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Andriy Shevchenko is a common Ukrainian name. There are several famous people that have it (Andriy Shevchenko - the vice president of Ukraininan National Television Company (journalist) and Andriy Sevchenko - reporter of 1+1 TV channel). I propose to change the title of the article - Andriy Shevchenko (footballer - or soccer player), and to put a "disambiguation" on the page "Andriy Shevchenko" Sakura-org 18:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
See other meanings is necessary for this page. There is also an article on Andriy Shevchenko, a politician and journalist, well known in the country from the times of the Orange Revolution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goev ( talk • contribs) 01:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Shevchenko scored 173 goals in 296 appearance for milan, please ceize editing this. The football statistics database only takes into account league games. Shevchenko is the second all time leading goal scorer of AC Milan with 173 goals in 296 appearances. The sources to this information are extensive. Xioyux 04:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Where is the solid proof of what roman has offered. If it is just a rumor it should not be on the page or clearly stated as so.
He's announced he wants to leave AC milan today, so I'm putting it up... Tempted to put a current event tag on it but doesn't really need it.
Is he Roman Catholic because I've seen picture of his sons'christining in a Roman Catholic church or is it just his wife that is Roman Catholic
His wife is just roman catholic not him
I heard this on a TV Sports Channel: "Although he has millions of dollars now, he hasn't refused to his ideology of communism".
Anyone know if that's true? has he done some reference to it?
i doubt it.
I heard from a friend that his wife gave birth to an england born son. Perhaps the chelski fans would like to enlighten more on this issue.
It i stated in the introductory paragraph that shevchenko is the "second-highest goal scorer of all-time in European club competitions with 57 goals, behind only Gerd Müller.[1]"
doest the 57 refer to goals scored in a single season or what? Müller scored more than 350 in his career with ac milan. please explain what this number is supposed to mean.
67.173.83.220
19:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)tom crestodina
Apparently there has been an edit war over the past few days on this article with regards to Andriy's country of birth. I don't really have a preference as to which country is stated in his profile (Ukraine or the USSR), however I would imagine that Ukraine is a better choice, solely on the basis that other encyclopedias such as Encarta use present day countries (see Gorby's entry for instance) for notable persons' place of birth. Just my 2 cents.. -- Palffy 01:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Editors in the above discussion have suggested the following compromises:
I'd like to suggest another option: using a footnote to address the dispute
Anyone else have input on how to resolve this dispute? -- Muchness 01:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
People can argue about the legal status of Ukraine and the meaning of it being a founding member of the United Nations to eternity but to me that is of little relevance. A key requirement to encyclopedias is that they are supposed to present useful and relevant information. That Shevchenko (a Ukrainian footballer who has played only for Ukraine and was too young to play for any team when USSR was still in existence) was born in Ukraine is much more informative and relevant than that he was born somewhere in USSR. Dkua 21:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Many encyclopedia articles take things in context of the time. Wikipedia is no different. So when Andriy Shevchenko was born in 1976,
Dvirkivschyna was then in the
Ukrainian SSR of the
Soviet Union. Since his birth the Soviet Union (or USSR) has been dissolved and the Ukraine has become an independent republic.
Take a look at some other Chelsea players.
Petr Čech was born in 1982,
Plzeň, in the then
Czechoslovakia - Plzeň is now part of the
Czech Republic.
Michael Ballack was born in 1976,
Görlitz, in the then
East Germany - Görlitz is now part of the reunited
Germany.
There isn't any mention in which adminstrative areas that Petr Čech and Michael Ballack were born. So with the same reason it's not neccesary to mention that Andriy Shevchenko was born in the
Kiev Oblast.
It seems there is some contention between Ukraine, Ukrainian SSR and the Soviet Union. There is a ready made answer to that problem.
Usually with the United Kindom and United States encyclopedia articles we see London, England, or Edinburgh, Scotland, or San Francisco, California or Dallas, Texas. Technically, United Kingdom or United States could be added on, but they aren't.
So too with the former Soviet Union republics. For example we'll just see articles that someone was born in Kiev, Ukraine, or Tallin, Estonia, or Tblisi, Georgia. There's no need to mention if they were born before fall of the Soviet Union or after.
To solve the problem with where Andriy Shevchenko was born, simply state he was born in
Dvirkivschyna,
Ukraine.
Most sport fans and football fans are more interested in the actual game, than with the in-and-outs of someone's birthplace.
Cayden
(talk)
10:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to clear this up. The article states that "Andriy", his name, pronounced the same way in Russian and Ukrainian. But that's not true. In Russian, his name is pronounced "Andrey", while in Ukrainian it would be "iy" at the end... The pronounciation is different in the two languages. Correctly, Shevchenko's name should be Andriy because he is Ukrainian. However Shevchenko is from a Russian-speaking community in Ukraine and pronounces his name Andrei while still spelling it Andriy (it doesn't make much sense). That causes the confusion, but Skysports probably writes his name the most correct way for his pronounciation (the russian pronounciation). Definitly the article shouldn't say that the name is pronounced the same in both languages. Xioyux 21:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
The back-and-forth edits about Shevchenko's place of birth being either the Ukraine or the Soviet Union have gotten so frequent that I've protected this page instead of issuing a spate of 3RR blocks. There needs to be a discussion here about what the article should say, and a consensus needs to be reached. I misunderstood the nature of the argument when I posted above; it's clear that the problem here is a semantic one.
REMEMBER: If you have a personal axe to grind, then this is not the place to do it. Wikipedia is not your personal soapbox. I will help to moderate the discussion here, because I am knowledgeable about soccer and I frankly couldn't care less if the article said Ukraine or USSR. Article protection expires in one week; if a resolution is not reached by then, then I'll open an RFC. A Train talk 21:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd like this taken to RFC since both sides clearly think they know better. - Dudesleeper · Talk 13:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
If a footballer was born in Singapore in 1964, and played for the Singapore national football team for 10 years, do you think it would be ridiculous for the article to list Malaysia as his place of birth? Doing so would confuse and mislead readers. -- J.L.W.S. The Special One 11:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
i've moved the armani part into private life, and the golden ball part into the a.c milan section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Numberwang ( talk • contribs) 22:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC).
We have a line that says he went to Chelsea partly in order to "learn English", which suggests to me he doesn't know much of it yet, but someone added a trivia item saying that he is already "fluent" in the language. Which of these is correct? — Resurgent insurgent 2007-05-09 23:06 Z
Before chelsea he was not fluent in english, and he did not go to london to learn english. he moved to london because his wife wanted to raise an 'english speaking' family. Why she could not simply send the child to the ISM, like a lot of other milan and inter players have over the years i dont know. (the likes of weah, zenga, massaro, cafu have and at the moment mancini's sons are there.) —Preceding
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81.153.34.177 (
talk)
18:13, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I note that the infobox was recently edited by User:Palffy to remove his appearances for Ukraine's youth team with the edit summary: (I've never heard of Ukraine (Youth)....senior caps and goals only...)
As the player Manual of Style clearly includes international appearances at under-16 level should this edit not be reverted? Daemonic Kangaroo 19:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
From Shevs page: "The fee was disclosed on the official website of UEFA as €30 million, which would make it the most expensive transfer in English football."
If the fee was 30 million EUROS as that says then no, it would not make it the "most expensive transfer in English football".
08-08-07
Dudesleeper, you cannot deny that Andriy Shevchenko was born in the Ukrainian SSR. Why are you deleting it? We try stick to specifics in Wikipedia and Ukrainian SSR implies the Soviet Union. -- Boguslav ( talk) 23:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Question: What does Sheva himself say? Because, as illogical as this may sound, he has an opinion on what to call himself. Although, to avoid confusion, we should put what someone has already suggested, "Ukraine (part of USSR at the time)" or something like that. That way anyone who comes to this page, regardless of their opinion on the matter, can understand it. Elsonlam1 ( talk) 00:03, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
He is the third-highest goalscorer in the history of European club competition with 60, behind Gerd Müller and Filippo Inzaghi.[1]. This information is out of date. Can someone fix it? 77.86.120.186 ( talk) 22:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Please don't update his page until it is official. Several news sites have only reported that there are rumors going around. This isn't conclusive nor does it mean that an agreement has been made. Gcarini ( talk) 17:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I took out the 'good luck andrei' part. hardly relevant. 19:56, 23 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding
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talk •
contribs)
I've semi-protected the page for 36 hours, given the rash of anon edits. The transfer's not official. Details still need to be finalized and the player needs to pass his physical. Editors can't be jumping to conclusions per WP:CRYSTAL. Thanks. -- Madchester ( talk) 20:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I see that someone has posted his jersey number as 76 under his profile. Where did you get this information? I have seen no evidence he has been issued the number 76 jersey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdboone21 ( talk • contribs) 12:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
According to this page he acted (will be acting?) in a russian/ukranian movie, is that correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.92.71.50 ( talk) 09:01, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
This article has a lot of unsourced goal tallys. That's why I added the ref-improve tag. -- Ysangkok ( talk) 20:54, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Reference 25 seems to be linking to the wrong page. The link redirects me to http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-1590582/Smaller-companies-report-Thursday-close.html. I guess this is the correct link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-400887/The-30-million-man.html I don't seem to be able to edit existing references, so I'm writing here to make you guys aware of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.16.20 ( talk) 21:41, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
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Andriy Shevchenko is a common Ukrainian name. There are several famous people that have it (Andriy Shevchenko - the vice president of Ukraininan National Television Company (journalist) and Andriy Sevchenko - reporter of 1+1 TV channel). I propose to change the title of the article - Andriy Shevchenko (footballer - or soccer player), and to put a "disambiguation" on the page "Andriy Shevchenko" Sakura-org 18:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
See other meanings is necessary for this page. There is also an article on Andriy Shevchenko, a politician and journalist, well known in the country from the times of the Orange Revolution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goev ( talk • contribs) 01:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Shevchenko scored 173 goals in 296 appearance for milan, please ceize editing this. The football statistics database only takes into account league games. Shevchenko is the second all time leading goal scorer of AC Milan with 173 goals in 296 appearances. The sources to this information are extensive. Xioyux 04:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Where is the solid proof of what roman has offered. If it is just a rumor it should not be on the page or clearly stated as so.
He's announced he wants to leave AC milan today, so I'm putting it up... Tempted to put a current event tag on it but doesn't really need it.
Is he Roman Catholic because I've seen picture of his sons'christining in a Roman Catholic church or is it just his wife that is Roman Catholic
His wife is just roman catholic not him
I heard this on a TV Sports Channel: "Although he has millions of dollars now, he hasn't refused to his ideology of communism".
Anyone know if that's true? has he done some reference to it?
i doubt it.
I heard from a friend that his wife gave birth to an england born son. Perhaps the chelski fans would like to enlighten more on this issue.
It i stated in the introductory paragraph that shevchenko is the "second-highest goal scorer of all-time in European club competitions with 57 goals, behind only Gerd Müller.[1]"
doest the 57 refer to goals scored in a single season or what? Müller scored more than 350 in his career with ac milan. please explain what this number is supposed to mean.
67.173.83.220
19:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)tom crestodina
Apparently there has been an edit war over the past few days on this article with regards to Andriy's country of birth. I don't really have a preference as to which country is stated in his profile (Ukraine or the USSR), however I would imagine that Ukraine is a better choice, solely on the basis that other encyclopedias such as Encarta use present day countries (see Gorby's entry for instance) for notable persons' place of birth. Just my 2 cents.. -- Palffy 01:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Editors in the above discussion have suggested the following compromises:
I'd like to suggest another option: using a footnote to address the dispute
Anyone else have input on how to resolve this dispute? -- Muchness 01:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
People can argue about the legal status of Ukraine and the meaning of it being a founding member of the United Nations to eternity but to me that is of little relevance. A key requirement to encyclopedias is that they are supposed to present useful and relevant information. That Shevchenko (a Ukrainian footballer who has played only for Ukraine and was too young to play for any team when USSR was still in existence) was born in Ukraine is much more informative and relevant than that he was born somewhere in USSR. Dkua 21:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Many encyclopedia articles take things in context of the time. Wikipedia is no different. So when Andriy Shevchenko was born in 1976,
Dvirkivschyna was then in the
Ukrainian SSR of the
Soviet Union. Since his birth the Soviet Union (or USSR) has been dissolved and the Ukraine has become an independent republic.
Take a look at some other Chelsea players.
Petr Čech was born in 1982,
Plzeň, in the then
Czechoslovakia - Plzeň is now part of the
Czech Republic.
Michael Ballack was born in 1976,
Görlitz, in the then
East Germany - Görlitz is now part of the reunited
Germany.
There isn't any mention in which adminstrative areas that Petr Čech and Michael Ballack were born. So with the same reason it's not neccesary to mention that Andriy Shevchenko was born in the
Kiev Oblast.
It seems there is some contention between Ukraine, Ukrainian SSR and the Soviet Union. There is a ready made answer to that problem.
Usually with the United Kindom and United States encyclopedia articles we see London, England, or Edinburgh, Scotland, or San Francisco, California or Dallas, Texas. Technically, United Kingdom or United States could be added on, but they aren't.
So too with the former Soviet Union republics. For example we'll just see articles that someone was born in Kiev, Ukraine, or Tallin, Estonia, or Tblisi, Georgia. There's no need to mention if they were born before fall of the Soviet Union or after.
To solve the problem with where Andriy Shevchenko was born, simply state he was born in
Dvirkivschyna,
Ukraine.
Most sport fans and football fans are more interested in the actual game, than with the in-and-outs of someone's birthplace.
Cayden
(talk)
10:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to clear this up. The article states that "Andriy", his name, pronounced the same way in Russian and Ukrainian. But that's not true. In Russian, his name is pronounced "Andrey", while in Ukrainian it would be "iy" at the end... The pronounciation is different in the two languages. Correctly, Shevchenko's name should be Andriy because he is Ukrainian. However Shevchenko is from a Russian-speaking community in Ukraine and pronounces his name Andrei while still spelling it Andriy (it doesn't make much sense). That causes the confusion, but Skysports probably writes his name the most correct way for his pronounciation (the russian pronounciation). Definitly the article shouldn't say that the name is pronounced the same in both languages. Xioyux 21:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
The back-and-forth edits about Shevchenko's place of birth being either the Ukraine or the Soviet Union have gotten so frequent that I've protected this page instead of issuing a spate of 3RR blocks. There needs to be a discussion here about what the article should say, and a consensus needs to be reached. I misunderstood the nature of the argument when I posted above; it's clear that the problem here is a semantic one.
REMEMBER: If you have a personal axe to grind, then this is not the place to do it. Wikipedia is not your personal soapbox. I will help to moderate the discussion here, because I am knowledgeable about soccer and I frankly couldn't care less if the article said Ukraine or USSR. Article protection expires in one week; if a resolution is not reached by then, then I'll open an RFC. A Train talk 21:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd like this taken to RFC since both sides clearly think they know better. - Dudesleeper · Talk 13:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
If a footballer was born in Singapore in 1964, and played for the Singapore national football team for 10 years, do you think it would be ridiculous for the article to list Malaysia as his place of birth? Doing so would confuse and mislead readers. -- J.L.W.S. The Special One 11:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
i've moved the armani part into private life, and the golden ball part into the a.c milan section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Numberwang ( talk • contribs) 22:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC).
We have a line that says he went to Chelsea partly in order to "learn English", which suggests to me he doesn't know much of it yet, but someone added a trivia item saying that he is already "fluent" in the language. Which of these is correct? — Resurgent insurgent 2007-05-09 23:06 Z
Before chelsea he was not fluent in english, and he did not go to london to learn english. he moved to london because his wife wanted to raise an 'english speaking' family. Why she could not simply send the child to the ISM, like a lot of other milan and inter players have over the years i dont know. (the likes of weah, zenga, massaro, cafu have and at the moment mancini's sons are there.) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.153.34.177 (
talk)
18:13, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I note that the infobox was recently edited by User:Palffy to remove his appearances for Ukraine's youth team with the edit summary: (I've never heard of Ukraine (Youth)....senior caps and goals only...)
As the player Manual of Style clearly includes international appearances at under-16 level should this edit not be reverted? Daemonic Kangaroo 19:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
From Shevs page: "The fee was disclosed on the official website of UEFA as €30 million, which would make it the most expensive transfer in English football."
If the fee was 30 million EUROS as that says then no, it would not make it the "most expensive transfer in English football".
08-08-07
Dudesleeper, you cannot deny that Andriy Shevchenko was born in the Ukrainian SSR. Why are you deleting it? We try stick to specifics in Wikipedia and Ukrainian SSR implies the Soviet Union. -- Boguslav ( talk) 23:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Question: What does Sheva himself say? Because, as illogical as this may sound, he has an opinion on what to call himself. Although, to avoid confusion, we should put what someone has already suggested, "Ukraine (part of USSR at the time)" or something like that. That way anyone who comes to this page, regardless of their opinion on the matter, can understand it. Elsonlam1 ( talk) 00:03, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
He is the third-highest goalscorer in the history of European club competition with 60, behind Gerd Müller and Filippo Inzaghi.[1]. This information is out of date. Can someone fix it? 77.86.120.186 ( talk) 22:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Please don't update his page until it is official. Several news sites have only reported that there are rumors going around. This isn't conclusive nor does it mean that an agreement has been made. Gcarini ( talk) 17:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I took out the 'good luck andrei' part. hardly relevant. 19:56, 23 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Boils (
talk •
contribs)
I've semi-protected the page for 36 hours, given the rash of anon edits. The transfer's not official. Details still need to be finalized and the player needs to pass his physical. Editors can't be jumping to conclusions per WP:CRYSTAL. Thanks. -- Madchester ( talk) 20:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I see that someone has posted his jersey number as 76 under his profile. Where did you get this information? I have seen no evidence he has been issued the number 76 jersey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdboone21 ( talk • contribs) 12:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
According to this page he acted (will be acting?) in a russian/ukranian movie, is that correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.92.71.50 ( talk) 09:01, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
This article has a lot of unsourced goal tallys. That's why I added the ref-improve tag. -- Ysangkok ( talk) 20:54, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Reference 25 seems to be linking to the wrong page. The link redirects me to http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-1590582/Smaller-companies-report-Thursday-close.html. I guess this is the correct link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-400887/The-30-million-man.html I don't seem to be able to edit existing references, so I'm writing here to make you guys aware of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.16.20 ( talk) 21:41, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: www.insideworldsoccer.com/2013/06/jose-mourinho-chelsea-shevchenko-samuel-etoo.html. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and according to fair use may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Diannaa ( talk) 02:20, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
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