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Couldn't believe this was previously speedied. Its said that some people are trigger happy, instead of google-happy (improving this stub took all of ten minutes).
MrPrada
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Nice work very nice. -- Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor ( tαlk) 20:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
As I do not want to overburden the FAC page, which is primarily for assessing FA criteria rather than specific article content, I add these comments separately here. The first thing that stood out for me was the word-for-word duplication between the section "Thrift savings plan" and its subsection "TSP funds" with the article Thrift Savings Plan. Saul is not mentioned until the 6th paragraph in the TSP section and not at all in the subsection. A biography needs to emphasize the person, not emphasize peripheral items involving the person. For example, I do not need to know, and should not know all the details of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act in the biographies of Paul Sarbanes and Michael Oxley. I won't go so far to say there is a coatrack, but I won't be surprised if someone else says so. If Saul himself (not just the organization) had a large role in shaping the current TSP and other Federal Thrift Retirement Investment Board actions, that needs to be clarified, summarized, and stated concisely. The rest needs to be trimmed or placed elsewhere; Thrift Savings Plan and other related articles could benefit from the additional citations. In other words, Saul should be present in the entire article, not only through representations of the board or the organizations he presided over. TLK 'in 05:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
This article is in eleven WikiProjects. I have never seen an article included in so many subject areas. A pretty prominent Republican named Abraham Lincoln is only in six. What's more, where an "importance" rating is given, Andrew Saul is listed as "High" importance in most cases. If you look at the relevant category, it quickly becomes apparent that Andrew Saul is simply not as "important" as the other subjects he is rated with. Until a few moments ago, Andrew Saul was rated as "Top importance" for New York City Public Transportation; I changed it to "Low importance." Click here for a list of the other Top-importance NYCPT articles. Can the nominating FA editor have possibly looked at the contents of these categories before putting Andrew Saul in them? I bring this up because if the principal contributor is so blatantly mis-classifying the subject in relation to other articles to which it's related, it makes one wonder what other kinds of subtle POV bias might be buried in the article, that only someone familiar with Andrew Saul could know. Marc Shepherd 13:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
The principal contributor to this article may have a conflict of interest. On the featured article discussion page, the contributor wrote, "Andrew Saul is important to me, he manages my pension." I'm actually not convinced that is the only conflict, but it is a conflict nevertheless. Marc Shepherd 13:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Raul's Razor - An article is neutral if, after reading it, you cannot tell where the author's sympathies lie. An article is not neutral if, after reading it, you can tell where the author's sympathies lie.
As far as I am concerned, the COI is a small issue; and I praise MrPrada for having done the large amount of research and writing visible in the article. Nevertheless, I dispute the neutrality of the article, as it stands, and think it requires a major rewrite, by an editor who does understand the issues involved. If it acquires another major editor, and these are not fixed, the COI should go, and these stay. This is what I said at FAC:
I consider removal of the tags disruptive, at least while the FAC is active; I trust it will not happen again. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
My vacation ended yesterday so I don't have significant time this evening to delve into what was kept, and what wasn't. I sortof expected a lot of the TSP section to get chopped, which I noted in the FA nom.
I would like to inquire:
I'm glad that the COI tag is gone, I'm still a bit confused as to the tenditious editing statement, I have not reverted any edits to this article except when someone (possibly a Saul campaign staffer) created a single-purpose account to chop out anything negative a few weeks ago. I can see how the statement that the TSP is considered immune from the problems of munies would have a difficult time reaching consensus, although I would like to point out that it came from a primary source(Stephen Barr, Washington Post, who is obviously the subject-matter expert) and a U.S. Senator. As the FA-discussion continues I don't plan to insert anything until it's been discussed here, although I will try and go back to get those citations back that are now missing at the bottom. I'm glad the article is finally getting attention from some other experienced editors. MrPrada 03:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
In its current state, this article mentions Saul's Congressional candidacy in the introductory section. It then has a long section just about the race, full of glowing tributes to the "credibility" of Hall's candidacy, along with a lot of campaign minutiae. At the end of the section comes a one-sentence mention that Saul isn't running. The section has some information about his other political involvements, such as his fundraising for Bush. Most of it is about the hypothetical campaign, however, and most of it should therefore be deleted (and the section renamed). I'll attempt an edit along those lines. JamesMLane t c 21:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
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2) The lead should be trimmed, it is too long now.
3) The section 'Early career and background' should be expanded. It is too short, especially compared with the next section.
3) The section 'Federal Thrift Retirement Investment Board' is chaotically written. In addition, in the current form it is more about Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board and Thrift Savings Plan than about Andrew Saul.
4) The 'Notes' contain two errors. In addition, citation style is not consistent throughout the article. Direct web links like United Jewish Appeal Federation should be converted into inline citations.
Ruslik 09:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
This article has been nominated for Version 0.7 of the offline Wikipedia release but did not meet the standards for importance. It has been put on Wikipedia:Release_Version_Nominations/Held_nominations for further review. Please see that page for details.
This is not too far away, but the topic is not quite important enough to warrant inclusion in our selection, which is limited to the top 1% or so articles on Wikipedia. If the article makes FA status (not out of the question, with a bit of work), that would probably push it far enough to be included. Walkerma ( talk) 05:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
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Fellow Wikipedians these White House Staff pages are geting out of hand. I think we should include all the Acting people as the predecessor and successor on every page like Andrew Saul, Mike Pompeo, William Barr, Edward H. Levi, Alberto Gonzales, Michael J. Astrue, Former rep Nan Hayworth does not have the job she is in right now Member of the President's Council on Sports, Fitness, and Nutrition. a lot of gray jobs on the Political appointments by Donald Trump page thats all need to be moved over to the List of Trump administration dismissals and resignations and most of all. All the pictures from the Political appointments by Donald Trump's talk page need to be uploaded to Wikipedia. 96.36.68.29 ( talk) 05:54, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Like Corkythehornetfan seid earlyer Quote (this isn't rocket science people). 96.36.68.29 ( talk) 05:58, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
I would like to address the issue of it taking almost 6 months so far to obtain the stuff that I need to get an ID from Social Security Administration I have tried to follow everything that his online for us to do the state that we live in Arizona requires that you come in person to be able to obtain a social security card replacement. And all the offices are closed to the public but according to website and other places it officers are supposed to be open for emergency services or by appointment for an emergency service which no matter what I have tried I have never been offered an appointment for emergency services at this office I have left this go with the action that it is and it has put my family in great Jeopardy it is costing me an extremely large amount of money in my books oh and large amount of money not all people would think what I am saying or what I am bringing an issue up on is an issue to be heard or seen but I believe that there is more than enough for my issue to be raised and I need immediate action of some sort to be able to obtain my identification from DMV in Arizona and cannot obtain a card from the Social Security Administration me and my family lost everything we had over six months ago in a fire and when I said everything I mean everything IDs wallets phones everything animals we lost every last thing we had on top of that with not having this card to be able to obtain identification for myself and my wife we have also been robbed numerous times from law enforcement as well as other in the community with no way to react or take care of this because I do not have an identification card or an ID of any type because of no social security card to obtain it so I would like to know how it is that the Social Security Administration thinks they should handle this particular situation I would appreciate a reply as soon as possible if not sooner thank you and I hope this reaches the right people for this issue to be addressed it is putting a lot of people in a coma situation in an even worse situation with law enforcement and all not being able to obtain proper paperwork to you and be able to walk around in the General Public so once again I press on saying somebody please do something let me know what is going to be done and let's keep this as public as possible so others can see what is being done and what they can possibly do themselves you can contact me back at my email s t u s h e r i d a n at gmail.com I'll be more than happy to assist whoever I can at all thank you I'll see you later Usaman1966 ( talk) 16:56, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
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Couldn't believe this was previously speedied. Its said that some people are trigger happy, instead of google-happy (improving this stub took all of ten minutes).
MrPrada
00:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Nice work very nice. -- Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor ( tαlk) 20:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
As I do not want to overburden the FAC page, which is primarily for assessing FA criteria rather than specific article content, I add these comments separately here. The first thing that stood out for me was the word-for-word duplication between the section "Thrift savings plan" and its subsection "TSP funds" with the article Thrift Savings Plan. Saul is not mentioned until the 6th paragraph in the TSP section and not at all in the subsection. A biography needs to emphasize the person, not emphasize peripheral items involving the person. For example, I do not need to know, and should not know all the details of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act in the biographies of Paul Sarbanes and Michael Oxley. I won't go so far to say there is a coatrack, but I won't be surprised if someone else says so. If Saul himself (not just the organization) had a large role in shaping the current TSP and other Federal Thrift Retirement Investment Board actions, that needs to be clarified, summarized, and stated concisely. The rest needs to be trimmed or placed elsewhere; Thrift Savings Plan and other related articles could benefit from the additional citations. In other words, Saul should be present in the entire article, not only through representations of the board or the organizations he presided over. TLK 'in 05:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
This article is in eleven WikiProjects. I have never seen an article included in so many subject areas. A pretty prominent Republican named Abraham Lincoln is only in six. What's more, where an "importance" rating is given, Andrew Saul is listed as "High" importance in most cases. If you look at the relevant category, it quickly becomes apparent that Andrew Saul is simply not as "important" as the other subjects he is rated with. Until a few moments ago, Andrew Saul was rated as "Top importance" for New York City Public Transportation; I changed it to "Low importance." Click here for a list of the other Top-importance NYCPT articles. Can the nominating FA editor have possibly looked at the contents of these categories before putting Andrew Saul in them? I bring this up because if the principal contributor is so blatantly mis-classifying the subject in relation to other articles to which it's related, it makes one wonder what other kinds of subtle POV bias might be buried in the article, that only someone familiar with Andrew Saul could know. Marc Shepherd 13:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
The principal contributor to this article may have a conflict of interest. On the featured article discussion page, the contributor wrote, "Andrew Saul is important to me, he manages my pension." I'm actually not convinced that is the only conflict, but it is a conflict nevertheless. Marc Shepherd 13:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Raul's Razor - An article is neutral if, after reading it, you cannot tell where the author's sympathies lie. An article is not neutral if, after reading it, you can tell where the author's sympathies lie.
As far as I am concerned, the COI is a small issue; and I praise MrPrada for having done the large amount of research and writing visible in the article. Nevertheless, I dispute the neutrality of the article, as it stands, and think it requires a major rewrite, by an editor who does understand the issues involved. If it acquires another major editor, and these are not fixed, the COI should go, and these stay. This is what I said at FAC:
I consider removal of the tags disruptive, at least while the FAC is active; I trust it will not happen again. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
My vacation ended yesterday so I don't have significant time this evening to delve into what was kept, and what wasn't. I sortof expected a lot of the TSP section to get chopped, which I noted in the FA nom.
I would like to inquire:
I'm glad that the COI tag is gone, I'm still a bit confused as to the tenditious editing statement, I have not reverted any edits to this article except when someone (possibly a Saul campaign staffer) created a single-purpose account to chop out anything negative a few weeks ago. I can see how the statement that the TSP is considered immune from the problems of munies would have a difficult time reaching consensus, although I would like to point out that it came from a primary source(Stephen Barr, Washington Post, who is obviously the subject-matter expert) and a U.S. Senator. As the FA-discussion continues I don't plan to insert anything until it's been discussed here, although I will try and go back to get those citations back that are now missing at the bottom. I'm glad the article is finally getting attention from some other experienced editors. MrPrada 03:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
In its current state, this article mentions Saul's Congressional candidacy in the introductory section. It then has a long section just about the race, full of glowing tributes to the "credibility" of Hall's candidacy, along with a lot of campaign minutiae. At the end of the section comes a one-sentence mention that Saul isn't running. The section has some information about his other political involvements, such as his fundraising for Bush. Most of it is about the hypothetical campaign, however, and most of it should therefore be deleted (and the section renamed). I'll attempt an edit along those lines. JamesMLane t c 21:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
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Ruslik
09:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
The reasons:
1) There are two tags at the beginning of the article: NPOV and clean-up, which is too much for a supposedly good article.
2) The lead should be trimmed, it is too long now.
3) The section 'Early career and background' should be expanded. It is too short, especially compared with the next section.
3) The section 'Federal Thrift Retirement Investment Board' is chaotically written. In addition, in the current form it is more about Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board and Thrift Savings Plan than about Andrew Saul.
4) The 'Notes' contain two errors. In addition, citation style is not consistent throughout the article. Direct web links like United Jewish Appeal Federation should be converted into inline citations.
Ruslik 09:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
This article has been nominated for Version 0.7 of the offline Wikipedia release but did not meet the standards for importance. It has been put on Wikipedia:Release_Version_Nominations/Held_nominations for further review. Please see that page for details.
This is not too far away, but the topic is not quite important enough to warrant inclusion in our selection, which is limited to the top 1% or so articles on Wikipedia. If the article makes FA status (not out of the question, with a bit of work), that would probably push it far enough to be included. Walkerma ( talk) 05:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
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Fellow Wikipedians these White House Staff pages are geting out of hand. I think we should include all the Acting people as the predecessor and successor on every page like Andrew Saul, Mike Pompeo, William Barr, Edward H. Levi, Alberto Gonzales, Michael J. Astrue, Former rep Nan Hayworth does not have the job she is in right now Member of the President's Council on Sports, Fitness, and Nutrition. a lot of gray jobs on the Political appointments by Donald Trump page thats all need to be moved over to the List of Trump administration dismissals and resignations and most of all. All the pictures from the Political appointments by Donald Trump's talk page need to be uploaded to Wikipedia. 96.36.68.29 ( talk) 05:54, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Like Corkythehornetfan seid earlyer Quote (this isn't rocket science people). 96.36.68.29 ( talk) 05:58, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
I would like to address the issue of it taking almost 6 months so far to obtain the stuff that I need to get an ID from Social Security Administration I have tried to follow everything that his online for us to do the state that we live in Arizona requires that you come in person to be able to obtain a social security card replacement. And all the offices are closed to the public but according to website and other places it officers are supposed to be open for emergency services or by appointment for an emergency service which no matter what I have tried I have never been offered an appointment for emergency services at this office I have left this go with the action that it is and it has put my family in great Jeopardy it is costing me an extremely large amount of money in my books oh and large amount of money not all people would think what I am saying or what I am bringing an issue up on is an issue to be heard or seen but I believe that there is more than enough for my issue to be raised and I need immediate action of some sort to be able to obtain my identification from DMV in Arizona and cannot obtain a card from the Social Security Administration me and my family lost everything we had over six months ago in a fire and when I said everything I mean everything IDs wallets phones everything animals we lost every last thing we had on top of that with not having this card to be able to obtain identification for myself and my wife we have also been robbed numerous times from law enforcement as well as other in the community with no way to react or take care of this because I do not have an identification card or an ID of any type because of no social security card to obtain it so I would like to know how it is that the Social Security Administration thinks they should handle this particular situation I would appreciate a reply as soon as possible if not sooner thank you and I hope this reaches the right people for this issue to be addressed it is putting a lot of people in a coma situation in an even worse situation with law enforcement and all not being able to obtain proper paperwork to you and be able to walk around in the General Public so once again I press on saying somebody please do something let me know what is going to be done and let's keep this as public as possible so others can see what is being done and what they can possibly do themselves you can contact me back at my email s t u s h e r i d a n at gmail.com I'll be more than happy to assist whoever I can at all thank you I'll see you later Usaman1966 ( talk) 16:56, 23 October 2020 (UTC)