This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
That is a terrible photo of flintoff, anybody have a better one? 124.150.76.215 ( talk) 06:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the 2004 Observer article and the match report on Cricinfo.com (references 1 and 2 respectively on the page's current list), the 2 sources quote Flintoff differently after the match: the former says he said "All right for a fat lad", the latter "I played all right for a fat boy". I guess he didn't say both so does anyone have any idea which is accurate? It's not the most important thing in the world but it may as well be right if it can be confirmed. I'd probably trust Cricinfo's report at the time, of the two, which is why I chose that one when I added it to the article, anyone else have any views? Jimbow25 23:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
What's the tattoo that Freddie has on his arm. Looks like "XI" but not sure. And does anyone know the significance of it? It should probably get a mention in the trivia section.-- Ukdan999 17:55, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
On one arm, he has a 'XI' tattooed and othe other arm, he has the names of his wife and kids (big fan of Angelina Jolie, I suppose!!)
I added the succession box for the England captaincy. This was subsequently removed with a note 'not appropriate when not appointed permanently'. This would be fair enough except that I was only adding Flintoff to be consistent with other successions on the chain. Most notably Geoffrey Boycott who was only appointed after injury to Mike Brearley who then returned later. For consistencies sake either Geoffrey Boycott needs removing from the captaincy succession or Andrew Flintoff needs adding. My personal opinion is that the succession should be for test captains and if you captain England in a Test match then you should be included.
I think it ought to be reinstated - the way the ECB statement read the other day, it sounds like his appointment is permanent. Besides, it doesn't look like Vaughan is coming back does it? Istartfires 16:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Since Vaughan has been ruled out for AT LEAST six months (probably more like twelve months), it makes sense to change the captaincy box over to Flintoff. Whatever 'the rules' say about the appointment needing to be permanent before such a step is taken, I think everyone ought to take stock of the reality of the situation. I see it thus; Flintoff (barring the first test at Lords tomorrow and God forbid another injury) will be leading the England side for at least six months, maybe twelve, maybe permanently. To all intents and purposes, he is now the England captain. It is no disrespect to either Vaughan or 'the rules' to change the captaincy box over. So I have. Istartfires 16:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC) - I copied this over from the Michael Vaughan page to clear up any discrepancies.
"he is widely regarded as the best all-rounder in the modern game, rivalled only by Jacques Kallis." I think it would be better and more accurate if Flintoff was described as the best genuine allrounder in the game, because Jacques Kallis is obviously not a genuine all-rounder, and Flintoff and Kallis are REALLY different types of players. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikiwizard1 ( talk • contribs) 07:12, 17 May 2006.
As any cricket fan will tell you averages only tell you so much. Kallis is the better batsman by a distance and Flintoff the better bowler by a distance. The difference is Flintoff can win a game with either, Kallis will very rarely win you a game with the ball. Kallis simply bullies the poorer teams with his bowling to keep his average respectable, when Kallis matches Flintoff's heroics against the likes of Australia then we'll consider him on the same level, until then he can be simply considered a batsman that bowls. UncleTheOne
Can someone confirm that this edit is correct. I checked it in a book shop. From a quick glance and from the index, I found only one brother. Tintin ( talk) 12:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I've removed a couple of "humorous" references to the Fredilo incident added by 89.101.44.225. Apepper 17:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Does it need semi-protection ? Its been vandalized quite often Wildpixs 11:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please fix the 'References' section? It's become messy. The footnotes are impossible to read.
Ok, looks like I've fixed it myself. It looks ok now. Hope no one messes with it again.
I've removed a reference about the Fredalo incident during the Would Cup in which Fred was stripped off the vice-captaincy (according to the BBC, Michael Vaughan was responsible for it) but it was never confirmed by anybody. So, considering it as a 'flying' story, I decided to remove it....hope Fred's learnt his lesson.-div123
The 'Family' section says that Rachael Flintoff is expecting the couple's third child in April 2008. I haven't been surfing the net for quite a while now but I do not recall reading any auch news at all. Can someone please confirm or deny this story?? Thanks - div123. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.91.208.146 ( talk) 06:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
This article needs rewriting almost from start to finish. It is filled with unverified 'facts' and opinions on his performances that are wholly individual and irrelevant in such an article. Unfortunately, cricket isn't something that Wikipedia does at all well, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.204.65 ( talk) 15:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for that more constructive response and I apolgise for my earlier tone. I can't deny the examples you've given of opinions and omissions are poor however those sorts of problems are prevalent throughout a lot articles in the cricket section and I imagine the rest of Wikipedia as well. (I rarely edit/read outside the cricket project which may explain my defensive nature towards articles here) If you're looking for articles with major omissions what about the Clive Lloyd article or Curtly Ambrose, Bob Taylor, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad and even the aforementioned Graham Thorpe. For POV issues look at Hedley Verity, Shaun Pollock, Wally Hammond and Sachin Tendulkar. So yes I can understand your concerns about this article especially since you've pointed to specific examples but there are lots of poor articles in cricket and elsewhere I'm sure. However it's always wise to remember that Wikipedia is a volunteer service and it's a Work in progress.
On the other issue if your edits were deleted for a 'piddling discrepancy' then it would have been best to discuss that with the other editor and if this proved unsatisfactory taken it elsewhere. As someone who spends the majority of their time undoing/reverting edits I have no problem discussing my reasoning and neither should anybody else. -- Jpeeling ( talk) 22:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Whats the deal with the chips and beans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.37.187 ( talk) 00:01, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
At the young age of sixteen, Andrew moved to Lanchashire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.192.146 ( talk) 13:05, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Andrew Flintoff. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 04:59, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on Andrew Flintoff. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 07:22, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Andrew Flintoff. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 07:40, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 12:51, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
The TV series with Flintoff in a chippy van, Flintoff: Lord of the Fries, has had several names in the TV guides around the world. There isn't a good reference for series titles and episode lists complete with places and release dates. The episodes in Australia "Freddie Fries Down Under" may have been shown in the UK a month later than in Australia with a shorter title which adds to the confusion. Despite the name changes, they are all pretty much the same format. The changing names remind me of the Blackadder series which had different series titles each year. tygrus ( talk) 02:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Chaheel Riens ( talk) 15:48, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Andrew Flintoff →
Freddie Flintoff – Whilst "Andrew" is Flintoff's full & real name, he goes by the moniker "Freddie" in more areas than he does Andrew. The BBC credit him as Freddie for more than they credit him as "Andrew" - for example the "high quality BBC source"
[1] used to revert the last change is about a TV programme called "Freddie Flintoff: Living with Bulimia", not "Andrew Flintoff: Living with Bulimia". Top gear and A league of their own ("Freddie's Team") all credit him as Freddie, as does his own chippy series - "Freddie fries again" and "Freddie down under".
Yes, his name is Andrew, but his common name is Freddie. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 18:51, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
That is a terrible photo of flintoff, anybody have a better one? 124.150.76.215 ( talk) 06:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the 2004 Observer article and the match report on Cricinfo.com (references 1 and 2 respectively on the page's current list), the 2 sources quote Flintoff differently after the match: the former says he said "All right for a fat lad", the latter "I played all right for a fat boy". I guess he didn't say both so does anyone have any idea which is accurate? It's not the most important thing in the world but it may as well be right if it can be confirmed. I'd probably trust Cricinfo's report at the time, of the two, which is why I chose that one when I added it to the article, anyone else have any views? Jimbow25 23:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
What's the tattoo that Freddie has on his arm. Looks like "XI" but not sure. And does anyone know the significance of it? It should probably get a mention in the trivia section.-- Ukdan999 17:55, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
On one arm, he has a 'XI' tattooed and othe other arm, he has the names of his wife and kids (big fan of Angelina Jolie, I suppose!!)
I added the succession box for the England captaincy. This was subsequently removed with a note 'not appropriate when not appointed permanently'. This would be fair enough except that I was only adding Flintoff to be consistent with other successions on the chain. Most notably Geoffrey Boycott who was only appointed after injury to Mike Brearley who then returned later. For consistencies sake either Geoffrey Boycott needs removing from the captaincy succession or Andrew Flintoff needs adding. My personal opinion is that the succession should be for test captains and if you captain England in a Test match then you should be included.
I think it ought to be reinstated - the way the ECB statement read the other day, it sounds like his appointment is permanent. Besides, it doesn't look like Vaughan is coming back does it? Istartfires 16:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Since Vaughan has been ruled out for AT LEAST six months (probably more like twelve months), it makes sense to change the captaincy box over to Flintoff. Whatever 'the rules' say about the appointment needing to be permanent before such a step is taken, I think everyone ought to take stock of the reality of the situation. I see it thus; Flintoff (barring the first test at Lords tomorrow and God forbid another injury) will be leading the England side for at least six months, maybe twelve, maybe permanently. To all intents and purposes, he is now the England captain. It is no disrespect to either Vaughan or 'the rules' to change the captaincy box over. So I have. Istartfires 16:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC) - I copied this over from the Michael Vaughan page to clear up any discrepancies.
"he is widely regarded as the best all-rounder in the modern game, rivalled only by Jacques Kallis." I think it would be better and more accurate if Flintoff was described as the best genuine allrounder in the game, because Jacques Kallis is obviously not a genuine all-rounder, and Flintoff and Kallis are REALLY different types of players. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikiwizard1 ( talk • contribs) 07:12, 17 May 2006.
As any cricket fan will tell you averages only tell you so much. Kallis is the better batsman by a distance and Flintoff the better bowler by a distance. The difference is Flintoff can win a game with either, Kallis will very rarely win you a game with the ball. Kallis simply bullies the poorer teams with his bowling to keep his average respectable, when Kallis matches Flintoff's heroics against the likes of Australia then we'll consider him on the same level, until then he can be simply considered a batsman that bowls. UncleTheOne
Can someone confirm that this edit is correct. I checked it in a book shop. From a quick glance and from the index, I found only one brother. Tintin ( talk) 12:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I've removed a couple of "humorous" references to the Fredilo incident added by 89.101.44.225. Apepper 17:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Does it need semi-protection ? Its been vandalized quite often Wildpixs 11:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please fix the 'References' section? It's become messy. The footnotes are impossible to read.
Ok, looks like I've fixed it myself. It looks ok now. Hope no one messes with it again.
I've removed a reference about the Fredalo incident during the Would Cup in which Fred was stripped off the vice-captaincy (according to the BBC, Michael Vaughan was responsible for it) but it was never confirmed by anybody. So, considering it as a 'flying' story, I decided to remove it....hope Fred's learnt his lesson.-div123
The 'Family' section says that Rachael Flintoff is expecting the couple's third child in April 2008. I haven't been surfing the net for quite a while now but I do not recall reading any auch news at all. Can someone please confirm or deny this story?? Thanks - div123. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.91.208.146 ( talk) 06:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
This article needs rewriting almost from start to finish. It is filled with unverified 'facts' and opinions on his performances that are wholly individual and irrelevant in such an article. Unfortunately, cricket isn't something that Wikipedia does at all well, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.204.65 ( talk) 15:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for that more constructive response and I apolgise for my earlier tone. I can't deny the examples you've given of opinions and omissions are poor however those sorts of problems are prevalent throughout a lot articles in the cricket section and I imagine the rest of Wikipedia as well. (I rarely edit/read outside the cricket project which may explain my defensive nature towards articles here) If you're looking for articles with major omissions what about the Clive Lloyd article or Curtly Ambrose, Bob Taylor, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad and even the aforementioned Graham Thorpe. For POV issues look at Hedley Verity, Shaun Pollock, Wally Hammond and Sachin Tendulkar. So yes I can understand your concerns about this article especially since you've pointed to specific examples but there are lots of poor articles in cricket and elsewhere I'm sure. However it's always wise to remember that Wikipedia is a volunteer service and it's a Work in progress.
On the other issue if your edits were deleted for a 'piddling discrepancy' then it would have been best to discuss that with the other editor and if this proved unsatisfactory taken it elsewhere. As someone who spends the majority of their time undoing/reverting edits I have no problem discussing my reasoning and neither should anybody else. -- Jpeeling ( talk) 22:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Whats the deal with the chips and beans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.37.187 ( talk) 00:01, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
At the young age of sixteen, Andrew moved to Lanchashire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.192.146 ( talk) 13:05, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Andrew Flintoff. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 04:59, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on Andrew Flintoff. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 07:22, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Andrew Flintoff. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 07:40, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 12:51, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
The TV series with Flintoff in a chippy van, Flintoff: Lord of the Fries, has had several names in the TV guides around the world. There isn't a good reference for series titles and episode lists complete with places and release dates. The episodes in Australia "Freddie Fries Down Under" may have been shown in the UK a month later than in Australia with a shorter title which adds to the confusion. Despite the name changes, they are all pretty much the same format. The changing names remind me of the Blackadder series which had different series titles each year. tygrus ( talk) 02:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Chaheel Riens ( talk) 15:48, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Andrew Flintoff →
Freddie Flintoff – Whilst "Andrew" is Flintoff's full & real name, he goes by the moniker "Freddie" in more areas than he does Andrew. The BBC credit him as Freddie for more than they credit him as "Andrew" - for example the "high quality BBC source"
[1] used to revert the last change is about a TV programme called "Freddie Flintoff: Living with Bulimia", not "Andrew Flintoff: Living with Bulimia". Top gear and A league of their own ("Freddie's Team") all credit him as Freddie, as does his own chippy series - "Freddie fries again" and "Freddie down under".
Yes, his name is Andrew, but his common name is Freddie. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 18:51, 16 April 2021 (UTC)