moulin waterfalls in Greenland might be taller. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.235.122 ( talk) 03:40, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Several sources -books and articles to be found in the Felix Cardona article in Wikipedia- credit the discovery of the Angel falls to the explorer and pilot Felix Cardona, who informed about the falls to Jimmie Angel who then was credited as discoverer. I think this should be mentioned in the article. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.14.78.117 ( talk) 09:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
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